Re: [-empyre-] -empyre- pyres and family romances

[Ana Valdés]

--empyre- soft-skinned space--I read it but I didn’t think it was a matter to continue the discussion
further. Sorry if I didn’t continue the conversation!
(If I and you are talking about the same post :)
You can post it back channel to my own address :)
Cheers
Ana

ons 14 feb. 2018 kl. 19:29 skrev Murat Nemet-Nejat :

> --empyre- soft-skinned space--
> Ana, I had posted a response t your post of a few days ago. I wonder if it
> got lost with your own post.
>
> Ciao,
> Murat
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Ana Valdés  wrote:
>
>> --empyre- soft-skinned space--
>
>
>> Dear all I didn’t want to seem blasé or disappointed when I posted about
>> my deception or disappointing for the lack of answers. As an old -empyrean
>> :) I do remember months of intense exchange and months of silence or
>> tiredness. But it’s as life with some friends or colleagues you keep in
>> touch with others you grow apart.
>> As a writer without colleagues my work is a solitary one for me
>> virtuality has been a way to substitute presence.
>> I am happy Lauren found Stumble Upon enjoyable the only time I was
>> obliged to leave a forum it was when Howard Rheingold managed Electric
>> Minds. It was hundreds of posts per week and everyone was expected to post
>> long and elaborated reflexions. It was too tough for me, in despite for
>> being an avid chatter and writer.
>> Ana
>>
>> tis 13 feb. 2018 kl. 12:24 skrev Johannes Birringer <
>> johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk>:
>>
>>> --empyre- soft-skinned space--
>>>
>>> dear all
>>>
>>> I am also confused about the less than moderate comments received, and I
>>> had already exchanged a puzzled letter with Simon Taylor down at Waiheke
>>> Island, who I felt was insulted, and feeling ashamed a bit that I am/I was
>>> not more outspoken to express my discomfort with this list that had given
>>> great impetus, many times, and also caused disappointment at other times.
>>>
>>> That was really what I tried to say, I was not advocating passivity at
>>> all, dear Renate, I was suggesting (and yes, I am older and perhaps, like
>>> Ana, tired of lists and social media, or like Simon wonder, @youtoo, about
>>> the interesting and puzzling rejections that are floating, around the
>>> field, before 7th Seal, or death’s chess player interrupts as it happened
>>> last week, unpoetically but terminally; having wanted, in my last post, to
>>> pay my respects and gratitude to Melinda and Christina and the earlier
>>> artistic and vibrant intellectual exchanges here and on other lists that I
>>> like (un-moderated, like Netbehavior, without the need of “editorial
>>> boards”, a need never brought forward for discussion here to us who own
>>> this list and ought to have a say whether we want it) – so not having
>>> actually wanted to say I am overburdened by emails, or having no more time
>>> for this – on the contrary:
>>>
>>> I was trying to ask, others here, whether we can eventually stop fooling
>>> ourselves, about the 5775 or 2175 followers or subscribers or reactors not
>>> reacting, if in fact this month only a handful of subscribers bothered to
>>> write, what nine, or twelve?  so why ask about a listserv and how to
>>> justify itself for a “new era,” when Simon’s or Christina’s brilliant posts
>>> simply end up in an empty chamber, without echo. If Ana suggest that she
>>> has given up waiting for reactions.  If there is not need for echo,
>>> resonance, other than self-congratulation, no need for sharper critique and
>>> honesty, then I’d say, forget the era, it’s over, you (the pyre) were
>>> rejected, it burnt up. (And yes, a four-year lag is fine, for me, the
>>> letter I received was personal and never needed to be public.)
>>>
>>> respectfully, and without regret,
>>> thanking many and all here with whom I corresponded
>>> over the years on discussions that moved me,
>>> not backwards into a lost era of flaneurs, but forward,.
>>>
>>> Johannes Birringer
>>> dap-lab
>>>
>>> 
>>> [Simon schreibt]
>>>
>>> I am confused about your introduction to my post: I am verbose? I am
>>>  also to the point. I am incomprehensible? I am also direct. I am
>>>  powerfully political. I am nonsensical. Poetic.
>>>
>>>  ... I write to you as a recent PhD. in the job market, transcendent uber
>>>  alles. (Perhaps there is a market for the qualities you list? Please let
>>>  me know.)
>>> [...]
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Re: [-empyre-] ListServ

[melinda rackham]

--empyre- soft-skinned space--Thank you for posting your perspective Sarah,
 It’s great to read.
 Can I ask how you research for information when u have to complete assignments 
or projects at uni?
- is it through publications in print/ online?
- discussions with peers in your field of study?
 -asking more senior engineers questions ?

Melinda

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> On 15 Feb 2018, at 5:03 am, Sarah Jeon  wrote:
> 
> --empyre- soft-skinned space--
> Dear Empyre users,
> 
> I’m one of Renate’s students, a freshman in Engineering. 
> This is my first time using empyre, but also my first time being involved in 
> the list serve community. Reading these posts, I especially sensed the 
> generation difference between the 21st generation and the older generations. 
> 
> Computers were entering the market in 1977 and becoming common during the 
> 1980s. Around that time ListServ arose.  ListServ first began in 1986 by an 
> engineering software program to automate the management of email lists. It 
> provided functions that made it possible for users to search list archives 
> for messages about various topics. ListServ was something many people turned 
> to, because it was their way of social networking back in the old days. 
> Because computers were new to many people and ListServ was a way for many 
> people to network online for the first time, I believe that those people 
> still have an attachment with ListServ to this day. However, I believe it is 
> much more difficult for the newer generation to start using it, because it is 
> often underrated due to other social networking options that are much more 
> entertaining and relatable to them. The newer generation seeks for instant 
> gratification, short writings, pictures and videos. And since LIstServs often 
> consist of long posts, teens tend to get scared to participate. I enjoyed 
> exploring empyre, but I can most definitely see how this network will be 
> inconvenient for many of the younger generation. The younger generation 
> usually only use Listserv when they want updates from their favorite shopping 
> website or clubs they are in. Otherwise, if they were signed up for multiple 
> Listservs, they would get millions of emails daily hiding important emails. 
> 
> I hope the older generation keeps the ListServ community thriving.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sarah 
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