Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:19:51 +1000, David Seikel wrote: Thanks, Kim and David: Am I missing something obvious or is this not a workable combination. Um... e16 should be compatible with just about anything, but engage seems to be somewhat less functional than it has been. EFL APIs move on, but engage has no maintenance being done. So it sits and it's bits rot. It's such a shame because engage really had super qualities and appeal. You're right about the APIs David. But on the cvs logs, I saw some minor action in cvs several weeks ago. Not enough though to make it work right. (or because I did not have enough information to make it work right due to lack of doc). IMVHO, marrying a product to a particular OS or WM is a poor choice. Making engage only compatible with E17 as a module and forsaking standalone is a shame. I think that if engage standalone is to survive, it will have to fork off the existing modular project and become independent. Next, it will have to have a standardized, non-eap-style, method of accessing programs and objects. .desktop files are so small as are most png files, there's no point to package them. Anyway, thanks for preventing me from beating my head against a wall (for now, anyway). :) -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:44:22 +0200 Stéphane Bauland [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Christopher Michael wrote: Andreas Volz wrote: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! regards Andreas This bug was closed because it is an enchancement that is not going to happen. I thought I left a comment there...hmm. At any rate, this is no longer possible with e17. There used to be the gadman code in e17 todo this, but raster has removed it. IIRC he said that it was not coming back. devilhorns Hi! I just have a think to that, you could said that's wrong or not ;) I just said that from my user side. But why shelves couldn't have an option to be placed not only on screen's edges ? If i remenber, Mo0m spoke me about that some times ago, and i'm agree with him, that's could be amazing. I'm agree with raster too, gadgets under windows is *not really* fun. But peoples like me think that ibar, pager and ibox are sweet contained under shelves, but a rss feed (like erss), a mail info box, a weather or a clock modules could get a place under windows. nothing stops these doing that - but they don't use the gadget code. dropshadow is a module - it draws shadows on the desktop - flame is the same. they can display anywhere. they don't use the gadget handling code. this is all possible - but i don't see the point of making some easy auto-layout infrastructure for it all. gadcon was about bringing the myriad of gadgets under stricter control where they can auto-layout better. the majority of gadgets want/need that. a few don't. these few can place themselves as they like. it's not impossible - it just is more manual/different. To conclude, i just want to know what a free placement option is so deprecated ? - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Bauland Stephane (aka rookmoot) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:15:35 + (UTC) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:19:51 +1000, David Seikel wrote: Thanks, Kim and David: Am I missing something obvious or is this not a workable combination. Um... e16 should be compatible with just about anything, but engage seems to be somewhat less functional than it has been. EFL APIs move on, but engage has no maintenance being done. So it sits and it's bits rot. It's such a shame because engage really had super qualities and appeal. You're right about the APIs David. But on the cvs logs, I saw some minor action in cvs several weeks ago. Not enough though to make it work right. (or because I did not have enough information to make it work right due to lack of doc). IMVHO, marrying a product to a particular OS or WM is a poor choice. Making engage only compatible with E17 as a module and forsaking standalone is a shame. I think that if engage standalone is to survive, it will have to fork off the existing modular project and become independent. Next, it will have to have a standardized, non-eap-style, method of accessing programs and objects. .desktop files are so small as are most png files, there's no point to package them. Anyway, thanks for preventing me from beating my head against a wall (for now, anyway). :) e17 no longer uses eaps - it uses .desktop files just like gnome/kde (it follows the standards). again - it's in engage's ball court. efl/e has moved on during development. -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] e17setroot
Hi! I've compiled e17 from cvs using e17easy.sh script, but althought there's a e17setroot.c in source tree I can't find it's binary form in bin/. Why? Thank's in advance. -- Daniele Giglio Dona i tuoi cicli di clock alla ricerca! dgiglio(a)iol.it http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ La democrazia e' un piccolo nucleo basato sul comune accordo, circondato da una vasta gamma di differenze. -- James Bryant Conant - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:05:09 +0200 giglio robbo' d'acciaio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've compiled e17 from cvs using e17easy.sh script, but althought there's a e17setroot.c in source tree I can't find it's binary form in bin/. Why? All the e_utils are not built by default, you have to enable what ever ones you want built. e17setroot is considered to be an evil hack and raster has said he might remove support for it one day. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
Am Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:13:18 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:42:56 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! it's not being added back because it's generally a silly feature (gadgets get covered by windows all the time) and no developer wants to spend time on it as the general view among the developers is that What is the difference to the desktop icons like trash, home folder and mount points? They're also covered by windows all the time. I don't think that one could argument that way. I could for example imagine that one screen holds all my nice and useful desktop modules. If I open no window there I've no problems. Don't assume how anybody uses a desktop environment. :-) it is a dubiously useful feature. patches accepted. This is good to read. In the past I waited for this feature to come back. Now I know that it'll not come back from alone. My knowledge of the EFL is growing more and more, but I never hacked in E itself. Are there any experienced E developers that like this feature too and will spend work for a solution? regards Andreas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E17 System/Suspend
Hello E users I've just installed the Fedora 7 RPMs of E17 and it works great apart from the left click on background/System/Suspend or Hibernate doesn't work. I have a IBM Thinkpad T41. Does anyone know why? Alternatively does E17 produce any logs or can you point me towards the right code module? In the meantime running gnome-power-manager makes the the thinkpad suspend button work. Thanks Jasper - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Layout modual
well after doing the last update I had no desktop icons and was I able to access any directories on the hard drive from the main menu and once again my windows open full screen once again. I have resolve the first by reloading the modules since the update disabled them. the last one when all of my windows open full screen does not seem to fix, I have the layout module loaded but can not configure it or enable or disable it with out unloading it. i am use enlightenment on Fedora 7 I use the dc-f7-yum-repo-1.0-1http://sps.nus.edu.sg/%7Edidierbe/share/dc-f7-yum-repo-1.0-1.fc7.noarch.rpm from http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/ http://sps.nus.edu.sg/%7Edidierbe/. -- Diolch yn fawr, Ashley - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thursday, 23 August 2007, at 10:15:35 (+), Peter wrote: I think that if engage standalone is to survive, it will have to fork off the existing modular project and become independent. Next, it will have to have a standardized, non-eap-style, method of accessing programs and objects. .desktop files are so small as are most png files, there's no point to package them. It's free software. If you think you know what needs to be done, do it. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Narrow is the road and too high a price to pay when loneliness is such a sanctuary. Empty are the musings and wasted are the days when you say you were only waiting. -- Jars of Clay, Famous Last Words - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:51:38 -0400, Michael Jennings wrote: snip... It's free software. If you think you know what needs to be done, do it. Michael Well, I don't use e17 and don't know EFL, so I would not know what needs to be done. I don't think porting it to gtk or qt is worth the time. -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 System/Suspend
Jasper Humphrey wrote: Hello E users I've just installed the Fedora 7 RPMs of E17 and it works great apart from the left click on background/System/Suspend or Hibernate doesn't work. I have a IBM Thinkpad T41. Does anyone know why? Alternatively does E17 produce any logs or can you point me towards the right code module? In the meantime running gnome-power-manager makes the the thinkpad suspend button work. Thanks Jasper have a look in the archives, there was a thread about this a week ago. Cheers Jochen - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:34:54 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:05:09 +0200 giglio robbo' d'acciaio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've compiled e17 from cvs using e17easy.sh script, but althought there's a e17setroot.c in source tree I can't find it's binary form in bin/. Why? All the e_utils are not built by default, you have to enable what ever ones you want built. e17setroot is considered to be an evil hack and raster has said he might remove support for it one day. well not for it - specifically, but remove ipc support, and e17setroot is a very evil hack to get transperency. imho - you want transparenecy - use a composite manager and terminals with ARGB dest support. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:17:11 + (UTC) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:51:38 -0400, Michael Jennings wrote: snip... It's free software. If you think you know what needs to be done, do it. Michael Well, I don't use e17 and don't know EFL, so I would not know what needs to be done. I don't think porting it to gtk or qt is worth the time. there is no need to port to gtk - there is simply need to keep up with small api changes as we make them to underlying libraries - or even make use of new libraries that bring support for things like fdo .desktop standards etc. -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 System/Suspend
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:27:22 +1200 Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Jasper Humphrey wrote: Hello E users I've just installed the Fedora 7 RPMs of E17 and it works great apart from the left click on background/System/Suspend or Hibernate doesn't work. I have a IBM Thinkpad T41. Does anyone know why? Alternatively does E17 produce any logs or can you point me towards the right code module? In the meantime running gnome-power-manager makes the the thinkpad suspend button work. Thanks Jasper have a look in the archives, there was a thread about this a week ago. look at sysactions.conf - text file intended to be packager/sysadmin friendly. Cheers Jochen - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:24:01 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:13:18 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:42:56 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! it's not being added back because it's generally a silly feature (gadgets get covered by windows all the time) and no developer wants to spend time on it as the general view among the developers is that What is the difference to the desktop icons like trash, home folder and mount points? They're also covered by windows all the time. I don't think that one could argument that way. I could for example imagine that one screen holds all my nice and useful desktop modules. If I open no window there I've no problems. Don't assume how anybody uses a desktop environment. :-) it is a dubiously useful feature. patches accepted. This is good to read. In the past I waited for this feature to come back. Now I know that it'll not come back from alone. My knowledge of the EFL is growing more and more, but I never hacked in E itself. Are there any experienced E developers that like this feature too and will spend work for a solution? NB: in theory gadcon (the new gadget system) CAN do this - you need to 1. add a general 2d layout handler (the current is 1d), and 2. provide a gadcon on the desktop. currently the only thing providing gadcons is the shelf. i designed gadcon to be much more generic than the old gadman - so in theory gadcons can go into popups, menus, titlebars, the desktop etc. BUT - i just don't want to sink the time and effort into a 2d layout + gadcon provision for the desktop. as per my other mail- just because gadcon doesn't do this doesn't mean modules can't go and create Desktop elements anyway. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
