Re: [guadec-list] Registration for GUADEC 2019 is now open!
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I also noticed that the "free" registration option went away. Is that > on purpose? If you have registration at no charge, how about calling it "gratis", to help people recognize the difference between that and free/libre? This is a small change, it is clear, and it helps make the distinction clear too. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: GNOME ASIA logo competition
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Luckily, the full and corresponding source code is available. I think, > however, what you're asking is for is a pointer in a format that is > machine readable by LibreJS. Exactly. To investigate whether all the JS code in a page is actually free is a lot of work. Expecting each user to investigate this question for each page is not a workable approach. What is workable is for the site developers to indicate the licensing and source in a clear way for each script. Then we can automate the job for the users by means of LibreJS. > I had a look at that, it seems that the implementation of Web Labels > table: > a) doesn't support wildcarding or regexes > b) requires a physical link to be added to every page rather than > fetching from a known location. Perhaps it would be good to add those features. However, there may be nontechnical reasons not to do that -- we need to study that question. I will ask the LibreJS developers to study it with me. However, the discussion will take time, and implementation would take time too. Since the logo competition has a deadline, and this involves one page or a few pages, I suggest that you make the necessary small changes in the site now. I understand the reasons to minimize divergence from upstream, but "minimize" does not mean "absolutely reject". Right now, it's necessary. There is another immediate practical fix: make a simple page of HTML which shows the logos, and link to it from the existing page saying "If the logo images do not appear, go _there_." It won't be elegant but it will do the job. It won't introduce any divergence from the upstream models -- it will have no relation to them. Freedom isn't gratis -- sometimes it takes work. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: GNOME ASIA logo competition
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > All JavaScript served on that page comes from GNOME hosted servers and > it is all MIT licensed, as is the entirety of GitLab CE, which is what > we're running. It is possible to fix the problem by adding a machine-recognizable license notice for the appropriate license at the top of the pertinent pages, plus a source code pointer for each page. See https://gnu.org/software/librejs/free-your-javascript.html for documentation. The source pointers are needed because these pages contain compiled code. (More precisely, minified -- but that is a kind of compilation.) It is ok to use minified code, but it needs to come with the corresponding source code. The term "MIT license" is ambiguous -- it stands for either the X11 license or the Expat license. You can tell which by looking at the actual license text in the source and comparing with those two entries in https://gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html. The license notice should say which specific license. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: GNOME ASIA logo competition
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There are 29 logos competing with each other and you can vote for your 3 > favorites by leaving a comment here: > https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Events/GNOMEAsia/issues/46 I am sad to report that this page seems to require nonfree Javascript code. Looking at the page with LibreJS to protect me from nonfree Javascript code, I don't see any of the logos. Would you please post them so that they can be seen in the Free World? Please do not make running a nonfree program a precondition for participating in some Gnome activities. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: GNOME 3.26 Release Parties
1. How do you pay money to Transferwise in order to send it? 2. Would you like to check whether a person can use Transferwise without the person's running nonfree software? I am concerned that its web site may send nonfree software to the user's browder and require the user to run it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: GNOME 3.26 Release Parties
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I use TransferWise _a lot_ and I couldn't recommend it enough. I think > the Foundation should use it. What does that do? Is it free software? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: The Goal of Gnome
The aim of Gnome is to be a graphic desktop for the GNU operating system. That's the purpose for which we launched Gnome. There is no hard and fast limit for what kinds of programs a Unix-like operating system can contain. (The first GNU Chess came out around 1989.) Likewise, a desktop can contain all sorts of graphical packages. There is no precise boundary for what _can_ be included. But there are essential things that _must_ be included. A Unix-like system has to have a C library, and its desktop has to contain a toolkit library such as GTK+. The desktop would be sort of pitiful if it did not contain a file navigator, system control panels, etc. Naturally, Gnome has them. However, it wouldn't make sense for non-graphic, non-desktop programs to be included in Gnome. It would be more natural to classify them elsewhere. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: The Goal of Gnome
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Since a similar question arises for the GNU system as a whole, our experience might be pertinent to discuss here. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Typo in Release Notes
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > Wayland is for the Linux kernel, not GNU/Linux. OT: It's impossible for me to see that the second paragraph is a quote by somebody else while the first paragraph (probably?) isn't. Why do you find this difficult? The indentation indicates text that is cited. Does your mail reader delete or alter indentation? I think there are some that do so. Would you mind using an email application that uses correct quoting, Indicating citations with indentation is correct as far as I know. Why do you think it is incorrect? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Typo in Release Notes
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. I am against changing the release notes at this point, to avoid more work for translators. This is important -- and the work involved is tiny. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Typo in Release Notes
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Wayland is for the Linux kernel, not GNU/Linux. The text in https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/ says "on Linux". The word "on" is used in this way to refer to a platform, not just a kernel. Thus, most readers will not understand this the way you intend. They will think you're talking about the GNU/Linux system, which they don't distinguish clearly from Linux. To make sure everyone understands it as you meant it, please change it to "with the kernel, Linux". That will make the intended meaning fully clear and no one will misunderstand. Would you please ack? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
