Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
I get the feeling it would be better paying someone within the project already as they might know the internals better. On a separate note, I was thinking about doing something like this a few days ago. Maybe ProFUSION could setup a 'Pay an E hacker' system where we could get donations to pay someone to hack E specifically? Don't misunderstand me, I'd surely prefer paying a member of the E development team but... 1) Any E developer is already an E developer. It would not be a WORK to complete for him, it would just become an incentive. And since he already works on E, maybe the incentive would change nothing for him afterall. 2) When I rent a coder, he gets paid ONLY if he finished the work perfectly and only if he manages to do it into a certain timeline. So, it's a very strict and secure approach for me, the one who pays. If any E developer is interested in this kind of approach, then welcome, I'll prefer to pay a member... but I strongly doubt anyone would accept to be paid only if the goal was 100% achieved, after the achievment of the work and only if he did it in time! 3) I think people already coding on their own prefer to do it because they love it, simply not because someone pays them. On the other hand, I'm an Architect and am busy all day long, lucky me I find some time to manage OpenGEU at least. But I cannot code myself. If I could, I think this would become the end of my Architect studies and works... I'd code all daylong for E. Since I can't, I'll so it another way. 4) In rentacoder there are a lot of very skilled coders from disadvantaged countries, able of achieving impressing code goals for very few money, I already had experience in this, I know what I'm talking about. That said, of course I'd prefer to pay an E17 coder or more than one to do this work in a deadline. About the ProFUSION thing, if they think they can do it, why on earth don't we set up this thing? I know of a lot of people who would certainly donate to have tangible progresses in E. So, that said, I won't rent a coder for some days, I'll wait for answers. Greets, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Stipended code donation
Hallo everyone, with my own money, I'm going to stipend a coder to work hardly on the Enlightenment FM. I thought this is something good to do and very similar to what google does in the summer of code afterall. So, now, the only thing to define is what the coder should implement. What's missing, what we would like EFM to be able to do. Some specs. Is it ok for all of you if I do this? Of course, the coder would work with the collaboration of everyone in E15 development team, it would follow the official specs and act the same way the developer from google did: with free code, released under our same license, etc. I manage, as many of you might know, my own E17 based distro and my goal is that of contributing in a tangible way, not just using E17 in my distro but trying to help making it better! I'll be waiting for your answer, suggestions and features list needed by the new work. Plus, please show me links to official documents, etc. so that the developer can have as much docs and specs as he can. Greetings, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com wrote: Hallo everyone, with my own money, I'm going to stipend a coder to work hardly on the Enlightenment FM. I thought this is something good to do and very similar to what google does in the summer of code afterall. So, now, the only thing to define is what the coder should implement. What's missing, what we would like EFM to be able to do. Some specs. Is it ok for all of you if I do this? Of course, the coder would work with the collaboration of everyone in E15 development team, it would follow the official specs and act the same way the developer from google did: with free code, released under our same license, etc. I manage, as many of you might know, my own E17 based distro and my goal is that of contributing in a tangible way, not just using E17 in my distro but trying to help making it better! I'll be waiting for your answer, suggestions and features list needed by the new work. Plus, please show me links to official documents, etc. so that the developer can have as much docs and specs as he can. Hi Luca, I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. Regards, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
-- Forwarded message -- From: hannes.janet...@gmail.com hannes.janet...@googlemail.com Date: Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation To: Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com Hi Luca, you won the jackpot?! This is not a direct reply to your request, but as you brought up the topic: I think a bit of sponsoring could not be bad to get developers do more the kind of things that users want instead of scratching their own itches. It would be nice to have a bounty list where money could be collected per tasks that donators can define. These could also be small tasks like for example fixing some layout issues of the dialogs, adding options, writing modules (that dont need to be included in e), etc. I would definitely be motivated to work on these things by such a way of sponsoring. What do others think of this? Is there interest in doing work on bounty basis and is it realizable? Regards, Hannes 'jeffdameth' Janetzek -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? @Hannes: if you can do the job and since you already are part of the OpenGEU crew, of course you should contact me and of course I would incentivate your work :) Greets everyone, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? Would this work? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release These are the blocking/showstopper, but maybe you can fill it bit more. I'll keep ProFUSION out of this for a while, expecting some developer to step in and give them preference, if you pick no one until next week then I'll mail you. That way I don't get in the way of any developer willing to work on it. Regards, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Luca De Marini wrote: I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? @Hannes: if you can do the job and since you already are part of the OpenGEU crew, of course you should contact me and of course I would incentivate your work :) Greets everyone, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
2009/2/6 Jorge Mariani jorgemari...@gmail.com Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx That's exactly the place I was going to use from the beginning :) -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
2009/2/7 Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com: 2009/2/6 Jorge Mariani jorgemari...@gmail.com Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx That's exactly the place I was going to use from the beginning :) I get the feeling it would be better paying someone within the project already as they might know the internals better. On a separate note, I was thinking about doing something like this a few days ago. Maybe ProFUSION could setup a 'Pay an E hacker' system where we could get donations to pay someone to hack E specifically? Toma. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
