Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Igor, How much are you asking for the plasma table? How wide is it (outside dimensions)? I've got an enclosed car trailer thats approximately 8' wide inside and Chicago (right?) isn't TOO far a drive from me. Best, Stephen On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
On 8/30/2012 12:22 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: ... Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. ... Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon Granted my experience is now more than 10 years old because I began to refuse to accept software that required a USB dongle to operate, but the software that was being so carefully protected often turned out to be immutable crap. Changing to LinuxCNC gets you freedom. Besides, getting another USB dongle means you now have another dongle to lose or break:-) Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
On Thursday 30 August 2012 10:29:43 Kent A. Reed did opine: On 8/30/2012 12:22 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: ... Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. ... Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon Granted my experience is now more than 10 years old because I began to refuse to accept software that required a USB dongle to operate, but the software that was being so carefully protected often turned out to be immutable crap. Changing to LinuxCNC gets you freedom. Besides, getting another USB dongle means you now have another dongle to lose or break:-) Regards, Kent I'm with Kent here. The last time we had a dongle protected software in a position of importance at the tv station, it was an A/B Roll editor from Ring Video Systems, ran on an amiga and had some sort of transparent parport dongle. Supposedly you could still use the parport but we never did. You don't print video to anything but tapes or hard drives. The dongles were crap, failing in a few months it never took less than a month to get another. When the 3rd one failed, they had no more had to go run down the guy that wrote the code and confiscate his. I'm thinking that a contract coder was all he/she ever was at that point and it was time to bail. But at the time, they were the only game in town. At that point I demanded a dongle free version of it, so they went back to the coder to get it. That was an instant Autocrash. 3 times, which took about a week each time around that loop. In the meantime I had sent the original code to a gent in .de land who knew a bit about amiga's, and he sent it back the next day all fixed up. I called RVS after their 3rd try failed and informed them that we had cracked the program and that it was running just fine, and dared them to take _any_ legal action because we had documented the dog pony show they were and would counter sue for heavy duty civil damages if we ever heard or saw a thing. I think they must have crawled back under their rock because I never heard of them again. No more little 1 advs in the trade papers either. When I am getting screwed, the whole world WILL hear about it. Or as much as has an internet connection... Its the same when I find something that Just Works(TM). Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! He who attacks the fundamentals of the American broadcasting industry attacks democracy itself. -- William S. Paley, chairman of CBS -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Igor, Is your table for sale? Dave On 8/30/2012 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.comwrote: Granted my experience is now more than 10 years old because I began to refuse to accept software that required a USB dongle to operate, but the software that was being so carefully protected often turned out to be immutable crap. Changing to LinuxCNC gets you freedom. Amen! Amen! I only paid for software once, 10 years ago, it was a software to create a legal will and a total waste of money. :) I never, ever pay for software. i -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Yes, it is for sale indeed. Did you see the video? I got it to move with a manual interface. Here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSJB5rh4NE Contact me if interested. There was one more person here who expressed interest. Igor On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Igor, Is your table for sale? Dave On 8/30/2012 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.comwrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
HI Igor Thanks for the shipping info. I will make a couple of call and get back to you with a As-is offer later today. Its a crap shoot because of the control. I know the EMC folk think you just hookup a computer and away you go. Its just not that simple. Tale a look at my web site to see what i build. Thanks Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.comwrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Let me know, thanks. I am slightly tempted to retrofit it myself and make some money from plasma cutting, but I am sure that it is not entirely simple. It took me a while to retrofit my Bridgeport interact. Big effort, great payback in case of the Bridgeport. Igor On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chuck ch...@talever.com wrote: HI Igor Thanks for the shipping info. I will make a couple of call and get back to you with a As-is offer later today. Its a crap shoot because of the control. I know the EMC folk think you just hookup a computer and away you go. Its just not that simple. Tale a look at my web site to see what i build. Thanks Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Igor, I know you have been buying and selling equipment for a little while now. Do people actually ask you if you will ship stuff like this for free?? Just curious. Thanks, Dave On 8/30/2012 1:53 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngsjcyoung...@gmail.comwrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Igor, I know you have been buying and selling equipment for a little while now. Do people actually ask you if you will ship stuff like this for free?? Shockingly, yes, once every so often someone says I thought that shipping was free or I did not realize that it costs $200 to ship this $25 file cabinet to Washington State. What is worse, ebay allows they to pay for items and put in 0 for shipping, so I have to sort out the mess after the payment was made. i Just curious. Thanks, Dave On 8/30/2012 1:53 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngsjcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elsonel...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Hi Igor Thought about it too but an new operational 5X10 single head can be bought new for about 12K I am looking at it to use as a back up for my in house cutting I have a 10 x 30 4 torch oxy/fuel Plasma cutter I built about three years ago. But sometime I have small parts that would fit well on a small machine. Cost of New Control Shipping labor and other unknown problem getting it 100% make it a risky machine. I am waiting for a call back on a partial load from your area. As soon as I get a price I will make an offer. Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Chuck ch...@talever.com; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Let me know, thanks. I am slightly tempted to retrofit it myself and make some money from plasma cutting, but I am sure that it is not entirely simple. It took me a while to retrofit my Bridgeport interact. Big effort, great payback in case of the Bridgeport. Igor On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chuck ch...@talever.com wrote: HI Igor Thanks for the shipping info. I will make a couple of call and get back to you with a As-is offer later today. Its a crap shoot because of the control. I know the EMC folk think you just hookup a computer and away you go. Its just not that simple. Tale a look at my web site to see what i build. Thanks Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
OK, let me know, thanks On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Chuck ch...@talever.com wrote: Hi Igor Thought about it too but an new operational 5X10 single head can be bought new for about 12K I am looking at it to use as a back up for my in house cutting I have a 10 x 30 4 torch oxy/fuel Plasma cutter I built about three years ago. But sometime I have small parts that would fit well on a small machine. Cost of New Control Shipping labor and other unknown problem getting it 100% make it a risky machine. I am waiting for a call back on a partial load from your area. As soon as I get a price I will make an offer. Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Chuck ch...@talever.com; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Let me know, thanks. I am slightly tempted to retrofit it myself and make some money from plasma cutting, but I am sure that it is not entirely simple. It took me a while to retrofit my Bridgeport interact. Big effort, great payback in case of the Bridgeport. Igor On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chuck ch...@talever.com wrote: HI Igor Thanks for the shipping info. I will make a couple of call and get back to you with a As-is offer later today. Its a crap shoot because of the control. I know the EMC folk think you just hookup a computer and away you go. Its just not that simple. Tale a look at my web site to see what i build. Thanks Chuck From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics Shipping wise, I am all for whatever. I can give a shipping quote, or the buyer can arrange pick-up, any way I do not make money on freight. Obviously, I do not ship for free and the buyer pays for shipping in any case. i On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: igor I have a friend thats an owner operator goes to chicago once or twice weekly he is in upstate ny I dont know where its going but your prefix suggests you are in illinois. might get a better rate On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, a flatbed quote that I got for a partial load is $1,851. We may need to wait a couple of days for a partial load on a flatbed to get this rate. Feel free to arrange your own shipping if you want. Please let me know asap as to what you think about it. 630-235-6603 Igor On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists
[Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Igor, you certainly checked this before, but anyway: there is an italian company by the name of CR electronic. They are developing vehicle electronics and specialize on repairing control systems. They still seem to be in business. See http://www.crelectronic.it/ Peter Igor Chudov schrieb: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
I think that it is a different company, no? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Igor, you certainly checked this before, but anyway: there is an italian company by the name of CR electronic. They are developing vehicle electronics and specialize on repairing control systems. They still seem to be in business. See http://www.crelectronic.it/ Peter Igor Chudov schrieb: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
I got it to move itself about in manual mode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSJB5rh4NE On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Plasma cutting table by Italian defunct company CR electronics
Igor Chudov wrote: I have this CNC plasma cutting table here: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AxkcI8flh4Y/UD5SJqLph1I/Bq4/onBU0q1ZvuU/s720/20120829_123101.jpg Supposedly, what is wrong with it is that someone stole a laptop with a USB key that made this table work. CR Electronic is an Italian company and they are out of business. I am wondering, realistically, what is the quickest way to bring this to life. Plasma cutting is not rocket science. X, Y and torch on/off. Maybe torch height control, but many older machines did not have it. What motors and drives does it have? If those can be isolated, it might be easier to do a LinuxCNC retrofit than try to obtain a copy of the software and license key. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
