Re: Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:24:21AM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > Items discussed (rough minutes!): […] > > These all look like technical issues/questions and I don’t think the > engagement team is the right place to discuss them. desktop-devel-list > seems more appropriate, do you mind reposting that there? I purposely did not. It should be up to Ubuntu desktop team to email d-d-l and they already mentioned they'd contact maintainers. For engagement: 1) They're planning to reach out to their community to discuss what they'd like to see; this is quite nice 2) they'll be switching as of 17.10 already To be clear: I shared my minutes/notes, not theirs. Still waiting access. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting
Hi, There was a public IRC meeting where Ubuntu desktop team discussed the switch to GNOME. It'll be followed by many more meetings. IRC log: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/04/18/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t15:30 Etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/n08SOl5xiA (requires Ubuntu one account with access to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad .. I don't have access yet) Items discussed (rough minutes!): - GNOME default as per 17.10 (work starts NOW/asap); likely with Wayland - start with as little patches as possible, though do that by discussing patch by patch what to drop - use feedback to determine if/what extensions to include (dashtodock etc). They'll check if they can commit for the maintenance of whatever they depend on before depending on it. - need decision lightdm vs gdm (might impact their guest session support + they don't like the lingering gdm session) - email client discussion: doubts about Evolution maintenance (amount of people) - GTK4.x for Nautilus 3.26 they rather not have - doubts about GTK3.x and GTK4.x in same process - maybe some kind of guide for people switching (they'll also consult their OEMs) - OEM workflows need checking - themes (their Unity one + various others) likely cannot be used as-is; e.g. black borders, lack of shadows around windows, etc. Also wondering if it'll become a burden in case gtk+4.x - Flatpak and themes issue (currently Flatpak does not reuse system theme; they're not committing to Flatpak btw I think) Shared by aruiz to the team: - plan for Pinos / screensharing for 3.26 though might be 3.28 - fractional scaling for 3.26 under Wayland They're still going to have various more meetings. Also they'll reach out to various maintainers. Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Release marketing for GNOME 3.22
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:23:25AM +0100, Allan Day wrote: > GNOME 3.22 is scheduled for release on 21 September - that's three weeks > from now. The main things we need to have for the release are: The systemd --user dependency might need to be explained. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Release marketing for GNOME 3.22
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:23:37PM -0700, Nuritzi Sanchez wrote: > Let's use most of our time during the Engagement meeting this Friday to > talk about release marketing and social media. > > *If anyone is interested in joining and talking about release marketing and > social media, please join us this Friday, September 2nd at 17:00 UTC. * FYI, I often have plans at that time, so usually will not be able to make it. I'll try to attend if I can. Can we also setup something which shows up in my calendar on my phone? Bugzilla provides a feed where I see their meetings. This might not be free software based though (e.g. something from Google). -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
GUADEC 2016 pictures
Hi, The GUADEC2016 Flickr group is pretty empty ( https://www.flickr.com/groups/guadec2016/). Could we maybe request more people to upload their pictures? I was thinking maybe for a news item on www.guadec.org as well as on Planet GNOME? If anyone has party pictures they'd want to share with Flickr/me, that would be nice too. Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Fwd: Gnome release notes
I think release-notes is discussed on this ml right? We could setup a bugzilla product if wanted.. don't think we normally do though. -- Regards, Olav ---BeginMessage--- Hi, is there a module on bugzilla for release notes? There are some mistakes in the latest release notes for 3.16: The additional of weather information and birthday reminders is planned for the future. - addition Besides, I'd not include this line. When it's done it's done and included in the forthcoming release notes. What if it never surfaces for whatever reason? Learn about the different languages in which GNOME 3.14 is available - 3.16 GNOME 3.16; introduces a number of new features and enhancements for those working with GNOME technologies. - ;? ___ release-t...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team Release-team lurker? Do NOT participate in discussions.---End Message--- ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Very confused by wiki.gnome.org/Events
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 07:32:36PM -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So for advertising hackfests we have: http://wiki.gnome.org/Events and http://wiki.gnome.org/Events/Hackfests Doesn't exist. I see someone created a hackfest under that, that should be moved. and http://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests We really need to rmove these duplicates. Every time there is a bifurcation, we have confusion. I would like to consolidate to http://wiki.gnome.org/Events They're not the same. A conference with a GNOME preference is not the same as a hackfest. I'd like to know when hackfests occur, so I watch for changes to the Hackfests page. That's a lot different from the various conferences organized by others. IMO there are 3 types: - stuff we host on our own: - doing (hackfest) - more passive (conference) - stuff we (might) attend Having them all mixed together is IMO not right. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: 3.16 Release Promotion
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 02:36:31PM +, Allan Day wrote: I'm happy to work on release notes, but would love some help. Also, we need volunteers for the press release and for posting on social media. Anyone interested? I'm ok with Google+. I don't have permission for any other social media. Think the audience also differs a bit, so messaging should probably change to reflect that. I can do others, but would need to have permission + quick explanation of the type of audience. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: The Children Of GNOME
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:23:37AM +, ikey wrote: I was wondering what thoughts people had as to centralizing communication between the Children of GNOME? Off the top of my head that includes Budgie (thus Evolve OS), Pantheon ( thus Elementary OS), MATE and even Cinnamon (more long distance) I usually leave this up to the various teams. For MATE, we've given them ownership and git accounts so they can maintain various modules that we've dropped. They're able to upload things on download.gnome.org. I usually don't see any problems having people use GNOME infrastructure. There's an requirement list somewhere. Basically: free software, GTK+ related, maintained. That's more than just communication. Being closer on infra usually eases communication though. So yeah. Budgie is a proud GNOME brat and it seems to me that throughout our implementations, we're not all talking to all of our siblings. A simple example could be something as trivial as porting something from one API to another, relevant to all of the kids. Others may be more advanced, such as Wayland efforts, again of interest to all of us. This depends on the preferred method of communication. If the various teams want to communicate, then we can e.g. setup a mailing list on mail.gnome.org. If some prefer forums, then this won't work. For distributors of GNOME, we announce big changes to distributor-list. Might be beneficial to watch that one? Budgie and Pantheon likely keep closer to the latest upstream versions of the GNOME software, so speaking on behalf of only Budgie right now I imagine there are situations we would run into, that we could give a heads up - here's what we went and fixed to the other projects. This sounds a little bit like what GNOME uses distributor-list for. More of a 7:20AM ramble, but I hope others would be interested in more combined efforts and centralizing discussions, as opposed to the existing tribal knowledge and whatnot. :) Reusing infrastructure and GNOME facilitating things, there's a lot of leeway. Just as long as it is still considered separate projects. BTW: https://evolve-os.com/download/ md5 is not secure. You want sha25sum. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Invitation to openSUSE conference!
On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 02:36:54PM +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote: openSuSE Conference in the Hague would be a good opportunity to represent GNOME. Is anyone available from 1-4 may 2015? The most obvious choice would be me, but want to travel that time. Other options in .nl: Reinout (translator), Vincent (translator), Patrick (sysadmin). Anyone have time and want to do represent GNOME @ openSuSE conference? -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: FOSDEM GTK+ brochure
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 07:10:14PM +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote: (btw, my printer at home cannot print correctly the document, it's probably due to bad drivers, but it's maybe also due to the leaflet LaTeX class. So ideally a test should be done beforehand, just in case.) I did a test print just now. It prints fine. The printer isn't perfect, it again is a little bit dirty (so you see some marks on part of the print). Setting reminder for myself: actual size, paper source by PDF, both sides on long edge. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: FOSDEM GTK+ brochure
On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 05:03:39PM +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 04:24:05PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: If needed I can print this and e.g. bring it to beer event. I usually arrive only after 12.00 on Sat so better to handover a day before ;) I live near Brussels, so I'll arrive Saturday morning. If there's no other options just tell me and it'll print a few. It would be good to know how many we usually hand out. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: FOSDEM GTK+ brochure
On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 03:48:35PM +0100, Sébastien Wilmet wrote: I've finished an initial version: https://people.gnome.org/~swilmet/gtk-brochure.pdf https://github.com/swilmet/gtk-brochure What do you think? Looks good as first version. I think it needs a little bit of work. For instance: | GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project. However, the | licensing terms The However, is not needed. Then there are various abbreviations that changed their meaning AFAIK. GTK+ does not stand for Gimp ToolKit anymore. Would be good to fact check. The integrated debugger seems missing from a first glance. If needed I can print this and e.g. bring it to beer event. I usually arrive only after 12.00 on Sat so better to handover a day before ;) -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Builder fundraiser launched
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 01:50:48PM +0100, Oliver Propst wrote: Christian Hegert have just his fundraiser [1] for Builder [2], we should support this effort. I'm thinking that the obvious way for us to do that is for those who have access to the gnome.org twitter account to keep a close eye on social media and retweet relevant messages around the campaign. Cool, I wanted to ask if it is ok to reshare this on the GNOME Google Plus page. It seems totally obvious that it is the right thing to do and usually I don't ask but as this is more about asking for money it seems a bit wrong for me to decide on my own. People ok with sharing? When is a good time with New Years, etc? CC'ing board. Post I want to reshare: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104653208253044284320/posts/X1zunx7wXBZ -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Going to do an IAMA on Reddit
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:44:00PM +1300, Michael Heyns wrote: I don't interact much on this mailing list and I apologise if I am speaking out of place but I would just like to voice my support for this initiative. I am surprised you're wondering if it is ok to express your opinion, especially for your email -- all signal, no noise. Please do not hesitate to share your opinion or contribute in any way. There's a reason the mailing list is public! -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Engagement Hackfest NOT AT Boston Summit
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 04:05:32PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:04:46PM +0200, Oliver Propst wrote: So while it seems that there will no Engagement Hackfest at this year edition of the Summit, LibrePlanet 2015 have just been announced [1]. Maybe we can have a Engagement Hackfest in connection to that event. I'd like to attend an Engagement Hackfest / meetup! I didn't really follow this thread as Boston Summit sounded too expensive. With the switch to Europe, depending on price and time available I'd like to attend. I'll just decide if I can based on what is decided by the rest (if I cannot attend this time, I'll go another time). Seems LibrePlanet is Boston/USA. Oh well ;) -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Adding about page to git.gnome.org repositories
Hi, Currently we a lot of homepages for various modules on wiki.gnome.org. André Klapper said we should use the doap files way more, less differences between things. Basically auto determine and auto update things based on the doap files. I've currently made two (unannounced except r-t; also not fully ready yet!) changes: 1 Put the programming-language under Owner (unfortunately cannot rename that column ☹) 2a Removed the old GNOME2 categories as allowed category 2b Added Core, Core Apps, Apps categories 2c Moved a bunch of modules into those categories (this is unfinished and some are in the wrong category) 3 Enabled stats (so you can see who commits most per repository) I'd like the following as well: 4 Automatic about page: - Based on the DOAP file description, mailing lists, bugzilla link, weblinks, developer names (no email, for that there's bugzilla), screenshots, programming languages it is written in - Maybe only if enough interesting fields are in the doap file - Eventually auto link to latest tarball releases so tarball release needs to trigger a recreation of the about page #4 might totally replicate the things in the Wiki. Further, I have no idea how to nicely show this. Especially once automated. Thoughts? -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Adding about page to git.gnome.org repositories
On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 01:24:18PM +0200, Allan Day wrote: Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: ... I've currently made two (unannounced except r-t; also not fully ready yet!) changes: ... 4 Automatic about page: - Based on the DOAP file description, mailing lists, bugzilla link, weblinks, developer names (no email, for that there's bugzilla), screenshots, programming languages it is written in - Maybe only if enough interesting fields are in the doap file - Eventually auto link to latest tarball releases so tarball release needs to trigger a recreation of the about page ... This all sounds awesome. #4 might totally replicate the things in the Wiki. Further, I have no idea how to nicely show this. Especially once automated. Thoughts? I think the key question is whether we want a separate page or web-site that lists our modules (by moduleset). We previously had projects.gnome.org, and that was retired because it didn't get a huge amount of attention, and because our own focus tends to be on the wiki. Release team used to list these per GNOME release. See e.g. https://wiki.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen First priority is ensuring that git.gnome.org is showing the categories correctly. This will take a bit of time to sort out the details. This as we also have dependencies on git.gnome.org. This should either be added to Core or maybe added in a Core deps or something. I need to discuss with r-t members (there is already some discussion). I also want something to ensure that we don't ever have mismatches between what we release and the doap files. For that I'm planning to expand our release-team scripts and add a cross check in there. It already has some checks. I ran it yesterday and it seems we overlooked some of the output as it already warns about a few things. Thinking in terms of objectives, my personal priority for us as a project is to have a clearly identified moduleset listing that our contributors are exposed to. Another issue with a dedicated page or Totally agree. You have two things: 1. The current moduleset 2. Historic modulesets (what is in GNOME 3.8) Latter is very annoying. I think #1 is very important. #2 can maybe be partly manual and slightly less integrated. site that lists projects is that it would likely be separate from the regular workflows of contributors. One of the issues with projects.gnome.org was that people didn't use it a huge amount - since we're mostly on the wiki, Bugzilla or git.gnome.org anyway. So, my suggestion would be to: 1. Ensure that Bugzilla and git.gnome.org are sorted according to the modulesets - so that contributors are exposed to the modulesets within their typical workflows, and to avoid creating yet another website. I'll work on Bugzilla as well. Each time you tackle another thing the details are annoying. Regarding Bugzilla: 1. The git link at the moment is totally unreliable (it just does a git.gnome.org/browse/$BUGZILLA_PRODUCT_NAME 2. Multiple doap files might point to the same Bugzilla product 3. Could be that these doap files have different categories 4. I don't want to touch the Bugzilla code, just focus first on ensuring the categories are right 5. There way to show things on Bugzilla might require changes in the doap files (e.g. additional categories, etc) Because of that I first want to get git.gnome.org right and only then fix Bugzilla, otherwise I go mad :-P. But it is part of the plan. 2. Use this data in the various development websites, so they are more interconnected. Each of the product pages in Bugzilla points to the relevant git module, but it doesn't link to mailing lists. Likewise, the summary page for each module on git.gnome.org could have outgoing links to Bugzilla product pages, mailing lists, or wiki pages. What I want with this about page generated from doap is the following: http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/ That's cgit (code behind https://git.gnome.org/browse/) upstream. We could auto generate this from the doap files rather easily. This about feature in cgit can even do subpages: http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/faq However, that quickly becomes messy: I don't want random HTML on git.gnome.org and lots of other potential issues (too much to write down for now). DOAP spec allows a lot btw: https://github.com/edumbill/doap/blob/master/schema/doap.rdf It has a specific thing for a wiki link. So the auto generated about page would be a slightly nicer than just a boring list of links. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: 3.12 Press Release, news story quote
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 08:26:39PM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Looks like we'll need to get togehter tomorrow, Mathias has released GNOME 3.12.0 stable. :) To all: that was just an automated mail to r-t that mclasen is responsible to release 3.12.0 -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: FreeBSD work
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 04:00:30PM +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 02/18/2014 03:53 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: There is some FreeBSD work going on. I think it includes a continuous build system and so on. There is a strong sense that GNOME is pushing systemd, while actually it just makes things easy for us. We should make clear that: - people are working on FreeBSD - these people are Linux developers (e.g. first time they've installed FreeBSD) Do you have a url? https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Jhbuild/FreeBSD https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2014-February/msg00036.html http://i.imgur.com/DeP6r1U.png We should coordinate with Ryan. -- Regards, Olav ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
