Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-09-12 Thread Michael Dark 
*Gentlemen,*

*Yes I have that mb and all the bits coming since last week.*
*Not exactly sure who owns this tag but:*
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
> http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto


*Uhmm, ok LOL*

*Best RG*

*mic*






On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, andy pugh wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:18:28 +0100
> > From: andy pugh 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer
> >
> > On 11 September 2015 at 22:08, Michael Dark  wrote:
> >> *All I know is under the latest and ~greatest I see software*
> >>
> >> *stepping performance going backward. At least it's going*
> >>
> >> *somewhere.*
> >
> > This may be related to the way that CPUs, kernels and Hardware are going.
>
> Not really going backwards if your hardware is up-to date
>
> If you use old hardware, old kernels are often better, if you use new
> hardware
> very good performance is possible with new MBs and new kernels:
>
> Heres a current MB running Preempt-RT (RTAI is even better, in the 5 usec
> region)
>
> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
>
>
>
> >
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> > If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-09-11 Thread Peter C. Wallace 
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, andy pugh wrote:

> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:18:28 +0100
> From: andy pugh 
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer
> 
> On 11 September 2015 at 22:08, Michael Dark  wrote:
>> *All I know is under the latest and ~greatest I see software*
>>
>> *stepping performance going backward. At least it's going*
>>
>> *somewhere.*
>
> This may be related to the way that CPUs, kernels and Hardware are going.

Not really going backwards if your hardware is up-to date

If you use old hardware, old kernels are often better, if you use new hardware
very good performance is possible with new MBs and new kernels:

Heres a current MB running Preempt-RT (RTAI is even better, in the 5 usec 
region)

http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png



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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-09-11 Thread andy pugh 
On 11 September 2015 at 22:08, Michael Dark  wrote:
> *All I know is under the latest and ~greatest I see software*
>
> *stepping performance going backward. At least it's going*
>
> *somewhere.*

This may be related to the way that CPUs, kernels and Hardware are going.

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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-09-11 Thread Michael Dark 
*Hi,*

*I have no clue what happened to emc2 and the code.*

*All I know is under the latest and ~greatest I see software*

*stepping performance going backward. At least it's going*

*somewhere.*


*BTW, any veteran developer's still out there?*


*Write a book about this code, I'll buy it!*


*forwardakins*

*regard,*

*mic*



On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Michael Dark  wrote:

>
>
> *Hello,This machine (xpst700r/geforce 256 agp/3 axis mill) worked*
>
> *so well with emc2.4 under Ubuntu 8.04 *
>
> *But with Linuxcnc 2.7 under Debian Wheezy it has this weird*
>
> *realtime delay check error on cycle start.*
>
>
> *I can have 4 glxgears and iceweasel downloading huge graphic*
>
> *while machine is homing and then jog at max speed without*
>
>
>
> *a delay check error. But as soon as I cycle start on the splash code,*
>
>
> *get a delay check error (without all that other stuff running of course).*
>
> *The only change I've made to the machine config since 2009 is*
>
>
> *to the main hal file commenting out "loadrt  probe_parport".*
>
> *Obviously I need to change something else.*
>
>
> *Please kindly assist if you can.*
>
> *Best Regards,*
>
> *mic*
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Michael Dark  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *Yes Hiya,When I said cntrl-alt did nada that wasn't entirely correct.*
>>
>> *Going from 1 to 3 and then to 7 allowed me to barely make out*
>>
>>
>> *the last line in the console boot. "Waiting for /dev to be fully
>> populated" through the color ghosting.*
>>
>> *Ah, now I add "nomodeset" to the kernel line and boot to black screen*
>>
>>
>> *with das happy blinking cursor.*
>>
>>
>> *And cntrl-alt-1 gives me console login!*
>>
>> *Then as per LinuxCNC troubleshooting wiki, create and copy *
>>
>>
>> *xorg.conf file. I took a peek in nano but didn't modify it.*
>>
>> *Issuing 'startx' and hard drive begins pounding,*
>>
>> *soon I have X 1024x768 with configure panel for first use!*
>>
>>
>> *So now for updating then see how latency and Axis look.*
>>
>> *If all goes well there then bring my machine files over and*
>>
>> *give it a go, though I'm guessing they will be broken to some*
>>
>>
>> *~extent.*
>>
>> *Best Regards,*
>>
>> *mic*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Jon Elson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/31/2015 09:33 AM, Michael Dark wrote:
>>> > *Yes,*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Thanks so much for the reply Jon.*
>>> I'm not sure this is the exact problem you are having, but
>>> it sounds familiar, I have seen this before.
>>> A google search on "ubuntu 10.04 black screen" turns up a
>>> lot of reports and some instructions on what to do.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
>>>
>>> https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
>>> >
>>> But, maybe this is something different.  Line 529 of your
>>> log shows
>>> [91.142] (EE) [drm] failed to open device
>>>
>>> and line 1596 shows:
>>> [91.871] (WW) VESA(0): No valid modes left. Trying less
>>> strict filter...
>>> #
>>> which looks pretty serious, but then it tries again.  But,
>>> with all this failure, first the Nouveau driver then the
>>> VESA driver, there must be something seriously wrong.
>>> #
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-09-10 Thread Michael Dark 
*Hello,This machine (xpst700r/geforce 256 agp/3 axis mill) worked*

*so well with emc2.4 under Ubuntu 8.04 *

*But with Linuxcnc 2.7 under Debian Wheezy it has this weird*

*realtime delay check error on cycle start.*


*I can have 4 glxgears and iceweasel downloading huge graphic*

*while machine is homing and then jog at max speed without*



*a delay check error. But as soon as I cycle start on the splash code,*


*get a delay check error (without all that other stuff running of course).*

*The only change I've made to the machine config since 2009 is*


*to the main hal file commenting out "loadrt  probe_parport".*

*Obviously I need to change something else.*


*Please kindly assist if you can.*

*Best Regards,*

*mic*


On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Michael Dark  wrote:

>
>
> *Yes Hiya,When I said cntrl-alt did nada that wasn't entirely correct.*
>
> *Going from 1 to 3 and then to 7 allowed me to barely make out*
>
>
> *the last line in the console boot. "Waiting for /dev to be fully
> populated" through the color ghosting.*
>
> *Ah, now I add "nomodeset" to the kernel line and boot to black screen*
>
>
> *with das happy blinking cursor.*
>
>
> *And cntrl-alt-1 gives me console login!*
>
> *Then as per LinuxCNC troubleshooting wiki, create and copy *
>
>
> *xorg.conf file. I took a peek in nano but didn't modify it.*
>
> *Issuing 'startx' and hard drive begins pounding,*
>
> *soon I have X 1024x768 with configure panel for first use!*
>
>
> *So now for updating then see how latency and Axis look.*
>
> *If all goes well there then bring my machine files over and*
>
> *give it a go, though I'm guessing they will be broken to some*
>
>
> *~extent.*
>
> *Best Regards,*
>
> *mic*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Jon Elson 
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/31/2015 09:33 AM, Michael Dark wrote:
>> > *Yes,*
>> >
>> >
>> > *Thanks so much for the reply Jon.*
>> I'm not sure this is the exact problem you are having, but
>> it sounds familiar, I have seen this before.
>> A google search on "ubuntu 10.04 black screen" turns up a
>> lot of reports and some instructions on what to do.
>>
>>
>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
>>
>> https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
>> >
>> But, maybe this is something different.  Line 529 of your
>> log shows
>> [91.142] (EE) [drm] failed to open device
>>
>> and line 1596 shows:
>> [91.871] (WW) VESA(0): No valid modes left. Trying less
>> strict filter...
>> #
>> which looks pretty serious, but then it tries again.  But,
>> with all this failure, first the Nouveau driver then the
>> VESA driver, there must be something seriously wrong.
>> #
>> Jon
>>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-08-31 Thread Michael Dark 
*Yes Hiya,When I said cntrl-alt did nada that wasn't entirely correct.*

*Going from 1 to 3 and then to 7 allowed me to barely make out*


*the last line in the console boot. "Waiting for /dev to be fully
populated" through the color ghosting.*

*Ah, now I add "nomodeset" to the kernel line and boot to black screen*


*with das happy blinking cursor.*


*And cntrl-alt-1 gives me console login!*

*Then as per LinuxCNC troubleshooting wiki, create and copy *


*xorg.conf file. I took a peek in nano but didn't modify it.*

*Issuing 'startx' and hard drive begins pounding,*

*soon I have X 1024x768 with configure panel for first use!*


*So now for updating then see how latency and Axis look.*

*If all goes well there then bring my machine files over and*

*give it a go, though I'm guessing they will be broken to some*


*~extent.*

*Best Regards,*

*mic*





On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 08/31/2015 09:33 AM, Michael Dark wrote:
> > *Yes,*
> >
> >
> > *Thanks so much for the reply Jon.*
> I'm not sure this is the exact problem you are having, but
> it sounds familiar, I have seen this before.
> A google search on "ubuntu 10.04 black screen" turns up a
> lot of reports and some instructions on what to do.
>
>
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
>
> https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
> >
> But, maybe this is something different.  Line 529 of your
> log shows
> [91.142] (EE) [drm] failed to open device
>
> and line 1596 shows:
> [91.871] (WW) VESA(0): No valid modes left. Trying less
> strict filter...
> #
> which looks pretty serious, but then it tries again.  But,
> with all this failure, first the Nouveau driver then the
> VESA driver, there must be something seriously wrong.
> #
> Jon
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-08-31 Thread Jon Elson 
On 08/31/2015 09:33 AM, Michael Dark wrote:
> *Yes,*
>
>
> *Thanks so much for the reply Jon.*
I'm not sure this is the exact problem you are having, but 
it sounds familiar, I have seen this before.
A google search on "ubuntu 10.04 black screen" turns up a 
lot of reports and some instructions on what to do.

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
>
But, maybe this is something different.  Line 529 of your 
log shows
[91.142] (EE) [drm] failed to open device

and line 1596 shows:
[91.871] (WW) VESA(0): No valid modes left. Trying less 
strict filter...
#
which looks pretty serious, but then it tries again.  But, 
with all this failure, first the Nouveau driver then the 
VESA driver, there must be something seriously wrong.
#
Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-08-31 Thread Michael Dark 
*Yes,*


*Thanks so much for the reply Jon.*

*gdm can't find any screens I think.*

*I can boot the LiveCD FailSafe and finally get*

*a desktop. From there I copied Xorg.0.logs from*

*both the live and the installed and posted them*

*here *


*Problem is I don't know what to modify on the installed*


*system to get something on the screen over there.*


*I do see in console when booting something about /usr/lib/nvidia/legacy*,
not able to access directory.*

*Anyway, thanks again for trying to help out*

*Regards,*

*mic*

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 08/30/2015 07:52 PM, Michael Dark wrote:
> >
> > But as my OS is frozen, and I'm still alive, I think, and I'd like to
> move
> > forward...
> > Having display problem with  NV10 GEFORCE 256 SDR
> >
> > So I zsync Mr. Radek live 2.6 debian wheezy and burned to dvd and
> booting...
> > First Live option gives video state undefined, ie blue BSOD...
> > Second Live option fail safe, video works fine.
> > So I decide if fail safe works then I'll install the OS and tweak it
> L8ter,
> > right?
> >
> > Well I did the graphical OS install, which had perfect graphics BTW.
> > And let it install grub to my first HD...
> >
> > I know my way around the shop ok, but please someone,how can an OS
> install
> > itself graphically and then boot to a graphically undefined state?
> > cntrl-alt-f1 etc nada cntrl-alt-f7 nada
> >
> >
> Ubuntu 10.04 had one major area of problems, and that was
> graphics drivers.  Very generic devices worked OK, but all
> sorts of slightly unusual graphics cards caused headaches.
> If you do a bit of googling on Ubuntu 10.04 and the GeForce
> card, you will likely find lots of moaning, and a few tricks
> that somebody used to make it work.  Usually adding
> something the the grub boot line to alter the graphical mode
> the system starts up in.
>
> First, hold down the shift key as soon as the machine starts
> booting.  This will get you into the grub command line.
> Then, from your google searching, hopefully you have a video
> mode number to add to the command line.  The e key lets you
> edit the boot command line, to add additional parameters to it.
>
> Jon
>
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Re: [Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-08-30 Thread Jon Elson 
On 08/30/2015 07:52 PM, Michael Dark wrote:
>
> But as my OS is frozen, and I'm still alive, I think, and I'd like to move
> forward...
> Having display problem with  NV10 GEFORCE 256 SDR
>
> So I zsync Mr. Radek live 2.6 debian wheezy and burned to dvd and booting...
> First Live option gives video state undefined, ie blue BSOD...
> Second Live option fail safe, video works fine.
> So I decide if fail safe works then I'll install the OS and tweak it L8ter,
> right?
>
> Well I did the graphical OS install, which had perfect graphics BTW.
> And let it install grub to my first HD...
>
> I know my way around the shop ok, but please someone,how can an OS install
> itself graphically and then boot to a graphically undefined state?
> cntrl-alt-f1 etc nada cntrl-alt-f7 nada
>
>
Ubuntu 10.04 had one major area of problems, and that was 
graphics drivers.  Very generic devices worked OK, but all 
sorts of slightly unusual graphics cards caused headaches.  
If you do a bit of googling on Ubuntu 10.04 and the GeForce 
card, you will likely find lots of moaning, and a few tricks 
that somebody used to make it work.  Usually adding 
something the the grub boot line to alter the graphical mode 
the system starts up in.

First, hold down the shift key as soon as the machine starts 
booting.  This will get you into the grub command line.
Then, from your google searching, hopefully you have a video 
mode number to add to the command line.  The e key lets you 
edit the boot command line, to add additional parameters to it.

Jon



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[Emc-users] trying to get out of the freezer

2015-08-30 Thread Michael Dark 
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
I could sure use some help getting out of the freezer here.
I've been running emc2.4.6 on ubuntu 8.04 no worries since, well a long
time...

But as my OS is frozen, and I'm still alive, I think, and I'd like to move
forward...
Having display problem with  NV10 GEFORCE 256 SDR

So I zsync Mr. Radek live 2.6 debian wheezy and burned to dvd and booting...
First Live option gives video state undefined, ie blue BSOD...
Second Live option fail safe, video works fine.
So I decide if fail safe works then I'll install the OS and tweak it L8ter,
right?

Well I did the graphical OS install, which had perfect graphics BTW.
And let it install grub to my first HD...

I know my way around the shop ok, but please someone,how can an OS install
itself graphically and then boot to a graphically undefined state?
cntrl-alt-f1 etc nada cntrl-alt-f7 nada

Ah maybe, too old, too old LOL
Thanks for any and all pointers

Best Regards,
mic
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