Re: [-empyre-] dealing with the present
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear C, as you address me by name, it behooves me to ... and so forth. I see you yourself travel light, as a single letter by which to be addressed. On 24/03/17 02:21, csa...@umbc.edu wrote: This list may be preparing us for a past as prologue Alan has written on the list blocking extra-epistolary detournements, etc. I would only like to say that the preparation of a past as prologue describes the foundation of the monolith of spectacular culture in general. The future isn't what it used to be; it is exactly what used to be. Best, Simon ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] dealing with media
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Most email lists don't allow attachments; they're set up for text communication. Since I've been guest moderating this month, there's only one message that was blocked, and it was spam. It's easy to put up urls of images, etc. I'm on a number of successful email lists (and run two of them) and there's been no problem at all. Lists have their own trajectories, however; Jon Marshall, an anthro- pologist on Cybermind, wrote an account of Cybermind, Living on Cybermind, one of the lists I co-moderate; it might give you a better understanding of their phenomenology. Most lists I'm on are based on discussion in depth, including empyre of course; it's one of the few places online that in-depth analysis can occur, outside of blogs, and blogs are clumsy in a sense; with email lists, the posts/discussions come to you. Finally, empyre's been wildly successful; the experiment this time was, among other things, to open up the discussion to everyone, without guest presenters. ... Thanks, Alan On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, csa...@umbc.edu wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Simon Why is the conversation here ?far and few? you ask? Perhaps because the message does not (only) reach its intended destination. Perhaps it reaches no one. This list blocks all of my posts with attached pictures, sound files, and and detournment (perhaps because that breaks the constraints and protocols of the list). Far and few between each post is almost nostalgic in its epistolary model of communication. Here I am writing to you ? addressed to you by name // and the others (unknown to me) are functioning like surveillance (silent auditors who may never read these posts ? who can keep up with the overflow ? not even the NSA). And, I imagine someone reading the posts and archiving and organizing them. Unknown to the senders. For more than a decade I had no TV, only emergent-internet (The Well ? who here was on that precursor of the internet?) and dial-up service (for 2 decades), and no cell phone (for 5 decades). Phone machines (a radical innovation) and letters with the copy shop and coffee house essential to the archive. Mailings were everything (see my Networked Art ? for how robust those networks were). We had video machines, networks, and electronic music/media. It just was not tagged, mined, and surveilled successfully. This list may be preparing us for a past as prologue. To avoid both monolithic spectacle, and a return to the other forms of e-say writing ? C On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Psychologically, how do we deal with this - FBI has information indicating Trump associates communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate release of information damaging to Clinton campaign, officials told CNN. [www.cnn.com] Or this - https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/information-war-begun/2017/03/22 And how can we involve empyre subscribers in the discussion? I appreciate everyone who has contributed to this discussion on empyre. But I wonder why, when discussions - noisy and often off-track - on Facebook, can continue with high-speed ferocity for a seemingly endless amount of time / number of posts - where here, where there's opportunity for reflection (admittedly without the cleverness and grandstanding), posts are far and few between? Comments appreciated! - Alan, thanks - ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu == new cd from Public Eyesore - LIMIT - http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3&pit=138 email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/un.txt == ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] dealing with media
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Simon Why is the conversation here “far and few” you ask? Perhaps because the message does not (only) reach its intended destination. Perhaps it reaches no one. This list blocks all of my posts with attached pictures, sound files, and and detournment (perhaps because that breaks the constraints and protocols of the list). Far and few between each post is almost nostalgic in its epistolary model of communication. Here I am writing to you — addressed to you by name // and the others (unknown to me) are functioning like surveillance (silent auditors who may never read these posts — who can keep up with the overflow — not even the NSA). And, I imagine someone reading the posts and archiving and organizing them. Unknown to the senders. For more than a decade I had no TV, only emergent-internet (The Well — who here was on that precursor of the internet?) and dial-up service (for 2 decades), and no cell phone (for 5 decades). Phone machines (a radical innovation) and letters with the copy shop and coffee house essential to the archive. Mailings were everything (see my Networked Art — for how robust those networks were). We had video machines, networks, and electronic music/media. It just was not tagged, mined, and surveilled successfully. This list may be preparing us for a past as prologue. To avoid both monolithic spectacle, and a return to the other forms of e-say writing … C On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Psychologically, how do we deal with this - FBI has information indicating Trump associates communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate release of information damaging to Clinton campaign, officials told CNN. [www.cnn.com] Or this - https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/information-war-begun/2017/03/22 And how can we involve empyre subscribers in the discussion? I appreciate everyone who has contributed to this discussion on empyre. But I wonder why, when discussions - noisy and often off-track - on Facebook, can continue with high-speed ferocity for a seemingly endless amount of time / number of posts - where here, where there's opportunity for reflection (admittedly without the cleverness and grandstanding), posts are far and few between? Comments appreciated! - Alan, thanks - ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] the "conversation"
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear Empyreans, Iagree, Simon, that the /debunking of wiretapping/ by FBI director James Comeyand NSA director Mike Rogers is an important move against the whole fake newsthing. I don’t suppose I’m the only one here concerned about the threat of a soclled Goebbels or /big lie/ effecttaking hold. Like mass hysteria or collective obsessional behavior—but perhapsin(cluding) virtual reality platforms. It may be that all ships of state havetwo starboard sides and excessively large poop decks. /Epistemic bubbles/ laterpopping when punctured by extra linguistic things. Agree too on Alan’s commenton the importance of failure (and especially glad to get those book titles).Belief/Deception: You never know. Shelley in ‘A defence of poetry’: ‘[Poets’]language is vitally metaphorical; that is, it marks the before unapprehendedrelations of things, and perpetuates their apprehension, until the words whichrepresent them, become through time signs for portions or classes of thoughtsinstead of pictures of integral thoughts; and then if no new poets should ariseto create afresh the associations which have become thus disorganized, languagewill be dead to all the nobler purposes of human intercourse […]. In theinfancy of society every author is necessarily a poet, because language itselfis poetry; and to be a poet is to apprehend the true and the beautiful, in aword the good which exists in the relation, subsisting first between existenceand perception, and secondly between perception and expression.’ Best wishes,Williamhttp://tinyurl.com/pkemmhk___ empyre forum empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
