Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:07:28 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, On Oct 15, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:31:04 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, Yes, it exists. But there may be something wrong with the full path e17 is looking for: $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/enlightenment-davidray \@/ total 0 drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 . drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:25 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:19 disp-:0.0-1743%F0?? $ %F0?? ... almost looks like something became corrupt. the path buffer is limtied to 1024 bytes but your path is much less than that. the code literally is: snprintf(buf3, sizeof(buf3), %s/disp-%s-%i, buf, disp, pid); so u have buf and disp output find but pid has junk appended to it and snprintf sure as hell doesnt append that. oooh wait... ecore_con will APPEND |%i to it: snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s|%i, svr-name, svr-port); does osx disallow '|' in file paths? Yes, OSX does allow '|' (pipe symbol) in file paths. A shell interpreter is likely to fail with a pipe in the filename though. I tried this a few more times. The socket file e17 creates is always a mismatch with the file that the console message say it's looking for. I guess this is why the file menus aren't working. When the console error is: Cannot connect to enlightenment (socket '/var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T//enlightenment-davidray@/disp-:0.0-8629 The socket file created is: disp-:0.0-8629%EC?? I don't understand how snprintf(buf,sizeof(buf),%s|%i,svr-name,svr-port); can end up as %EA?? So the part of the filename appended by ecore_con is totally broken on OSX. since it seems to be a socket path limitation (in size) and you've used a long XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, TMPDIR or SD_USER_SOCKETS_DIR just to make it worse... :) i've shortened the other bits of the socket name to make it hopefully fit in - but if you make any of these env vars longer yet still u'll hit the problem again. i suggest finding a way to keep them ... short :) That is great news, but I won't be able to test it until I can build e17. Another problem has appeared on OSX and e17 (/trunk/e/) won't build for the last week. I posted about the new problem on Nov 13 but there were no replies. I will repost that in a separate thread. Dave -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:07:28 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, On Oct 15, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:31:04 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, Yes, it exists. But there may be something wrong with the full path e17 is looking for: $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/enlightenment-davidray \@/ total 0 drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 . drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:25 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:19 disp-:0.0-1743%F0?? $ %F0?? ... almost looks like something became corrupt. the path buffer is limtied to 1024 bytes but your path is much less than that. the code literally is: snprintf(buf3, sizeof(buf3), %s/disp-%s-%i, buf, disp, pid); so u have buf and disp output find but pid has junk appended to it and snprintf sure as hell doesnt append that. oooh wait... ecore_con will APPEND |%i to it: snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s|%i, svr-name, svr-port); does osx disallow '|' in file paths? Yes, OSX does allow '|' (pipe symbol) in file paths. A shell interpreter is likely to fail with a pipe in the filename though. I tried this a few more times. The socket file e17 creates is always a mismatch with the file that the console message say it's looking for. I guess this is why the file menus aren't working. When the console error is: Cannot connect to enlightenment (socket '/var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T//enlightenment-davidray@/disp-:0.0-8629 The socket file created is: disp-:0.0-8629%EC?? I don't understand how snprintf(buf,sizeof(buf),%s|%i,svr-name,svr-port); can end up as %EA?? So the part of the filename appended by ecore_con is totally broken on OSX. since it seems to be a socket path limitation (in size) and you've used a long XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, TMPDIR or SD_USER_SOCKETS_DIR just to make it worse... :) i've shortened the other bits of the socket name to make it hopefully fit in - but if you make any of these env vars longer yet still u'll hit the problem again. i suggest finding a way to keep them ... short :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On 10/17/2012 03:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:01:51 +0200 Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com said: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Dave Ray d...@jonive.com wrote: Hi, I just updated the whole e tree and still get the pthread error. I deleted the trunk/evas directory and re-updated to make sure nothing is being cached. $ autogen.sh --disable-fribidi … checking whether SVG image loader will be built... yes checking pthread.h usability... yes checking pthread.h presence... yes checking for pthread.h... yes checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes configure: error: Your pthread implementation does not have pthread_barrier_wait I think that we can implement it (doing like one would do on Windows): http://www.howforge.com/implementing-barrier-in-pthreads maybe we could add that in eina ? It seems that the following systems do not have pthread_barrier_wait : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/pthread_005fbarrier_005fwait.html so.. we have another problem. wince. due to the 16bit engine going away wince engine for evas is gone. this means it needs to use the 32bit engine, so right now we have zero engine support for wince after 1.7. in addition the eina lock infra for wince doesnt provide any cond support. this basically means i cant have a working barrier impl on wince unless conds are there, so this would break a wince engine if it were re-created to use the 32bit engine anyway. so... what do you want to do? win32 i think is ok... and i now have a eina barrier impl sitting here locally. it compiles at any rate. :) It seems the WIN_NT 0x0600 part of win32 should work on wince. The functions seems at least to exist. S. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Sebastian Dransfeld s...@tango.flipp.net wrote: On 10/17/2012 03:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:01:51 +0200 Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com said: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Dave Ray d...@jonive.com wrote: Hi, I just updated the whole e tree and still get the pthread error. I deleted the trunk/evas directory and re-updated to make sure nothing is being cached. $ autogen.sh --disable-fribidi … checking whether SVG image loader will be built... yes checking pthread.h usability... yes checking pthread.h presence... yes checking for pthread.h... yes checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes configure: error: Your pthread implementation does not have pthread_barrier_wait I think that we can implement it (doing like one would do on Windows): http://www.howforge.com/implementing-barrier-in-pthreads maybe we could add that in eina ? It seems that the following systems do not have pthread_barrier_wait : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/pthread_005fbarrier_005fwait.html so.. we have another problem. wince. due to the 16bit engine going away wince engine for evas is gone. this means it needs to use the 32bit engine, so right now we have zero engine support for wince after 1.7. in addition the eina lock infra for wince doesnt provide any cond support. this basically means i cant have a working barrier impl on wince unless conds are there, so this would break a wince engine if it were re-created to use the 32bit engine anyway. so... what do you want to do? win32 i think is ok... and i now have a eina barrier impl sitting here locally. it compiles at any rate. :) It seems the WIN_NT 0x0600 part of win32 should work on wince. The functions seems at least to exist. i also think so : we use critical sections, semaphores and events, all of them exist on win ce Vincent -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Dave Ray d...@jonive.com wrote: Hi, I just updated the whole e tree and still get the pthread error. I deleted the trunk/evas directory and re-updated to make sure nothing is being cached. $ autogen.sh --disable-fribidi … checking whether SVG image loader will be built... yes checking pthread.h usability... yes checking pthread.h presence... yes checking for pthread.h... yes checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes configure: error: Your pthread implementation does not have pthread_barrier_wait I think that we can implement it (doing like one would do on Windows): http://www.howforge.com/implementing-barrier-in-pthreads maybe we could add that in eina ? It seems that the following systems do not have pthread_barrier_wait : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/pthread_005fbarrier_005fwait.html Vincent -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:01:51 +0200 Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com said: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Dave Ray d...@jonive.com wrote: Hi, I just updated the whole e tree and still get the pthread error. I deleted the trunk/evas directory and re-updated to make sure nothing is being cached. $ autogen.sh --disable-fribidi … checking whether SVG image loader will be built... yes checking pthread.h usability... yes checking pthread.h presence... yes checking for pthread.h... yes checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes configure: error: Your pthread implementation does not have pthread_barrier_wait I think that we can implement it (doing like one would do on Windows): http://www.howforge.com/implementing-barrier-in-pthreads maybe we could add that in eina ? It seems that the following systems do not have pthread_barrier_wait : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/pthread_005fbarrier_005fwait.html Vincent so even osx isn't posix compliant? fun times. :) that howtoforge page doesnt work. :( -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:01:51 +0200 Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com said: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Dave Ray d...@jonive.com wrote: Hi, I just updated the whole e tree and still get the pthread error. I deleted the trunk/evas directory and re-updated to make sure nothing is being cached. $ autogen.sh --disable-fribidi … checking whether SVG image loader will be built... yes checking pthread.h usability... yes checking pthread.h presence... yes checking for pthread.h... yes checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes configure: error: Your pthread implementation does not have pthread_barrier_wait I think that we can implement it (doing like one would do on Windows): http://www.howforge.com/implementing-barrier-in-pthreads maybe we could add that in eina ? It seems that the following systems do not have pthread_barrier_wait : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/pthread_005fbarrier_005fwait.html so.. we have another problem. wince. due to the 16bit engine going away wince engine for evas is gone. this means it needs to use the 32bit engine, so right now we have zero engine support for wince after 1.7. in addition the eina lock infra for wince doesnt provide any cond support. this basically means i cant have a working barrier impl on wince unless conds are there, so this would break a wince engine if it were re-created to use the 32bit engine anyway. so... what do you want to do? win32 i think is ok... and i now have a eina barrier impl sitting here locally. it compiles at any rate. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:00:53 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: does /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/ exist as a dir? you know that if you set $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR or $SD_USER_SOCKETS_DIR then this dir will be used as as the ipc dir. if not set $TMPDIR is user and if that isnt set... /tmp is used. it seems you have set one of the above $ENVVARS to a dir that doesnt exist? I apologize if this has already been discussed. I have been building e17 on OSX for a few years, but there was a 6-month gap since I last tested it. Checking the SVN source now, there are a couple new issues I haven't seen before. The file selection menus in the file manager are blank. For example, if I use the Navigate menu and select any folder. The window seems to draw everything normally, just the list of files and directories are blank. See attached screen shots. Same problem with Wallaper, and other modules that involve file selection. There are a few error messages at the console when I start e17. I don't know if they are important or related to the problem. I get no errors when I open a window in e17 that has the problem. You can see the e17 console messages here: http://pastebin.com/FgK781Mm Just to be complete: On OSX, dbus-session is running but dbus-system is not. HAL doesn't support devices on Intel processors on OSX, so I turned off HAL and dbus-system. That shouldn't matter though. I always did that before and never had any problems. (Just never used temperature, cpu, etc) I don't know how far back this problem goes, since there was a 6-month gap in my testing. Any suggestions welcome. -Dave -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
Hi, Yes, it exists. But there may be something wrong with the full path e17 is looking for: $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T total 0 drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:24 . drwxr-xr-x 5 davidray davidray 170 Oct 15 07:12 .. drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 enlightenment-davidray@ srwxr-xr-x 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:13 icssuis501 $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/enlightenment-davidray\@/ total 0 drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 . drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:25 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:19 disp-:0.0-1743%F0?? $ So it looks like the dir exists, but there is a mismatch in the full path. I have no idea how these filenames are created, the % and ? in the path look weird. -Dave On Oct 15, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: does /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/ exist as a dir? you know that if you set $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR or $SD_USER_SOCKETS_DIR then this dir will be used as as the ipc dir. if not set $TMPDIR is user and if that isnt set... /tmp is used. it seems you have set one of the above $ENVVARS to a dir that doesnt exist? http://pastebin.com/FgK781Mm -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:31:04 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, Yes, it exists. But there may be something wrong with the full path e17 is looking for: $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T total 0 drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:24 . drwxr-xr-x 5 davidray davidray 170 Oct 15 07:12 .. drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 enlightenment-davidray@ srwxr-xr-x 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:13 icssuis501 $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/enlightenment-davidray \@/ total 0 drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 . drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:25 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:19 disp-:0.0-1743%F0?? $ So it looks like the dir exists, but there is a mismatch in the full path. I have no idea how these filenames are created, the % and ? in the path look weird. %F0?? ... almost looks like something became corrupt. the path buffer is limtied to 1024 bytes but your path is much less than that. the code literally is: snprintf(buf3, sizeof(buf3), %s/disp-%s-%i, buf, disp, pid); so u have buf and disp output find but pid has junk appended to it and snprintf sure as hell doesnt append that. oooh wait... ecore_con will APPEND |%i to it: snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s|%i, svr-name, svr-port); does osx disallow '|' in file paths? -Dave On Oct 15, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: does /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/ exist as a dir? you know that if you set $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR or $SD_USER_SOCKETS_DIR then this dir will be used as as the ipc dir. if not set $TMPDIR is user and if that isnt set... /tmp is used. it seems you have set one of the above $ENVVARS to a dir that doesnt exist? http://pastebin.com/FgK781Mm -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
Hi, On Oct 15, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:31:04 -0700 Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com said: Hi, Yes, it exists. But there may be something wrong with the full path e17 is looking for: $ ls -al /var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T/enlightenment-davidray \@/ total 0 drwx-- 3 davidray davidray 102 Oct 15 07:19 . drwx-- 4 davidray davidray 136 Oct 15 07:25 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 davidray davidray0 Oct 15 07:19 disp-:0.0-1743%F0?? $ %F0?? ... almost looks like something became corrupt. the path buffer is limtied to 1024 bytes but your path is much less than that. the code literally is: snprintf(buf3, sizeof(buf3), %s/disp-%s-%i, buf, disp, pid); so u have buf and disp output find but pid has junk appended to it and snprintf sure as hell doesnt append that. oooh wait... ecore_con will APPEND |%i to it: snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s|%i, svr-name, svr-port); does osx disallow '|' in file paths? Yes, OSX does allow '|' (pipe symbol) in file paths. A shell interpreter is likely to fail with a pipe in the filename though. I tried this a few more times. The socket file e17 creates is always a mismatch with the file that the console message say it's looking for. I guess this is why the file menus aren't working. When the console error is: Cannot connect to enlightenment (socket '/var/folders/p9/p447lsgn76z04gn3hdvlzgs4gn/T//enlightenment-davidray@/disp-:0.0-8629 The socket file created is: disp-:0.0-8629%EC?? I don't understand how snprintf(buf,sizeof(buf),%s|%i,svr-name,svr-port); can end up as %EA?? So the part of the filename appended by ecore_con is totally broken on OSX. -Dave -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] e17 on OSX: blank file menus
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Dave Ray ap...@jonive.com wrote: I apologize if this has already been discussed. I have been building e17 on OSX for a few years, but there was a 6-month gap since I last tested it. Checking the SVN source now, there are a couple new issues I haven't seen before. The file selection menus in the file manager are blank. For example, if I use the Navigate menu and select any folder. The window seems to draw everything normally, just the list of files and directories are blank. See attached screen shots. I don't see them. Did you forget to attach them ? Vincent Same problem with Wallaper, and other modules that involve file selection. There are a few error messages at the console when I start e17. I don't know if they are important or related to the problem. I get no errors when I open a window in e17 that has the problem. You can see the e17 console messages here: http://pastebin.com/FgK781Mm Just to be complete: On OSX, dbus-session is running but dbus-system is not. HAL doesn't support devices on Intel processors on OSX, so I turned off HAL and dbus-system. That shouldn't matter though. I always did that before and never had any problems. (Just never used temperature, cpu, etc) I don't know how far back this problem goes, since there was a 6-month gap in my testing. Any suggestions welcome. -Dave -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel