Re: [Emc-users] 4 ton project?

2016-01-22 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/21/2016 06:45 PM, lloyd wilson wrote:
> I just went to look at a '80s Bridgeport VMC with Heidenhain controller
> and Fanuc yellow cap servos (didn't get inside a cabinet for closer
> investigation - yet). The beast has a tool changer and a bad controller.
> Anyone have experience with that particular configuration? Particularly,
> what servo amps were used and what encoder technology - I remember
> discussions about Fanuc hardware that suggested that specialized
> interface hardware is necessary. What about tool changer technology - I
> assume a PLC process in the LCNC environment would be sufficient to get
> that running.
>
>
Yellow cap had standard quadrature ABZ differential 
encoders.  Not sure what they'd have for servo drives.  
Usually, Heidenhain was all Heidenhain, and Fanuc was all 
Fanuc.  But, at that vintage, you may NOT want to reuse any 
of the electronics.  Depending on the vintage, if Fanuc, it 
could have phase control SCR amps that require really GOOD 
3-phase power, no phase converters need apply.  Somewhere 
around '84 they went to transistor amps that basically ran 
off DC, so they could be adapted to single-phase supply.

Fanuc systems used the CNC control to generate the synthetic 
tach signal the velocity servo amps needed.  I have no idea 
how that might work on the Heidenhain/Fanuc combo.  (SOME 
Yellow Cap motors still have the DC tach built into them.)

A number of VMCs with toolchangers have been successfully 
set up, nearly all using Classic Ladder.  The most recent I 
know of was the Burgmaster at TxRx labs in Houston.

Jon
Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] 4 ton project?

2016-01-21 Thread Todd Zuercher
I can't say for certain without knowing more about exactly what you have but 
Fanuc of that era should use ordinary encoders, fed directly to the control, 
the control then sends a synthetic analog tacho singnal and analog control 
signals back to the servo amps, which are fairly ordinary DC servo amps and 
motors.

- Original Message -
From: "lloyd wilson" 
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Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:45:48 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] 4 ton project?

I just went to look at a '80s Bridgeport VMC with Heidenhain controller 
and Fanuc yellow cap servos (didn't get inside a cabinet for closer 
investigation - yet). The beast has a tool changer and a bad controller. 
Anyone have experience with that particular configuration? Particularly, 
what servo amps were used and what encoder technology - I remember 
discussions about Fanuc hardware that suggested that specialized 
interface hardware is necessary. What about tool changer technology - I 
assume a PLC process in the LCNC environment would be sufficient to get 
that running.

It's probably just a passing fancy, but oh my it's a temptation.

Thanks

-ldw

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[Emc-users] 4 ton project?

2016-01-21 Thread lloyd wilson
I just went to look at a '80s Bridgeport VMC with Heidenhain controller 
and Fanuc yellow cap servos (didn't get inside a cabinet for closer 
investigation - yet). The beast has a tool changer and a bad controller. 
Anyone have experience with that particular configuration? Particularly, 
what servo amps were used and what encoder technology - I remember 
discussions about Fanuc hardware that suggested that specialized 
interface hardware is necessary. What about tool changer technology - I 
assume a PLC process in the LCNC environment would be sufficient to get 
that running.

It's probably just a passing fancy, but oh my it's a temptation.

Thanks

-ldw

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