Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}
- Original Message -
From: Yuko Katabami ykata...@redhat.com
To: Moti Asayag masa...@redhat.com
Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:08:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}
On 08/12/2013 05:26 PM, Yuko Katabami wrote:
On 08/12/2013 05:23 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Yuko Katabamiykata...@redhat.com
To: Moti Asayagmasa...@redhat.com
Cc:engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:03:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}
On 08/12/2013 04:53 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Yuko Katabamiykata...@redhat.com
To:engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28:05 AM
Subject: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}
Hi all,
I would like to ask for your help again with the following questions:
File: AppErrors
Resource ID: ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_VNIC_PROFILE_IN_USE
Strings: Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several ${entities}
(${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}) are using this VM network
interface
profile:
${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE}
- Please remove it from all ${entities} that are using it and try
again.
Question:
Is ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER} representing the number of
entities using the VNIC profile?
Yes.
Is it always greater than 1 or could it be 1 in some cases?
It can be 1 or greater.
Is ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE} representing the name(s) of entities
using
the the VNIC profile?
Yes.
Here are 2 examples for the error when the vnic profile is used by one
or
more vms:
A vnic profile used by a single entity:
Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.
Several virtual machines (1) are using this VM network interface
profile:
vm1
- Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
again.
A vnic profile used by a two entities:
Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.
Several virtual machines (2) are using this VM network interface
profile:
vm1,
vm2
- Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
again.
Hi Moti,
Thank you very much for your answer with actual examples. It is very
helpful.
In my language, I can translate this string in a way which works whether
the entity is single or plural, but I am not sure about other supported
locales.
I will share this with other translators and if it is problematic, I
will get back to you via this mailing list.
Please note that there are several messages that share the same format:
ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_NETWORK_IN_USE=Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several
${entities} (${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK_COUNTER}) are using this logical
network:\n${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK}\n - Please remove it from all
${entities} that are using it and try again.
ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_PROVIDER_NETWORKS_USED=Cannot ${action} ${type}.
Several external networks (${NETWORK_NAMES_COUNTER}) are being used by
virtual machines and/or templates:\n${NETWORK_NAMES}\n - Please resolve
the external networks usage first and try again.
Thank you Moti for this extra information.
I will also pass this onto other translators.
Very much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Yuko
Hi Moti,
I have discussed with other translators and confirmed that all those
three strings in the same format are problematic for localization.
The current format only works if the entity is plural.
In the example (with single entity) you have given:
*
**Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.**
_Several_ **virtual machine**_s_**(1) **_are_**using this VM network
interface profile:**
**vm1**
**- Please remove it from **_all_**__**virtual machine**_s_**that are
using it and try again.*
1) It has the word several and all preceding the entity. Those
adjectives do not work with a singular noun in all languages, and it
grammatically wrong in English as well.
2) ${entities} is shown always plural even it is singular Virtual
Machines (1) - this is not correct.
3) Verb are should only be used when the nominative is plural
We are wondering if the English strings (all three) can be changed to be
grammatically correct.
Is there a way they can be changed to comply to both singular and plural form ?
Or there is no escape from separating into 2 messages?
I'd rather the first option if possible.
Could you open a bug so we could keep track on it ?
(or perhaps separate strings for singular and plural?)
Kind regards,
Yuko
Thank you again for your help.
Kind regards,
Yuko
Thank you,
Yuko
--
Regards,
Yuko Katabami (?)
Technical Translator
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Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}
On 08/15/2013 01:16 AM, Moti Asayag
wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Yuko Katabami" ykata...@redhat.com
To: "Moti Asayag" masa...@redhat.com
Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:08:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
On 08/12/2013 05:26 PM, Yuko Katabami wrote:
On 08/12/2013 05:23 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Yuko Katabami"ykata...@redhat.com
To: "Moti Asayag"masa...@redhat.com
Cc:engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:03:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
"${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
On 08/12/2013 04:53 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Yuko Katabami"ykata...@redhat.com
To:engine-devel@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28:05 AM
Subject: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
"${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
Hi all,
I would like to ask for your help again with the following questions:
File: AppErrors
Resource ID: ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_VNIC_PROFILE_IN_USE
Strings: Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several ${entities}
(${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}) are using this VM network
interface
profile:
${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE}
- Please remove it from all ${entities} that are using it and try
again.
Question:
Is "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}" representing the number of
entities using the VNIC profile?
Yes.
Is it always greater than 1 or could it be 1 in some cases?
It can be 1 or greater.
Is ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE} representing the name(s) of entities
using
the the VNIC profile?
Yes.
Here are 2 examples for the error when the vnic profile is used by one
or
more vms:
A vnic profile used by a single entity:
Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.
Several virtual machines (1) are using this VM network interface
profile:
vm1
- Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
again.
A vnic profile used by a two entities:
Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.
Several virtual machines (2) are using this VM network interface
profile:
vm1,
vm2
- Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
again.
Hi Moti,
Thank you very much for your answer with actual examples. It is very
helpful.
In my language, I can translate this string in a way which works whether
the entity is single or plural, but I am not sure about other supported
locales.
I will share this with other translators and if it is problematic, I
will get back to you via this mailing list.
Please note that there are several messages that share the same format:
ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_NETWORK_IN_USE=Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several
${entities} (${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK_COUNTER}) are using this logical
network:\n${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK}\n - Please remove it from all
${entities} that are using it and try again.
ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_PROVIDER_NETWORKS_USED=Cannot ${action} ${type}.
Several external networks (${NETWORK_NAMES_COUNTER}) are being used by
virtual machines and/or templates:\n${NETWORK_NAMES}\n - Please resolve
the external networks usage first and try again.
Thank you Moti for this extra information.
I will also pass this onto other translators.
Very much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Yuko
Hi Moti,
I have discussed with other translators and confirmed that all those
three strings in the same format are problematic for localization.
The current format only works if the entity is plural.
In the example (with single entity) you have given:
*
**Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
profile.**
_Several_ **virtual machine**_s_**(1) **_are_**using this VM network
interface profile:**
**vm1**
**- Please remove it from **_all_**__**virtual machine**_s_**that are
using it and try again.*
1) It has the word "several" and "all" preceding the entity. Those
adjectives do not work with a singular noun in all languages, and it
grammatically wrong in English as well.
2) ${entities} is shown always plural even it is singular "Virtual
Machines (1)" - this is not correct.
3) Verb "are" should only be used when the nominative is plural
We are wondering if the English strings (all three) can be changed to be
grammatically correct.
Is there a way they can be changed to comply to both singular and plural form ?
Or there is no escape from separating into 2 messages?
