Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
Looks like IM client overload is going on :) There is the very basic shell of an IM client gui (with a shell of an everybuddy-lite backend) in e17/apps/express in cvs. I don't have much time to work on it at the moment, so maybe we could pool together and work on one solid client. I'd suggest that we make the backend as modular as possible, allowing for several different ones. Take a look at the code in cvs. its fairly clean, and takes care of some of the basic interface needs (representing buddies, conversations, and messages). The main difference between it and traditional clients, is that I did away with the usual buddy-list window, placing buddy icons in a panel under the conversation window. These icons double as the buddy list and 'tabs' for the various conversations. (Of course, we'll need some default icons for those who don't have buddy icons). Let me know if what is already there fits in with your ideas. Also, keep in mind that the interface is fully themable, so it could be made to look much different, including the traditional IM style. There is a screenshot at http://rephorm.com/files/eim-notmock.png -- rephorm On Jan 27, 2005, at 2:42 AM, joel vennin wrote: Stop it or contribute with me :p I've starting to write an IM (full jabber support) using only the EFL. The name of this project is ejab. With it, it possible to connect to a server, authentification, get information from the roster. It's just a first version to explore the EFL library. So if you'are interested you're welcome and we can start the first jabber client based on EFL. So to answer at your question: Yes the EFL is ready to do it ! The only external library that i used is the expat (for xml stream) and libidn. Jol On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:14 +, kozko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? -- kozko --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
On Thursday, 27 January 2005, at 14:15:01 (+0100), Tilman Sauerbeck wrote: And yes, the EFL are ready :) They are indeed. http://www.efl.org.au/ Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Microsoft is trying to sell us crack, and the first taste is free. But what's it going to mean when we're addicted to this? -- Anonymous, 1998 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:14 + kozko [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? that'd be cool - though efl has fairly poor text support at the moment. we hope to change that though. :) its all utf8 unicode, but only right-to-left and the primitives supported ar just single line strings. ewl adds some more but build on top of these basics only. :( -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
Looks like IM client overload is going on :) You're right, i think it could be really great to have a native IM enlightenment client ! There is the very basic shell of an IM client gui (with a shell of an everybuddy-lite backend) in e17/apps/express in cvs. I don't have much time to work on it at the moment, so maybe we could pool together and work on one solid client. I'd suggest that we make the backend as modular as possible, allowing for several different ones. I'm currently working on the backend, for now i writing a library libegpx, which means Enlightenment Generic Protocol XML something like that. The core is a configurable set of structures and functions to allow easily extension of a protocol. For now the input stream must be in xml format. My points of views and my wishes are to define with the egpx the xmpp-core and the xmpp-im rfc. And next we can without change anything inside xmpp-core structure or xmpp-im structure support all other JEPS defined with egpx. I would that the backend is enough extensible to test new JEPS and more precisely to support voice. I've made a poor core to understand how EFL work and now i rewriting a better code (i think). About the modularity of the backend, i'm agree with you that it should be modular. But one thing at a time :p About express, it seems interesting, in fact i'm really poor in frontend ... so it's a good occasion to gather ours efforts. I've not lots of time because i'm phd student but i'm very interesting to create an IM supporting the Jabber protocol. So if you're interested and motivated we should create a mailing list and why not a little website to do the roadmap. Jol Take a look at the code in cvs. its fairly clean, and takes care of some of the basic interface needs (representing buddies, conversations, and messages). The main difference between it and traditional clients, is that I did away with the usual buddy-list window, placing buddy icons in a panel under the conversation window. These icons double as the buddy list and 'tabs' for the various conversations. (Of course, we'll need some default icons for those who don't have buddy icons). Let me know if what is already there fits in with your ideas. Also, keep in mind that the interface is fully themable, so it could be made to look much different, including the traditional IM style. There is a screenshot at http://rephorm.com/files/eim-notmock.png -- rephorm On Jan 27, 2005, at 2:42 AM, joel vennin wrote: Stop it or contribute with me :p I've starting to write an IM (full jabber support) using only the EFL. The name of this project is ejab. With it, it possible to connect to a server, authentification, get information from the roster. It's just a first version to explore the EFL library. So if you'are interested you're welcome and we can start the first jabber client based on EFL. So to answer at your question: Yes the EFL is ready to do it ! The only external library that i used is the expat (for xml stream) and libidn. Jol On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:14 +, kozko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? -- kozko --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: eim (was: Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?)
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:41:19 +0100, Holger Dell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, (eim = enlightenment instant messenger)? About the modularity of the backend, i'm agree with you that it should be modular. But one thing at a time :p right. but modularity has to start at the very beginning ;) Sure :p About express, it seems interesting, in fact i'm really poor in frontend ... so it's a good occasion to gather ours efforts. I agree and I am keen on having a good instant messenger. 'good' includes for me: * pretty and themeable layout (something like transparent message boxes, similar to erss, enlightenments rss-reader) Ok for me * configurability (like micq or something like that. this would include a full control interface for external programs or scripts to be able to access incoming messages in realtime) totally agree * modularity (it would be very nice, if this went so far, that you could even use a command-line frontend instead of a gui. this would probably merge with the interface for external programs.) Exactly my think * easy and quick configurability (with one to three clicks instead of editing huge config files; especially concerning the organization of the buddy list) We are on the same road * it should support at least icq and better also aim. where is jabber used? Maybe here is the war :p In fact, why i want jabber protocol instead of other, it's because the first of all is that Jabber is free, there is rfc about this protocol and you can get all information you want about this protocol. Another thing, is that i want use this eim :p as a test platform developpment for JEPS. I think the question is why you used icq or aim, it's because all the mainstream use these protocol ? My opinion is that jabber propose passerel to aim and icq and i'musing jabber this many years and i've got never problem with it. It's right that for now, there is no implementation of the voice support but we will can do it (i wish). So my question is why not suggest other people to used the jabber protocol ? It's why and it's my think about the choice of the jabber protocol. I've not lots of time because i'm phd student but i'm very interesting to create an IM supporting the Jabber protocol. for me it's the very same, i suppose. Ok nice :p So if you're interested and motivated we should create a mailing list and why not a little website to do the roadmap. sounds great! who will do it? Hehe, it seems that it the start of a new project :p, ok i can create on my website (i must take some time to create it) or if you want we create a project on sourceforge or whatever you want. You can send me your icq number to my personal mail, in this way we can make the choice without any polution for this mailing list. Take a look at the code in cvs. its fairly clean, and takes care of some of the basic interface needs (representing buddies, conversations, and messages). I tried it out, but I was unable to start a (fake) conversation. perhaps we should think of speaking with authors of other instant messengers, as we could learn from their experience. It can be a solution, but i've already check the code of different im. holger. Jol --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
eim (was: Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?)
hi, (eim = enlightenment instant messenger)? About the modularity of the backend, i'm agree with you that it should be modular. But one thing at a time :p right. but modularity has to start at the very beginning ;) About express, it seems interesting, in fact i'm really poor in frontend ... so it's a good occasion to gather ours efforts. I agree and I am keen on having a good instant messenger. 'good' includes for me: * pretty and themeable layout (something like transparent message boxes, similar to erss, enlightenments rss-reader) * configurability (like micq or something like that. this would include a full control interface for external programs or scripts to be able to access incoming messages in realtime) * modularity (it would be very nice, if this went so far, that you could even use a command-line frontend instead of a gui. this would probably merge with the interface for external programs.) * easy and quick configurability (with one to three clicks instead of editing huge config files; especially concerning the organization of the buddy list) * it should support at least icq and better also aim. where is jabber used? I've not lots of time because i'm phd student but i'm very interesting to create an IM supporting the Jabber protocol. for me it's the very same, i suppose. So if you're interested and motivated we should create a mailing list and why not a little website to do the roadmap. sounds great! who will do it? Take a look at the code in cvs. its fairly clean, and takes care of some of the basic interface needs (representing buddies, conversations, and messages). I tried it out, but I was unable to start a (fake) conversation. perhaps we should think of speaking with authors of other instant messengers, as we could learn from their experience. holger. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
kozko [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-26 23:05]: I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? FYI, there's an EFL IM application in development in our CVS repository, called express. And yes, the EFL are ready :) -- Regards, Tilman --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
Stop it or contribute with me :p I've starting to write an IM (full jabber support) using only the EFL. The name of this project is ejab. With it, it possible to connect to a server, authentification, get information from the roster. It's just a first version to explore the EFL library. So if you'are interested you're welcome and we can start the first jabber client based on EFL. So to answer at your question: Yes the EFL is ready to do it ! The only external library that i used is the expat (for xml stream) and libidn. Jol On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:14 +, kozko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? -- kozko --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Are the EFL ready?
Hello, I am a programmer, and now I'm thinking to create a instant message client, I want to the ewl edje it's so nice :), but I don't know if EFL are ready at the moment, any body can tell me if better I wait for a time? -- kozko --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
