Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:04:43 +0300 Виктор Кожухаров <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > В вт, 2006-10-17 в 08:13 +0900, Carsten Haitzler написа: > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:45:11 +0300 Виктор Кожухаров <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > В пн, 2006-10-16 в 16:25 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: > > > It just seems more natural that someone would try grabbing an icon, and > > > placing it where other icons appear. From this point of view, the menu > > > item indeed does appear to be wasting space. That's why it just seems to > > > me, that while the menu is useful now that the dragging has been > > > disabled (I guess until onefang finishes up his desktop stuff), it might > > > not look so important in the future. > > > > 1. dnd to ibar does work. i just did so dragging a firefox icon into ibar > > from the border. > > Ok, I just checked it. It does work. But only when the shelf is _not_ > part of the desktop itself. i fixed dnd to ibar when below everything last night. cvs update. > > 2. a lot of people don't KNOW you can do it - so adding a menu to the border > > menu saying "add to..." is a helpful ui feature to make it easier when > > people ask "how do i add app X to my ibar?". it simply tries to make > > another way of doing it obvious. dnd is NOT obvious. it is implicit and > > handy. > > > > > -- > > > Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ > > > > > > > > -- > Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Виктор Кожухаров wrote: > Ok, I just checked it. It does work. But only when the shelf is _not_ > part of the desktop itself. Actually that was fixed the other day by raster, so on your next update it should work for you. dh - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
В вт, 2006-10-17 в 08:13 +0900, Carsten Haitzler написа: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:45:11 +0300 Виктор Кожухаров <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > В пн, 2006-10-16 в 16:25 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: > > It just seems more natural that someone would try grabbing an icon, and > > placing it where other icons appear. From this point of view, the menu > > item indeed does appear to be wasting space. That's why it just seems to > > me, that while the menu is useful now that the dragging has been > > disabled (I guess until onefang finishes up his desktop stuff), it might > > not look so important in the future. > > 1. dnd to ibar does work. i just did so dragging a firefox icon into ibar from > the border. Ok, I just checked it. It does work. But only when the shelf is _not_ part of the desktop itself. > 2. a lot of people don't KNOW you can do it - so adding a menu to the border > menu saying "add to..." is a helpful ui feature to make it easier when people > ask "how do i add app X to my ibar?". it simply tries to make another way of > doing it obvious. dnd is NOT obvious. it is implicit and handy. > > > -- > > Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ > > > > -- Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ signature.asc Description: Това е цифрово подписана част от писмото - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:45:11 +0300 Виктор Кожухаров <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > В пн, 2006-10-16 в 16:25 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: > It just seems more natural that someone would try grabbing an icon, and > placing it where other icons appear. From this point of view, the menu > item indeed does appear to be wasting space. That's why it just seems to > me, that while the menu is useful now that the dragging has been > disabled (I guess until onefang finishes up his desktop stuff), it might > not look so important in the future. 1. dnd to ibar does work. i just did so dragging a firefox icon into ibar from the border. 2. a lot of people don't KNOW you can do it - so adding a menu to the border menu saying "add to..." is a helpful ui feature to make it easier when people ask "how do i add app X to my ibar?". it simply tries to make another way of doing it obvious. dnd is NOT obvious. it is implicit and handy. > -- > Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Виктор Кожухаров wrote: > В пн, 2006-10-16 в 16:25 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: > It just seems more natural that someone would try grabbing an icon, and > placing it where other icons appear. From this point of view, the menu > item indeed does appear to be wasting space. That's why it just seems to > me, that while the menu is useful now that the dragging has been > disabled (I guess until onefang finishes up his desktop stuff), it might > not look so important in the future. > Well, space should not be an issue anymore as I recently refactored the border menu to take up less space now. dh - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
В пн, 2006-10-16 в 16:25 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: It just seems more natural that someone would try grabbing an icon, and placing it where other icons appear. From this point of view, the menu item indeed does appear to be wasting space. That's why it just seems to me, that while the menu is useful now that the dragging has been disabled (I guess until onefang finishes up his desktop stuff), it might not look so important in the future. -- Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ signature.asc Description: Това е цифрово подписана част от писмото - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:16 -0400 Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Виктор Кожухаров wrote: > > trick question: what happened with the ability to drag icons > > directly from the border to the ibar. seems pointless to have a > > menu that won't be used at all when (if?!?) dragging is > > reimplemented. > > > Dragging icons directly to ibar is still supported/working. > > As far as this menu item being "pointless" and "won't be used at > all"...how do you know that? Some people may use it more than others > but this doesn't mean that it will never get used. You should be able to drag icons to ibar from damn near anywhere now. Applications menu, window borders, EFM, applications config dialog. signature.asc Description: PGP signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Виктор Кожухаров wrote: > trick question: what happened with the ability to drag icons directly > from the border to the ibar. seems pointless to have a menu that won't > be used at all when (if?!?) dragging is reimplemented. > Dragging icons directly to ibar is still supported/working. As far as this menu item being "pointless" and "won't be used at all"...how do you know that? Some people may use it more than others but this doesn't mean that it will never get used. dh - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
В нд, 2006-10-15 в 19:23 -0400, Christopher Michael написа: > I created 2 different versions for this: > > http://devilhorns.us/images/shelf_menu.png > > Version 1 has the shelves listed as a sub-menu. Clicking on an > individual shelf will take you to the config dialog for that shelf. > Clicking "Add a shelf" will add a new shelf, and clicking "Delete a > shelf" will take you to the shelf list dialog, where you can select > which one to delete. > trick question: what happened with the ability to drag icons directly from the border to the ibar. seems pointless to have a menu that won't be used at all when (if?!?) dragging is reimplemented. > Version 2 is just a quick link to the Shelf Configuration list, where > you can add/delete/configure shelves. > > Which do we want to go with? > > Cheers, > devilhorns > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ signature.asc Description: Това е цифрово подписана част от писмото - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:28 +0200 dAgeCKo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu1.png > > > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu2.png > > > > > > Yes ?? > > > > almost - except its "Configure Virtual Desktops" not just This desktop" (and > > it > > just brings up the virtual desktops config dialog - just another convenient > > entry point to get to the config dialog) > > Why not allowing the user to decide where to place some elements of > the menu ? If it cannot be done now, then maybe for next releases ? > > I know users won't modify their shelves very often. But this might > rise another question underlying this one: do any users would like > to have the same menu, or best do the current menu organisation will > satisfy all users ? So I would suggest a menu configurator. that makes things harder as some parts of menus are dynamically created and generated by code. they are not just static things. maybe in e18 we will look at providing more flexibility there. but history has taught me that 99% of people never change such a thing - even if it is configurable, so we should focus on making the default really good and smart - and then later when we have not so many pressing things to do with e, come back and look at making the menu more flexible. > > -- > dAgeCKo > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
> > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu1.png > > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu2.png > > > > Yes ?? > > almost - except its "Configure Virtual Desktops" not just This desktop" (and > it > just brings up the virtual desktops config dialog - just another convenient > entry point to get to the config dialog) Why not allowing the user to decide where to place some elements of the menu ? If it cannot be done now, then maybe for next releases ? I know users won't modify their shelves very often. But this might rise another question underlying this one: do any users would like to have the same menu, or best do the current menu organisation will satisfy all users ? So I would suggest a menu configurator. -- dAgeCKo - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:39:40 -0400 Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> hmm both are good. but the lft ends up cluttering the main menu up more. i >>> think we want both - but the "Shelves" submenu needs to maybe go into >>> another submenu. we need to reshuffle i think. the Desktops menu is a little >>> "underused" i think with edge flip, a pager and keybindings - it is a little >>> redundant. i'm not saying get rid of it, but maybe Dektops (rename to >>> Desktop) can now hold a shelves submenu then put the current desktops >>> submenu contents in a "Virtual" submenu of "Desktops" and move show./hide >>> up to the Desktop menu. also might add a "Configure" menu item to the menu >>> with "Desktop 1" etc. etc. etc. in (the named desktops). which reminds >>> me... we need a gui to configure desktop names... in the virtual desktop >>> config (and display them too) >>> >>> main->Fav >>> Applications >>> Run >>> - >>> Desktop -> Virtual -> Desktop 1 >>> Shelves -> ... >>> - >>> Show/Hide All... >>> ... >> From what I gathered, your looking for something like these: >> >> http://devilhorns.us/images/menu1.png >> http://devilhorns.us/images/menu2.png >> >> Yes ?? > > almost - except its "Configure Virtual Desktops" not just This desktop" (and > it > just brings up the virtual desktops config dialog - just another convenient > entry point to get to the config dialog) > >> devilhorns >> > > OK, np :) will change and commit. dh - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:39:40 -0400 Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > hmm both are good. but the lft ends up cluttering the main menu up more. i > > think we want both - but the "Shelves" submenu needs to maybe go into > > another submenu. we need to reshuffle i think. the Desktops menu is a little > > "underused" i think with edge flip, a pager and keybindings - it is a little > > redundant. i'm not saying get rid of it, but maybe Dektops (rename to > > Desktop) can now hold a shelves submenu then put the current desktops > > submenu contents in a "Virtual" submenu of "Desktops" and move show./hide > > up to the Desktop menu. also might add a "Configure" menu item to the menu > > with "Desktop 1" etc. etc. etc. in (the named desktops). which reminds > > me... we need a gui to configure desktop names... in the virtual desktop > > config (and display them too) > > > > main->Fav > > Applications > > Run > > - > > Desktop -> Virtual -> Desktop 1 > > Shelves -> ... > > - > > Show/Hide All... > > ... > From what I gathered, your looking for something like these: > > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu1.png > http://devilhorns.us/images/menu2.png > > Yes ?? almost - except its "Configure Virtual Desktops" not just This desktop" (and it just brings up the virtual desktops config dialog - just another convenient entry point to get to the config dialog) > devilhorns > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > hmm both are good. but the lft ends up cluttering the main menu up more. i > think we want both - but the "Shelves" submenu needs to maybe go into another > submenu. we need to reshuffle i think. the Desktops menu is a little > "underused" i think with edge flip, a pager and keybindings - it is a little > redundant. i'm not saying get rid of it, but maybe Dektops (rename to Desktop) > can now hold a shelves submenu then put the current desktops submenu contents > in a "Virtual" submenu of "Desktops" and move show./hide up to the Desktop > menu. also might add a "Configure" menu item to the menu with "Desktop 1" etc. > etc. etc. in (the named desktops). which reminds me... we need a gui to > configure desktop names... in the virtual desktop config (and display them > too) > > main->Fav > Applications > Run > - > Desktop -> Virtual -> Desktop 1 > Shelves -> ... > - > Show/Hide All... > ... From what I gathered, your looking for something like these: http://devilhorns.us/images/menu1.png http://devilhorns.us/images/menu2.png Yes ?? devilhorns - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:46:07 +0200 Hannes Janetzek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Am Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:23:25 -0400 > schrieb Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I created 2 different versions for this: > > > > http://devilhorns.us/images/shelf_menu.png > > > > Version 1 has the shelves listed as a sub-menu. Clicking on an > > individual shelf will take you to the config dialog for that shelf. > > Clicking "Add a shelf" will add a new shelf, and clicking "Delete a > > shelf" will take you to the shelf list dialog, where you can select > > which one to delete. > > > > Version 2 is just a quick link to the Shelf Configuration list, where > > you can add/delete/configure shelves. > > > > Which do we want to go with? > > > > i would go with the second one, as i don´t like to many too many items > in the main menu, especially when they are seldom used, for aesthetical > and practical reasons. > > just a quick idea, what about having it like this? > > config -> shelves -> configure shelves (the old dialog) > shelf 1 > shelf 2 (for fast selection, if >one wants to change > only one shelf) > > i think lost windows could also be removed as one > gets these windows also with 'cleanup windows', ok that is probaly not > so obvious.. hm, and 'about this theme' could went to the theme > selector =) yup - things like lost windows needs to go and get hidden into some advanced menu somewhere - along with handy, useful yet "for power users only" stuff. > Regards, > Hannes > > > > Cheers, > > devilhorns > > > > - > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > > security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > > make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server > > v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > ___ enlightenment-devel > > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:48:48 -0400 Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hannes Janetzek wrote: > > > i would go with the second one, as i don´t like to many too many items > > in the main menu, especially when they are seldom used, for aesthetical > > and practical reasons. > > > But how do you determine seldom used ? Me for instance, I never use the > Desktops menu item (for switching)...does that mean it's seldom used and > should be removed? Not necessarily because others may use it. > > > just a quick idea, what about having it like this? > > > > config -> shelves -> configure shelves (the old dialog) > > shelf 1 > > shelf 2 (for fast selection, if > >one wants to change > > only one shelf) > > > IMHO, nested too deep and a pita to get to. Would be just as easy to > launch config panel and goto shelves. aye. the idea of it was to make it obvious and easily seen - after a few questions of "i deleted my shelf - how do i add one back?" i thought it might be good to add a more easily found menu item somewhere for that. they didn't connect the idea that the shelves config dialog might do it (or that it even exists) > devilhorns > > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Am Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:48:48 -0400 schrieb Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hannes Janetzek wrote: > > > i would go with the second one, as i don´t like to many too many > > items in the main menu, especially when they are seldom used, for > > aesthetical and practical reasons. > > > But how do you determine seldom used ? Me for instance, I never use > the Desktops menu item (for switching)...does that mean it's seldom > used and should be removed? Not necessarily because others may use it. > yep, you´re right i can´t remember that i´ve chosen desktops from the main menu, nut i don´t know a different category to put it in. one good point to put the shelves item into config is that it is for configuring shelves. > > just a quick idea, what about having it like this? > > > > config -> shelves -> configure shelves (the old dialog) > > shelf 1 > > shelf 2 (for fast selection, > > if one wants to change > > only one shelf) > > > IMHO, nested too deep and a pita to get to. Would be just as easy to > launch config panel and goto shelves. > hm, it´s the same nesting level as to choose an application from a category. i don´t think that this is too hard to get to there for most people. Hannes > devilhorns > > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server > v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ enlightenment-devel > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Hannes Janetzek wrote: > i would go with the second one, as i don´t like to many too many items > in the main menu, especially when they are seldom used, for aesthetical > and practical reasons. > But how do you determine seldom used ? Me for instance, I never use the Desktops menu item (for switching)...does that mean it's seldom used and should be removed? Not necessarily because others may use it. > just a quick idea, what about having it like this? > > config -> shelves -> configure shelves (the old dialog) > shelf 1 > shelf 2 (for fast selection, if >one wants to change > only one shelf) > IMHO, nested too deep and a pita to get to. Would be just as easy to launch config panel and goto shelves. devilhorns - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:23:25 -0400 Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I created 2 different versions for this: > > http://devilhorns.us/images/shelf_menu.png > > Version 1 has the shelves listed as a sub-menu. Clicking on an > individual shelf will take you to the config dialog for that shelf. > Clicking "Add a shelf" will add a new shelf, and clicking "Delete a > shelf" will take you to the shelf list dialog, where you can select > which one to delete. > > Version 2 is just a quick link to the Shelf Configuration list, where > you can add/delete/configure shelves. > > Which do we want to go with? hmm both are good. but the lft ends up cluttering the main menu up more. i think we want both - but the "Shelves" submenu needs to maybe go into another submenu. we need to reshuffle i think. the Desktops menu is a little "underused" i think with edge flip, a pager and keybindings - it is a little redundant. i'm not saying get rid of it, but maybe Dektops (rename to Desktop) can now hold a shelves submenu then put the current desktops submenu contents in a "Virtual" submenu of "Desktops" and move show./hide up to the Desktop menu. also might add a "Configure" menu item to the menu with "Desktop 1" etc. etc. etc. in (the named desktops). which reminds me... we need a gui to configure desktop names... in the virtual desktop config (and display them too) main->Fav Applications Run - Desktop -> Virtual -> Desktop 1 Shelves -> ... - Show/Hide All... ... > Cheers, > devilhorns > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
Am Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:23:25 -0400 schrieb Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I created 2 different versions for this: > > http://devilhorns.us/images/shelf_menu.png > > Version 1 has the shelves listed as a sub-menu. Clicking on an > individual shelf will take you to the config dialog for that shelf. > Clicking "Add a shelf" will add a new shelf, and clicking "Delete a > shelf" will take you to the shelf list dialog, where you can select > which one to delete. > > Version 2 is just a quick link to the Shelf Configuration list, where > you can add/delete/configure shelves. > > Which do we want to go with? > i would go with the second one, as i don´t like to many too many items in the main menu, especially when they are seldom used, for aesthetical and practical reasons. just a quick idea, what about having it like this? config -> shelves -> configure shelves (the old dialog) shelf 1 shelf 2 (for fast selection, if one wants to change only one shelf) i think lost windows could also be removed as one gets these windows also with 'cleanup windows', ok that is probaly not so obvious.. hm, and 'about this theme' could went to the theme selector =) Regards, Hannes > Cheers, > devilhorns > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server > v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ enlightenment-devel > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] "add shelf" to the main menu
I created 2 different versions for this: http://devilhorns.us/images/shelf_menu.png Version 1 has the shelves listed as a sub-menu. Clicking on an individual shelf will take you to the config dialog for that shelf. Clicking "Add a shelf" will add a new shelf, and clicking "Delete a shelf" will take you to the shelf list dialog, where you can select which one to delete. Version 2 is just a quick link to the Shelf Configuration list, where you can add/delete/configure shelves. Which do we want to go with? Cheers, devilhorns - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
