Re: [Emc-users] Soft/hard limits & homing (was: Re: emc2.3.0beta2)

2009-03-29 Thread John Thornton


On 29 Mar 2009 at 9:43, Rob Jansen wrote:

> > All I want is to simply tell it where X0 Y0 Z0 are in relation to
> mill
> > stock,
> Don't confuse limit and home switches. Limit switches prevent damage
> to 
> the machine (but should never be hit in real life).
> Home switches determine where your machine's zero location is.

I "trip" my Z limit switch every time I turn my mill on. The I set my Z. I 
don't have home 
switches on my mill. I guess the use of home and limit switches varies with the 
design
of the machine and the intended use.

John

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Re: [Emc-users] Soft/hard limits & homing (was: Re: emc2.3.0beta2)

2009-03-29 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:43:48 +0200, you wrote:

>Steve Blackmore wrote:
>> Softlimits? I don't use them. I have limit switches, I don't use them
>> either, I think since the eighties I've hit them twice. They are simply
>> there to stop the machine ramming the end of the ballscrews ;)

>Don't confuse limit and home switches. Limit switches prevent damage to 
>the machine (but should never be hit in real life).
>Home switches determine where your machine's zero location is.

I'm not :)

Why should "home switches" necessarily define where your machines zero
location is? They should be able to be set at any arbitrary numbers you
like, as long as the controller knows where they are and can make the
relationship between them, the work coordinates and the machine limits.
It doesn't matter a jot what the figures are, as long as the machine can
go there ;)

For all intents and purposes, machine coordinates are irrelevant to an
operator. They are a machine setup value that work in the background, in
most commercial shops the only person who ever needs to access them is
the repair man. 

Steve Blackmore
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[Emc-users] Soft/hard limits & homing (was: Re: emc2.3.0beta2)

2009-03-29 Thread Rob Jansen
Steve Blackmore wrote:
> Softlimits? I don't use them. I have limit switches, I don't use them
> either, I think since the eighties I've hit them twice. They are simply
> there to stop the machine ramming the end of the ballscrews ;)
>
> I don't directly use "machine coordinates" either, they are meaningless
> to me as an operator. I, and many others, are only interested in work
> coordinates. What the Controller thinks they are is irrelevant to me, as
> long as I've told it where the work zero's are that should be
> sufficient.
>
> All I want is to simply tell it where X0 Y0 Z0 are in relation to mill
> stock,
Don't confuse limit and home switches. Limit switches prevent damage to 
the machine (but should never be hit in real life).
Home switches determine where your machine's zero location is.

Machine coordinates are very useful for me. From my machine's zero I 
know exactly where the top-left position of my mill stock is, the center 
of my 4th axis and the left bottom position of the bottom left stop for 
large foam/wood blocks. And machine coordinates also determine where the 
tool changer is located.
I plan to add more mill stocks so I can link multiple programs to make 
multiple parts without having to stop in between to insert a new blank 
(and do homing).

So machine coordinates are very useful. One company I know does a lot of 
production of the same parts and the rely fully on machine coordinates 
in order to know where the blanks are located on their palleting system. 
They start of with a large block of aluminum in which a number of plugs 
for the palleting system are mounted, then they mill one side of the 
block, mount the half finished workpiece in a countermold (which is 
placed on the palleting system) and mill the other side.
Here the zero point of the workpiece is solely determined by using 
machine coordinates and making multiple of the same parts would be 
hardly possible without it.

Regards,

Rob

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