Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
 said:

> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently.

umm the news items you published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND
end) you have to proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it
appeared. i just set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet
points - made the quotes... :)

also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:

  * xxx

stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of them and
a series of them.

so i used either

> xxx
> yyy

or 

  - xxx
  - yyy

etc. :)

> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all.

ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt intended
to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit differently
though.

> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> for doing news updates.

oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your main
issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git checkout
to see what i edited/fixed. :)

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I can provide wordpress site hosting if you guys like. I can get on IRC
at some point to discuss the options.

On 2016-04-12 23:46, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:

> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently.
> 
> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all.
> 
> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> for doing news updates.
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
I think discussing major infrastructure changes like this on the public
(archived) mailing list is probably for the best in order to avoid future
confusion.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:09 AM Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> I can provide wordpress site hosting if you guys like. I can get on IRC at
> some point to discuss the options.
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-04-12 23:46, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
>
> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently.
>
> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all.
>
> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> for doing news updates.
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
>  said:
>
> > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> > Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> > release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought
> it
> > had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is
> on
> > the news feed, but it only appeared there recently.
>
> umm the news items you published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND
> end) you have to proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it
> appeared. i just set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your
> bullet
> points - made the quotes... :)
>

Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.


>
> also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
>
>   * xxx
>
> stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> them and
> a series of them.
>
> so i used either
>
> > xxx
> > yyy
>
> or
>
>   - xxx
>   - yyy
>
> etc. :)
>
> > Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no
> ability
> > to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> > changes work at all.
>
> ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> intended
> to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> differently
> though.
>

Go on...


>
> > I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> > can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> > for doing news updates.
>
> oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> main
> issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> checkout
> to see what i edited/fixed. :)
>

I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of features
(no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no discrete
links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.


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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for?

On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
>  said:
> 
> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it 
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on 
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. 
> umm the news items you published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND
> end) you have to proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it
> appeared. i just set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your
> bullet
> points - made the quotes... :)

Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.

> also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> 
> * xxx
> 
> stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> them and
> a series of them.
> 
> so i used either
> 
>> xxx
>> yyy
> 
> or
> 
> - xxx
> - yyy
> 
> etc. :)
> 
>> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no
> ability 
> 
>> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
>> changes work at all.
> 
> ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> intended
> to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> differently
> though.

Go on...

>> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
>> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
>> for doing news updates.
> 
> oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> main
> issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> checkout
> to see what i edited/fixed. :)

I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
features
(no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
discrete
links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
said:

> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
> thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
> community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
> matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
> of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
> need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for?

having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
permanently.

> On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
> >  said:
> > 
> > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> > Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> > release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> > had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> > the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> > published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> > proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> > set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> > made the quotes... :)
> 
> Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> 
> > also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> > 
> > * xxx
> > 
> > stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> > them and
> > a series of them.
> > 
> > so i used either
> > 
> >> xxx
> >> yyy
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > - xxx
> > - yyy
> > 
> > etc. :)
> > 
> >> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no
> > ability 
> > 
> >> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> >> changes work at all.
> > 
> > ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> > intended
> > to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> > differently
> > though.
> 
> Go on...
> 
> >> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> >> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> >> for doing news updates.
> > 
> > oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> > main
> > issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> > checkout
> > to see what i edited/fixed. :)
> 
> I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
> features
> (no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
> discrete
> links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.
> 
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:25:45 + Mike Blumenkrantz
 said:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
> >  said:
> >
> > > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> > > Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> > > release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought
> > it
> > > had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is
> > on
> > > the news feed, but it only appeared there recently.
> >
> > umm the news items you published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND
> > end) you have to proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it
> > appeared. i just set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your
> > bullet
> > points - made the quotes... :)
> >
> 
> Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.

it's a pretty dumb news plugin. it seemed ok when i tried it out. i figured
that out first time i used it and didn't enter a stop date. it didn't take me
long. :)

if you hit the edit button link on the news item you get the whole page in
markup and you can preview then too.

> > also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> >
> >   * xxx
> >
> > stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> > them and
> > a series of them.
> >
> > so i used either
> >
> > > xxx
> > > yyy
> >
> > or
> >
> >   - xxx
> >   - yyy
> >
> > etc. :)
> >
> > > Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no
> > ability
> > > to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> > > changes work at all.
> >
> > ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> > intended
> > to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> > differently
> > though.
> >
> 
> Go on...
> 
> 
> >
> > > I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> > > can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> > > for doing news updates.
> >
> > oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> > main
> > issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> > checkout
> > to see what i edited/fixed. :)
> >
> 
> I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of features
> (no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no discrete
> links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.

no images? you can put in links to any url... ? yeah - sure. specific news
links you get when clicking the title:

https://www.enlightenment.org/news/allnewsdata#20160309094333

but it seems to .. not work. well not jumpscroll to the right article

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
not going anywhere. Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of
keeping everythign up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down
rather tightly and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc.

On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
> said:
> 
>> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
>> thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
>> community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
>> matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
>> of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
>> need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for?
> 
> having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
> another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
> point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
> permanently.
> 
> On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
>  said:
> 
> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> made the quotes... :) 
> Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> 
> also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> 
> * xxx
> 
> stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> them and
> a series of them.
> 
> so i used either
> 
> xxx
> yyy 
> or
> 
> - xxx
> - yyy
> 
> etc. :)
> 
> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability 
> 
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all. 
> ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> intended
> to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> differently
> though.

Go on...

>> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
>> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
>> for doing news updates.
> 
> oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> main
> issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> checkout
> to see what i edited/fixed. :)

I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
features
(no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
discrete
links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:00:49 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
said:

> Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
> not going anywhere. Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of
> keeping everythign up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down
> rather tightly and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc.

and if you get run over by a bus? (the usual question for becoming dependent on
someone entirely for an important feature) :)

> On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
> >  said:
> > 
> >> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
> >> thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
> >> community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
> >> matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
> >> of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
> >> need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for?
> > 
> > having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
> > another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
> > point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
> > permanently.
> > 
> > On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
> >  said:
> > 
> > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> > Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> > release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> > had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> > the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> > published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> > proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> > set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> > made the quotes... :) 
> > Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> > 
> > also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> > 
> > * xxx
> > 
> > stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> > them and
> > a series of them.
> > 
> > so i used either
> > 
> > xxx
> > yyy 
> > or
> > 
> > - xxx
> > - yyy
> > 
> > etc. :)
> > 
> > Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability 
> > 
> > to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> > changes work at all. 
> > ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> > intended
> > to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> > differently
> > though.
> 
> Go on...
> 
> >> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> >> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> >> for doing news updates.
> > 
> > oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> > main
> > issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> > checkout
> > to see what i edited/fixed. :)
> 
> I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
> features
> (no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
> discrete
> links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.
> 
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:00:49 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
 wrote:

> Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
> not going anywhere.

Well, there's another way it could go away, is it immune to buses?  Or
rather, is it immune to you being hit by a bus?

If I recall correctly, the current hosting is provided by a large
organisation.  Likely immune to buses.

I also run a public, well connected server, where it would be trivial
for me to add and maintain more web sites, but it's not immune to
buses, so I'm not offering it here.  Despite the fact that I've been a
developer around here for many years.  At one point I had full sudo
access to the E servers, or at least one of them.  It was still there
last time I checked.  I have done remote sysadmin work on identical
hardware for a scientific research company for several years.  So if
I offered it, Carsten might jump at it, except for the buses.

It's a beefy server to, built for running 3D virtual worlds, it doesn't
even notice the load of the web sites it currently has.


Just notice he replied with buses to.  lol

> Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of keeping everythign
> up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down rather tightly
> and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc.
> 
> On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
> >  said:
> > 
> >> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style
> >> setup. One thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us
> >> to gauge the community as a whole with new news and features etc.
> >> Then it becomes a matter of moderating the comments. I am willing
> >> to help with maintenance of the website and running wordpress as
> >> well as get it up and running if need be. Would hosting be
> >> something you guys would be up for paying for?
> > 
> > having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting
> > with yet another piece of infra in yet another place that could be
> > shut down at any point relying on it for an official news feed that
> > we want to keep around permanently.
> > 
> > On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
> >  said:
> > 
> > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't
> > work. Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue
> > with the last release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done
> > after that and thought it had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the
> > post I tried to make for that is on the news feed, but it only
> > appeared there recently. umm the news items you published had no
> > valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to proivde the
> > range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just set
> > end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> > made the quotes... :) Wow, and it can't even show an error page?
> > Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> > 
> > also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> > 
> > * xxx
> > 
> > stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all
> > of them and
> > a series of them.
> > 
> > so i used either
> > 
> > xxx
> > yyy 
> > or
> > 
> > - xxx
> > - yyy
> > 
> > etc. :)
> > 
> > Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no
> > ability 
> > 
> > to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming
> > that the changes work at all. 
> > ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> > intended
> > to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> > differently
> > though.
> 
> Go on...
> 
> >> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site
> >> (even it can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress
> >> instance on the site for doing news updates.
> > 
> > oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the
> > above. :) your main
> > issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the
> > git checkout
> > to see what i edited/fixed. :)
> 
> I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
> features
> (no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
> discrete
> links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.
> 
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
as I have mentioned in another thread I am willing to help with
infrastructure. I can setup a wordpress instance on current E
infrastructure. Wordpress doesnt take me long to install at all.

On 2016-04-14 07:26, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:00:49 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
> said:
> 
>> Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
>> not going anywhere. Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of
>> keeping everythign up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down
>> rather tightly and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc.
> 
> and if you get run over by a bus? (the usual question for becoming dependent 
> on
> someone entirely for an important feature) :)
> 
> On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
>  said:
> 
> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
> thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
> community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
> matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
> of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
> need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for? 
> having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
> another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
> point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
> permanently.
> 
> On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
>  said:
> 
> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> made the quotes... :) 
> Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> 
> also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> 
> * xxx
> 
> stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> them and
> a series of them.
> 
> so i used either
> 
> xxx
> yyy 
> or
> 
> - xxx
> - yyy
> 
> etc. :)
> 
> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability 
> 
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all. 
> ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> intended
> to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> differently
> though.

Go on...

>> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
>> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
>> for doing news updates.
> 
> oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> main
> issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> checkout
> to see what i edited/fixed. :)

I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
features
(no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
discrete
links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:04:57 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
said:

> as I have mentioned in another thread I am willing to help with
> infrastructure. I can setup a wordpress instance on current E
> infrastructure. Wordpress doesnt take me long to install at all.

that is better. BUT as i said... then someone has to sit down and do all the
css and templates and keep them synced. it's yet another database to maintain.
who is going to do that and do it right? not just db but all the css. :)

there's at least 5 plugins for dokuwiki that do blogs. i chose one of the news
plugins that existed as it had an edit ui. i didnt look at everything. but
wordpress is going at a cockroach with a sledgehammer. :) at least let's
exhaust dokuwiki solutions first before going for a sledgehammer.

> On 2016-04-14 07:26, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:00:49 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
> >  said:
> > 
> >> Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
> >> not going anywhere. Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of
> >> keeping everythign up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down
> >> rather tightly and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc.
> > 
> > and if you get run over by a bus? (the usual question for becoming
> > dependent on someone entirely for an important feature) :)
> > 
> > On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
> >  said:
> > 
> > I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
> > thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
> > community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
> > matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
> > of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
> > need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for? 
> > having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
> > another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
> > point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
> > permanently.
> > 
> > On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
> >  said:
> > 
> > I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> > Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> > release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> > had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> > the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> > published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> > proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> > set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> > made the quotes... :) 
> > Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> > 
> > also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> > 
> > * xxx
> > 
> > stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> > them and
> > a series of them.
> > 
> > so i used either
> > 
> > xxx
> > yyy 
> > or
> > 
> > - xxx
> > - yyy
> > 
> > etc. :)
> > 
> > Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability 
> > 
> > to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> > changes work at all. 
> > ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> > intended
> > to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> > differently
> > though.
> 
> Go on...
> 
> >> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
> >> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
> >> for doing news updates.
> > 
> > oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> > main
> > issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> > checkout
> > to see what i edited/fixed. :)
> 
> I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
> features
> (no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
> discrete
> links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.
> 
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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-14 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:44:17 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:04:57 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
>  said:
> 
> > as I have mentioned in another thread I am willing to help with
> > infrastructure. I can setup a wordpress instance on current E
> > infrastructure. Wordpress doesnt take me long to install at all.
> 
> that is better. BUT as i said... then someone has to sit down and do
> all the css and templates and keep them synced. it's yet another
> database to maintain. who is going to do that and do it right? not
> just db but all the css. :)
> 
> there's at least 5 plugins for dokuwiki that do blogs. i chose one of
> the news plugins that existed as it had an edit ui. i didnt look at
> everything. but wordpress is going at a cockroach with a
> sledgehammer. :) at least let's exhaust dokuwiki solutions first
> before going for a sledgehammer.

Oddly enough, my SledjHamr project includes plans for some sort of low
resource / high speed built in web server that includes some basic
wiki / forum / blog functions.  I've not considered building cockroach
models for the SledjHamr virtual world system, though I have seen
butterflies and other insects in Second Life.  B-)

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Re: [E-devel] news page publishing broken

2016-04-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You can actually find alot of great free templates that would require
very little to no modifications. but in the end you decide. I am just in
the massive spec of the E universe. 

On 2016-04-14 09:44, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:04:57 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina 
> said:
> 
>> as I have mentioned in another thread I am willing to help with
>> infrastructure. I can setup a wordpress instance on current E
>> infrastructure. Wordpress doesnt take me long to install at all.
> 
> that is better. BUT as i said... then someone has to sit down and do all the
> css and templates and keep them synced. it's yet another database to maintain.
> who is going to do that and do it right? not just db but all the css. :)
> 
> there's at least 5 plugins for dokuwiki that do blogs. i chose one of the news
> plugins that existed as it had an edit ui. i didnt look at everything. but
> wordpress is going at a cockroach with a sledgehammer. :) at least let's
> exhaust dokuwiki solutions first before going for a sledgehammer.
> 
> On 2016-04-14 07:26, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:00:49 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
>  said:
> 
> Carsten I understand your concern, but unless I cancel this server its
> not going anywhere. Plus it will be easy to manage for me in terms of
> keeping everythign up to date as it has plesk which i have locked down
> rather tightly and it will allow easy updating of plugins themes etc. 
> and if you get run over by a bus? (the usual question for becoming
> dependent on someone entirely for an important feature) :)
> 
> On 2016-04-14 01:16, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:42:32 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina
>  said:
> 
> I offer hosting services if you guys are up for a blog style setup. One
> thing I like about wordpress is that it will allow us to gauge the
> community as a whole with new news and features etc.  Then it becomes a
> matter of moderating the comments. I am willing to help with maintenance
> of the website and running wordpress as well as get it up and running if
> need be. Would hosting be something you guys would be up for paying for? 
> having had people come and go i dislike having yet more hosting with yet
> another piece of infra in yet another place that could be shut down at any
> point relying on it for an official news feed that we want to keep around
> permanently.
> 
> On 2016-04-13 16:25, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:46:29 + Mike Blumenkrantz
>  said:
> 
> I've tried making some news updates to the new page and it doesn't work.
> Clicking publish takes me to a blank page. I had this issue with the last
> release (0.20.6), but I saw some work being done after that and thought it
> had been fixed--it wasn't. Somehow the post I tried to make for that is on
> the news feed, but it only appeared there recently. umm the news items you
> published had no valid publish date RANGE (begin AND end) you have to
> proivde the range. i fixed your news posts that's why it appeared. i just
> set end date to like 2099-01-01 i also removed all your bullet points -
> made the quotes... :) 
> Wow, and it can't even show an error page? Thanks for fixing it I guess.
> 
> also you can't use bullet points in a news article. no:
> 
> * xxx
> 
> stuff. then it works. you have a start date and no stop date in all of
> them and
> a series of them.
> 
> so i used either
> 
> xxx
> yyy 
> or
> 
> - xxx
> - yyy
> 
> etc. :)
> 
> Beyond the fact that it doesn't currently work, the new page has no ability 
> 
> to preview, meaning that every change sends more mails, assuming that the
> changes work at all. 
> ignore the mails. it's a bi-product of using a git back-end. it isnt
> intended
> to be perfect. and in fact you can do previews you have to edit
> differently
> though.

Go on...

>> I think we need to either go back to the phabricator news site (even it
>> can't theme, at least it works) or start a wordpress instance on the site
>> for doing news updates.
> 
> oh god no. not another site to style and maintain. try the above. :) your
> main
> issue is simply not providing a stop date. look at the file in the git
> checkout
> to see what i edited/fixed. :)

I still dislike using this wiki for news. Aside from the lack of
features
(no images, bullets, direct ticket/commit links, ...), there's no
discrete
links for news items--all links end up loading the entire page.

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