Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Nico, > Should the manual preferences be kept when switching to convenient and > back to manually OR is it good enough that switching to convenient switches > back to defaults and then when you switch to manually you have to do your > changes again? (a lot easier to implement) I vote for the first attempt. Users should not do this often but merely once (or thrice to try out). But there should be a warning, if manual settings are overwritten, ideally by checking if there really are non-default settings. I fear that this is not trivial to implement but is absolute necessary in terms of the improved user experience you're trying to achieve. > Do we have a function to recursively disable elements? ?? Olav - -- The Enigmail Project - OpenPGP Email Security For Mozilla Applications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Dies ist eine elektronische Signatur - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQGcBAEBAwAGBQJTaJaFAAoJEKGX32tq4e9WuyUL/i+ZjziBGbGjXXumMOQnl6tT lvLXtGYMzVXu6YBLSK75Gl9Y3qWCM38gCD85ggv/5VKa07E2bSpkSFn/Lwtq3sA8 uo8S5JyXKQu/BztDz4SaDUZuFtSw4cQSCeGhWvty4J5IiI8UVSy8bJwf/s2YGvgz y4bbwRgciVQgRm4NevjWPZE/kZBpU/qHjnIIcCPJBXzaiEJAuWZZyQOMCsdBQKS8 z83hzYQxLp7w8x4oTDaMfkohO31WRHUjiWuFPnRNkjXrLUV9yLdZQ/QI8AYG3yOd x6RrUI7x09YRwpX0lyL8WSWYQAMbL9HvqQjFc8GMVLseEBLL1UX1eDphrs5Qf0dX C6j60gZo7JUOkRrvn3OFGlAn07It1Rj4qk6KDvVHb+QI1ClTxP+k1/6X5xAMq/I4 JscXXL8UO8KrPSLhYnqTIliEvZ23GvdwupumfhOj9HdLMCyc/aKlQ9vitcx5dKC1 0CRsDDkbRAhzbRSYN24D/rV2FcWOctkGqLBCaTSIMw== =A3rC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 see the attached new dialog (roughly implemented in the pushed branch AutoSendEncrypted) Questions: - - Should the manual preferences be kept when switching to convenient and back to manually OR is it good enough that switching to convenient switches back to defaults and then when you switch to manually you have to do your changes again? (a lot easier to implement) - - Do we have a function to recursively disables elements? - -- Nico -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTaARMAAoJEN75/ICKHETQ+FEP/3AZ+dy65J2J2z4i1mFBLec+ DFW9FXx8jq1k8/3zVca22uI+ny/Kx3hgjUYq2o29wquDVIP02rjZVV4OIebtohZ/ qajgqkyod6+eI9Djc5tq9AJXEOZH1yUqJ7WNFaavKniTTAg8ZGrykNpHm+NQPtR4 ZKbSsgp24/oZxmdCkeylbeGhFTQz/LeJz9C81zdZGYvLZo+n4bhcN0Y1Gz6T1986 1p9Hm/zVRqaowCNZgDS0BUFrsCldfKLsYzGLEgUk0Y8r7Z65WS3y8JrZjOU87uUO ikqnTkdvBeKcYfyckutf4H9Bp4qu62WEH+ixLhBbbRT9+lBLr13hz1ls2CRuFqWY 9tdd6Fxq8872/8C8V1nbwvxyg+7jK54H0L41vUgKV4o1KxjN4FS6fvpLg/bsrpEu +z30hC0BEPSK+LWjgn3hnLlWia23xquG0ncFIIGd/3VNxRxdH8QP/lpScS6Zh6J/ bYfv08oDTjwPCGptZfdjCZ2wU6Ii3V5g4hWLemZw1/rAfYfR1tR118Bn4g3AQQ8v mNu2yfJLQ+B+6Xnc7NW4cjvbyQNl5vkFAxgD4HVtpSf8O8KX8M5ZZgiPQDcpxnO1 gT12ICFY9+cU8SBvpyQjNAz1F6oQi+Wu+xhWb2+OglYq8KhtX8ine8J/jgHhMy3u 8AiUyqpVsaElwOUlX/vT =P5bO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, please, if you have an own question, write a new message to the list address and do not reply to other messages. Thanks! On 05.05.14 21:33, Annette Breen wrote: > hi im very slow to understand what im doing wrong. Is there any > easy way to explain pgp as got no idea. thanks For getting an own understanding, check out the documents on the website https://www.enigmail.net/documentation/index.php, especially the Quick Start Guide and the Handbook. Do not hesitate to ask questions if you do not understand some things. HTH Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTZ++aAAoJEA52XAUJWdLjsuMH/0zm7DAdRtD+6T5ZUYquTg/F IL5kDSrWCK1DMvfAqYtwWotexPbrZtofjOWS5BDAfzYOMAjdjd2hWhKedUe2Asg9 rmFyjBmnx0ikO1yg98zr2fLIthqkhGeED2rqSDINMSfXlfLuGwc1Jxh5sa2fPSgf fjcrMmYEuUoRIStqmaWdzjIeTlcseU1+iLvfJLfiEDRmo2Y0ppHMtMZEGdFs01CP ij4NlksY+9ZJW+myMZR3F4pwDRQTi0Ry2kc2uqoa72xrfZodLl/dM0V5Xk9vhnp8 TSwVaLEBst4xAjtMAu49TKLNB7zE9UKMqxDoCirYTOCxBvGZ3vdoPlf21xonr5M= =1c4t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
On 6/05/2014 5:15 AM, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 hi im very slow to understand what im doing wrong. Is there any easy way to explain pgp as got no idea. thanks Good idea, I can change the dialog accordingly. However, my problem is that although dkg wrote: In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity or other details", the word that seems to have the most consensus behind it is "opportunistic". I have no clue what opportunistic means. I am not familiar with this word (and I am a technical guy). But we should use terminology that's easy to understand. And Wikipedia's explanation at least sounds not like being appropriate here: Opportunism is the conscious policy and practice of taking selfish advantage of circumstances – with little regard for principles, or with what the consequences are for others. What's wrong with "convenient"? Am 05.05.2014 18:25, Patrick Brunschwig schrieb/wrote: On 05.05.14 02:13, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 05/04/2014 11:41 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: It appears to em that terms like 'thorough', 'careful' are scarcely even applicable to what you're trying to accomplish here. Mode 1 is basically 'Encrypt whenever possible' or 'Encrypt always'. Mode 2 is harder to define -- the best I can come up with is, 'Encrypt manually ONLY'. In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity or other details", the word that seems to have the most consensus behind it is "opportunistic". How about adding the following radio buttons: (*) Opportunistic encryption ( ) Manual selection of encryption options |--| | To send encrypted| | (*) keys signed by me or other people I trust | | | | etc.| | | | ( ) if rules changed encryption | |--| The stuff in the box is only active if "Manual selection of encryption options is chosen". If "Opportunistic encryption" is selected, then everything in the box is inactive, but displays the settings that result from choosing opport. enc. -Patrick ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net - -- Nico -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTZ+NhAAoJEN75/ICKHETQhjUP/A1kd81N3R9bMWBAnWn5v88R CYlyslPl9WGeLg4OOgx0N1w907PZQCVDG/d7cew5EiPIyKyx64o1aYLsdnsuVkWv PLqGHN1Pqt60ZIOhAmlf2YK+TBahsVIGLGw88PcNwa41n2Nt4ozX672DQHCDuzcJ QXCz1TZYge7eKrcVv3/ZZxShbBdfekzCDjecUTPow/1c1SrvYHkr2wcYfnWgqtXg v7hzlGYZuiojZ2ct3Fr2m8C+FgKy1BiI2+zy5EXGh5yUNTIYZnoYu2HLmNwRsP4v +dtH5SHshd7NZFCz9FvIz5nZ8LcIPOj3QJKkFLPqbHQaCnWit/fNVNU0uRraMd1A rxZa9zUz48IC5a9nKnnqWh3BxnR7UN+a+w3qmZJuEfKmnD7qwWCnbbcB1fqW1fbq VxSMYjk6L0hlQhZs/mfgRaCcRWwWRbbB7rdlCYJI5eVMuN11AcQR9rhJBcDVz14m PD+IK7zHl++2LWirA+bDL3SJn8wNiBY4Qu4F1MoKpLmMEKqjFAL33l8y1sH32caG 2QWda9uZRC78YjYejZKdQWNM3OmJhT5AIQT6TINX9lK9G+KGTp3QFYWCUjAf6Cxx 4B3XtHA1PqPMxeaxg0SnElzhm5MW0jFlPgb/bd1PpewxzdaK1xajiXe52C7IQ3jg 3k6cE2Le473Zcaj0ALWw =mReV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Good idea, I can change the dialog accordingly. However, my problem is that although dkg wrote: > In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of > "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity or > other details", the word that seems to have the most consensus > behind it is "opportunistic". I have no clue what opportunistic means. I am not familiar with this word (and I am a technical guy). But we should use terminology that's easy to understand. And Wikipedia's explanation at least sounds not like being appropriate here: > Opportunism is the conscious policy and practice of taking selfish > advantage of circumstances – with little regard for principles, or > with what the consequences are for others. What's wrong with "convenient"? Am 05.05.2014 18:25, Patrick Brunschwig schrieb/wrote: > > On 05.05.14 02:13, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> On 05/04/2014 11:41 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >>> It appears to em that terms like 'thorough', 'careful' are >>> scarcely even applicable to what you're trying to accomplish >>> here. Mode 1 is basically 'Encrypt whenever possible' or >>> 'Encrypt always'. Mode 2 is harder to define -- the best I >>> can come up with is, 'Encrypt manually ONLY'. > >> In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of >> "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity >> or other details", the word that seems to have the most >> consensus behind it is "opportunistic". > > How about adding the following radio buttons: > > (*) Opportunistic encryption ( ) Manual selection of encryption > options > |--| | > To send encrypted| | > (*) keys signed by me or other people I trust | | > | | etc.| > | | | > ( ) if rules changed encryption | > |--| > > The stuff in the box is only active if "Manual selection of > encryption options is chosen". If "Opportunistic encryption" is > selected, then everything in the box is inactive, but displays the > settings that result from choosing opport. enc. > > -Patrick > > > ___ enigmail-users > mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net > > > - -- Nico -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTZ+NhAAoJEN75/ICKHETQhjUP/A1kd81N3R9bMWBAnWn5v88R CYlyslPl9WGeLg4OOgx0N1w907PZQCVDG/d7cew5EiPIyKyx64o1aYLsdnsuVkWv PLqGHN1Pqt60ZIOhAmlf2YK+TBahsVIGLGw88PcNwa41n2Nt4ozX672DQHCDuzcJ QXCz1TZYge7eKrcVv3/ZZxShbBdfekzCDjecUTPow/1c1SrvYHkr2wcYfnWgqtXg v7hzlGYZuiojZ2ct3Fr2m8C+FgKy1BiI2+zy5EXGh5yUNTIYZnoYu2HLmNwRsP4v +dtH5SHshd7NZFCz9FvIz5nZ8LcIPOj3QJKkFLPqbHQaCnWit/fNVNU0uRraMd1A rxZa9zUz48IC5a9nKnnqWh3BxnR7UN+a+w3qmZJuEfKmnD7qwWCnbbcB1fqW1fbq VxSMYjk6L0hlQhZs/mfgRaCcRWwWRbbB7rdlCYJI5eVMuN11AcQR9rhJBcDVz14m PD+IK7zHl++2LWirA+bDL3SJn8wNiBY4Qu4F1MoKpLmMEKqjFAL33l8y1sH32caG 2QWda9uZRC78YjYejZKdQWNM3OmJhT5AIQT6TINX9lK9G+KGTp3QFYWCUjAf6Cxx 4B3XtHA1PqPMxeaxg0SnElzhm5MW0jFlPgb/bd1PpewxzdaK1xajiXe52C7IQ3jg 3k6cE2Le473Zcaj0ALWw =mReV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05.05.14 02:13, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/04/2014 11:41 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> It appears to em that terms like 'thorough', 'careful' are >> scarcely even applicable to what you're trying to accomplish >> here. Mode 1 is basically 'Encrypt whenever possible' or >> 'Encrypt always'. Mode 2 is harder to define -- the best I can >> come up with is, 'Encrypt manually ONLY'. > > In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of > "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity or > other details", the word that seems to have the most consensus > behind it is "opportunistic". How about adding the following radio buttons: (*) Opportunistic encryption ( ) Manual selection of encryption options |--| | To send encrypted| | (*) keys signed by me or other people I trust | | | | etc.| | | | ( ) if rules changed encryption | |--| The stuff in the box is only active if "Manual selection of encryption options is chosen". If "Opportunistic encryption" is selected, then everything in the box is inactive, but displays the settings that result from choosing opport. enc. - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) iQEVAwUBU2e7ksk25cDiHiw+AQho1wf/TM8AgvvAS5qH0YOdae5ncLttp/gKHkYP kbwcEgvhZ+LvVtWH9zvAibaO6tCZoBw1ml1gtWKh7T7dJYVe6rVXTJcmn1gfBnpP H6fHOGon1/5aAbwjMW+9Wk0g4aqAEk/dHOi4tG/0FT/DPbX0Tn4xrlC3stE5dnfz i0MSFqy5qi6YJWUlqELrmOiew+VS4kwRJM+Sx4cHR+87uMuhdfbmeum9TrE8pZLX sngf/Ziv970Hl/EVSxE0A8eOIKr0DA6Zgh587CqXMepj/F9SQVEy8whcaDZtZIM6 RXlWbvbRBe1ocuUzrCyPMZWtyKctlxU64z8LyRNk7axXw7hOfjeoLA== =+ojo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
On 05/04/2014 11:41 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > It appears to em that terms like 'thorough', 'careful' are scarcely > even applicable to what you're trying to accomplish here. Mode 1 is > basically 'Encrypt whenever possible' or 'Encrypt always'. Mode 2 is > harder to define -- the best I can come up with is, 'Encrypt manually > ONLY'. In other discussions about crypto that aim for the idea of "whenever possible, even if i'm not sure of the proper identity or other details", the word that seems to have the most consensus behind it is "opportunistic". --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
Thanks for all feedback. Hmmm, we have the radio boxes. The intent of the buttons would be to set these readio boyes to useful defaults. So, the buttons really should be named: - reset preferences for to convenient encryption - reset preferences for ... encryption. But as nobody is exited, I can remove the buttons again and only provide a help button explaining details (beside the detailed tooltips each button has) Nico Am 04.05.2014 17:45, Patrick Brunschwig schrieb/wrote: > On 04.05.14 17:06, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: >> On 04.05.14 16:39, Olav Seyfarth wrote: Heavy encryption maybe ? >>> H. > >>> auto-magic > >> Sounds very good! > >>> vs. manually-controlled ? > >> Well, rules would be active in this mode, if I understood it >> correctly. > >> Maybe: "Classic"? > > > Please don't use buttons, they imply that the an action is > triggered, and usually either the dialog is closed or a new dialog > is opened. I think you want to use radio buttons or checkboxes. The > advantage with both is that you can provide a longer description > (even a paragraph) than just a label. > > In this sense, none of the single words is clear enough for me. > > -Patrick > > ___ enigmail-users > mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net > > -- Nicolai M. Josuttis www.josuttis.de +49 (0)531 / 129 88 86 +49 (0)700 / 5678 +49 (0)700 / JOSUTTIS IT communication http://it-communication.com SOA in Practice http://soa-in-practice.com C++ Standard Library http://cppstdlib.com ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04.05.14 17:06, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 04.05.14 16:39, Olav Seyfarth wrote: >>> Heavy encryption maybe ? >> H. > >> auto-magic > > Sounds very good! > >> vs. manually-controlled ? > > Well, rules would be active in this mode, if I understood it > correctly. > > Maybe: "Classic"? Please don't use buttons, they imply that the an action is triggered, and usually either the dialog is closed or a new dialog is opened. I think you want to use radio buttons or checkboxes. The advantage with both is that you can provide a longer description (even a paragraph) than just a label. In this sense, none of the single words is clear enough for me. - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) iQEVAwUBU2Zgn8k25cDiHiw+AQgFAwf8CShUrn5RkeS5J/uvgrQO2xQUR3UKQh19 cpH+J7oxFfgJ7GWMDDj9AU4cEWtygwRkYf1BtoousFAcufvgv4rKaQrStowIe26B PqlwR5VQzatUPLbzh3iuNW9Z8Y7KOtj2Cbvba2SxW4ox6CS/+ED/ya8V/Bpnkulf U896jaFpG0HybH7dcKhVNR1WJw1o/dttF9W8b819fQTdrz8BMu097aBZZG/Afn2H +JSOmiWMlrLQnPrFMNM0ZOp6yvnQXM0UDnp53PqZQAos0hGlaxTOjd7R4yohyLp1 MaX9FDnJ9zNDNL7qyMtHrkJTCRuTYWsB4YTSklp3jL2t2xA4Pd4IVA== =Rdj3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/04/14 08:41, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 04/05/2014 14:00, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: >> Just as a explanation: - Convenient encryption would select: - >> accept ALL keys (trust-model always) - auto send encrypted if I >> have accepted keys - Confirm before sending: never - Thorough >> encryption would select: - accept only valid keys (WoT model) - >> never automatically send encrypted (except rules) - Confirm: >> always > > I fear that it will be difficult to find a choice of 2 short labels > for your 'convenient' and 'thorough' buttons which will be clear > and not misleading. Perhaps the 'convenient' could be labelled > 'handy but with risks' and 'thorough' could be labelled > 'thoughtful'. It appears to em that terms like 'thorough', 'careful' are scarcely even applicable to what you're trying to accomplish here. Mode 1 is basically 'Encrypt whenever possible' or 'Encrypt always'. Mode 2 is harder to define -- the best I can come up with is, 'Encrypt manually ONLY'. - -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: 603.293.8485 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEAREIAAYFAlNmX44ACgkQ0DfOju+hMkklagCdFkMnAcGd3kVp7SdIOgiVaTwp ZrUAoKVVJMPKnc3jVfUIeJwwqHwPAVh1 =DBGw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04.05.14 16:39, Olav Seyfarth wrote: >> Heavy encryption maybe ? > H. > > auto-magic Sounds very good! > vs. manually-controlled ? Well, rules would be active in this mode, if I understood it correctly. Maybe: "Classic"? Anyway: Many thanks, Nico, for pushing forward! Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTZld9AAoJEA52XAUJWdLjsskIAJFLrU+6D9688k++5+Tkh2SD 2dXBGbckWmt1gx9LyQ6FVEAeA5NhHsdzDDM+TSPMJ4VGaWqwpoRKgY6/pDysGHbV E/n9B1Y9c+lSPEaclTGzBYCXOYUlWPq5ZP/SEuJAAZnEmPo5ZOWlG3UDT4yLhWN1 MZG5Rug2twijc52is5jj8+e76aQlrhnrZDzfKxlPsFxjlSSB0eD4HsVh32fykJiF Q4k8VOAI9HFSZmMMItfUyhpSekSravnqBSjryXuzGMeSZNLwcgQw8YySp1nXgvCW UYpPQX1cq6y3/kJSOBwEePEmPguvVUBE74JVDmnrByoHm3+j3MDAtMOtz6ewhXQ= =R1My -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
> Heavy encryption maybe ? H. auto-magic vs. manually-controlled ? My 2 ct Olav -- The Enigmail Project - OpenPGP Email Security For Mozilla Applications ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heavy encryption maybe ? On 05/04/2014 09:00 PM, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: > Hi, > > please look at the attached dialog. You can see a couple of new > feature that all should help users to set encryption options. > > Without explanation: - Is it self explaining? - Any improveents? > > I especiylla wonder about the text of the middle button 'Thorough > encryption' Alternative names are: Careful encryption Accurate > Encryption Elaborated Encryption (I don't want to have 'Safe > encryption' because that raises too many questions). What would you > prefer? > > Just as a explanation: - Convenient encryption would select: - > accept ALL keys (trust-model always) - auto send encrypted if I > have accepted keys - Confirm before sending: never - Thorough > encryption would select: - accept only valid keys (WoT model) - > never automatically send encrypted (except rules) - Confirm: > always > > Any feedback is welcome. > > AND: If you want to try out the new features (except the new > buttons convenient/thorough/help) here is a xpi file: > https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.7a1pre-test2.xpi > (thanks to Patrick for providing that). > > Either load the xpi file directly into Thunderbird or save it with > Firefox and then open it via extras -> Add-ons ... and in the tab > select the top right "cogwheel" button and choose the option to > install add-on from a file > > Best Nico > > > > ___ enigmail-users > mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net > > - -- GnuPG Public Key : 0x2D19B97E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTZk9HAAoJEKD3AI0tGbl+M40H/2Al5GOScZMhqCiIa8sIi7uB tWuBoEk+e8rl424HogI2V7q9MafY1jxEwmKjA7bW9w+VCPspzlMbcnafdhPt3mXE F/RE1pkrwG7DnZ+xBjL6P2p1JVV/At3wcNKDDdXcK0AmxAnlK8aUSn1584fQrgYG MopjVWi4QGKEplQGWR8vWCm4GEteZW7nf/T/jITTyatws4sFV1Rqz1R731i2SH3b UR9FkNr8DFpG5W6OhlcBccam3qIS2uYzHyioXPBQ9TGGPNIgN6qfkQAQ6IsF6z0K 76A/+s7E+wTybhUWOQR1x2FuNSTYdBtVHzY9NBKZCMbK+VYOrC+4d6ObL1u/ghQ= =h/SY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thanks for the feedback. Am 04.05.2014 14:41, Philip Jackson schrieb/wrote: > On 04/05/2014 14:00, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: >> Hi, > >> please look at the attached dialog. You can see a couple of new >> feature that all should help users to set encryption options. > >> Without explanation: - Is it self explaining? - Any improveents? > >> I especiylla wonder about the text of the middle button 'Thorough >> encryption' Alternative names are: Careful encryption Accurate >> Encryption Elaborated Encryption (I don't want to have 'Safe >> encryption' because that raises too many questions). What would >> you prefer? > > I haven't seen the interface you mention BUT > > I would avoid 'thorough', 'careful', 'accurate' : these three in > English will imply that they are an alternative to 'careless' or > 'shoddy'. Any and all encryption is expected to be thorough and > careful and accurate, and 'safe'. Any exceptions that might be > anticipated would be put down to human error or (in the case of > 'safe') to the greater expertise of an adversary and not to a > deliberate choice on the part of the sender. > >> Just as a explanation: - Convenient encryption would select: - >> accept ALL keys (trust-model always) - auto send encrypted if I >> have accepted keys - Confirm before sending: never - Thorough >> encryption would select: - accept only valid keys (WoT model) - >> never automatically send encrypted (except rules) - Confirm: >> always > > I fear that it will be difficult to find a choice of 2 short labels > for your 'convenient' and 'thorough' buttons which will be clear > and not misleading. It's not the goal to be perfect, The goal is to let user choose easily a matching model. So the general choice is: - - I want to encrypt and prefer the convenient way - - I want to encrypt and prefer the careful ways (non-convenient) That's something people can understand (IMO). Anything in more detail is simply frustrating for the average user, who just wants to replace sending emails as postcards by sending them as letters. > Perhaps the 'convenient' could be labelled 'handy but with risks' > and 'thorough' could be labelled 'thoughtful'. > I am feeling pretty strong about convenient (or may be handy) currently, because that's exactly what it is. And while I agree that careful sound as opposite to careless, it is important to note that this button has a context: The other button 'convenient'. So consider both options in the face of the facts that these two options are what you can choose from and not isolated. > In any case, I fear that a complementary explanation will be > required in the form of a 'help' button to explain to beginners the > subtleties of the decision making process required to chose between > the two options. > That's why there is a help button ... ;-) The explanations are already there. To quote what I programmed yet: - -- Enigmail Help Defining Preferences to Send Ecrypted In the Sending Preferences you can choose your model for encryption. There are choices because in general two options are possible: *Convenient Encryption* With these settings, emails are encrypted whenever possible. This is like sending emails as letters instead of postcards. Unlike postcards letters usually hide their contents while in transit. However as with letters, you can't be sure that nobody is opening the letter while it is in transit, but some technical effort is necessary for that. Technically, the risk is that you accidentally use "faked keys" you got from somewhere or somebody claiming that the key belongs to the person you want to send emails to. *Thorough (Careful/Accurate/Elaborated) Encryption* With these settings, email are encrypted using only keys you can trust (either signed by you or signed by people you trust). This follows the default trust model of PGP, which accepts keys as "valid for encryption" only, if you explicitly signed them or enough people you trust signed them. While this model eliminates some additional risks, it requires that you actively sign keys and declare owner trust. If you just want to switch from sending emails without encryption to sending emails encrypted whenever possible, convenient encryption is probably your choice. If it is key for you that content you send encrypted can't be read by other people or organizations, choose thorough encryption. - - - -- Nicolai M. Josuttis www.josuttis.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTZjpaAAoJEN75/ICKHETQL2YP/1cnr6CcNkG1diyhVKuaThw0 ZkAoJw8ZwM/HEVCTB3ZLBg9z36iqTx4jIzvgliDB/m1AF5C/ItrGrmiyFxfBuSU4 obN3mFap7jMYMic004Ve+KO8GW4U5Iqg30G2kXO0QisAFxsVc1jbsuXVgSSbiRfd eFO8ln3SbzlkqFrjrbwnvA2ztIvnvr3LT09fAwXJAUA7MArFIuRCLQfdf4TISbB8 pCfKCduxklmCvxE5rlijXto
Re: [Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/2014 14:00, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: > Hi, > > please look at the attached dialog. You can see a couple of new feature > that all should help users to set encryption options. > > Without explanation: - Is it self explaining? - Any improveents? > > I especiylla wonder about the text of the middle button 'Thorough > encryption' Alternative names are: Careful encryption Accurate Encryption > Elaborated Encryption (I don't want to have 'Safe encryption' because that > raises too many questions). What would you prefer? > I haven't seen the interface you mention BUT I would avoid 'thorough', 'careful', 'accurate' : these three in English will imply that they are an alternative to 'careless' or 'shoddy'. Any and all encryption is expected to be thorough and careful and accurate, and 'safe'. Any exceptions that might be anticipated would be put down to human error or (in the case of 'safe') to the greater expertise of an adversary and not to a deliberate choice on the part of the sender. > Just as a explanation: - Convenient encryption would select: - accept ALL > keys (trust-model always) - auto send encrypted if I have accepted keys - > Confirm before sending: never - Thorough encryption would select: - accept > only valid keys (WoT model) - never automatically send encrypted (except > rules) - Confirm: always > I fear that it will be difficult to find a choice of 2 short labels for your 'convenient' and 'thorough' buttons which will be clear and not misleading. Perhaps the 'convenient' could be labelled 'handy but with risks' and 'thorough' could be labelled 'thoughtful'. In any case, I fear that a complementary explanation will be required in the form of a 'help' button to explain to beginners the subtleties of the decision making process required to chose between the two options. > Any feedback is welcome. > > AND: If you want to try out the new features (except the new buttons > convenient/thorough/help) here is a xpi file: > https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.7a1pre-test2.xpi (thanks > to Patrick for providing that). > > Either load the xpi file directly into Thunderbird or save it with Firefox > and then open it via extras -> Add-ons ... and in the tab select the top > right "cogwheel" button and choose the option to install add-on from a > file > > Best Nico > I'll try your xpi file this evening - when I have a little more time. Philip -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTZjV2AAoJECa9UAojVDpjoKcH/2zhepFemvyhLIprJ0S3/XAR Wri77Z/eatCmm96wrYZ9Iwp/+jX+l32XvtonCRE6BISYPQsFgbnS5hGrcxwe6R2P SJgYDK1ookofMPbPitNw+WTa8sUAgCMHn6xUuwKlfEHH7oOd85GBZcRe9gj91IYw sccQu633/ZMjoFvxQZzJLL/QZSFphZcw5md3JA5ZgKu+xmGyNUl2wMfKxgFwmf43 yucEMn4GVGgYKOs8BWvbHd2cXv7LH+zj2bMWYkYvceMcnvTER1zp+j1NGNNE1Ksc g6yw7RzIS9SbcJLjlovMmZyG+rS+kbd8t9LStwuJzgLW4TmKwkTzO1iD84Y7keE= =yF0e -END PGP SIGNATURE- 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] question regarding a new sending preferences layout
Hi, please look at the attached dialog. You can see a couple of new feature that all should help users to set encryption options. Without explanation: - Is it self explaining? - Any improveents? I especiylla wonder about the text of the middle button 'Thorough encryption' Alternative names are: Careful encryption Accurate Encryption Elaborated Encryption (I don't want to have 'Safe encryption' because that raises too many questions). What would you prefer? Just as a explanation: - Convenient encryption would select: - accept ALL keys (trust-model always) - auto send encrypted if I have accepted keys - Confirm before sending: never - Thorough encryption would select: - accept only valid keys (WoT model) - never automatically send encrypted (except rules) - Confirm: always Any feedback is welcome. AND: If you want to try out the new features (except the new buttons convenient/thorough/help) here is a xpi file: https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.7a1pre-test2.xpi (thanks to Patrick for providing that). Either load the xpi file directly into Thunderbird or save it with Firefox and then open it via extras -> Add-ons ... and in the tab select the top right "cogwheel" button and choose the option to install add-on from a file Best Nico -- Nicolai M. Josuttis www.josuttis.de ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
