Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Saturday 28 February 2009 22:46:43 Matthew Morgan wrote: Anyway, my gtk fonts looked fine as soon as I removed the custom stuff I put in .gtkrc to fix them. I think KDE is managing both KDE-QT and GTK when you start kcminit. It'd be nice if it wasn't so complicated. Somewhere deep inside kcontrol|systemsettings is a checkbox along the lines of Make my gtk apps look like my kde apps. I think that's the one responsible for that behaviour. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Friday 27 February 2009 21:01:55 Matthew Morgan wrote: On Friday 27 February 2009 15:52:05 Matthew Morgan wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered sometime on this list, but I've searched google for an hour now, and can't find the answer. I recently switched from KDE to enlightenment. When I use kde applications in e17, the font settings don't get loaded. For instance, the fonts in Quanta are very small. I've tried using qtconfig; it has no effect. I noticed that if I run kcontrol and change the font size, then change it back, my font settings get loaded. Is there a way to make this happen at startup? Also, when using the kcontrol work around, my gtk fonts get changed. This is sort of annoying, but I guess I could live with it. When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. Ah! This is exactly what I needed. It still makes my gtk fonts too big, but I think I can fix that in kcontrol. Thank you very much! If you manage to figure out *why* it works, please tell me. I tried, and got hopelessly lost. Understanding all the bits that go to make a KDE or Gnome session start up and work coherently is beyond me. I don't plan on trying to figure it out. It works. ;) Anyway, my gtk fonts looked fine as soon as I removed the custom stuff I put in .gtkrc to fix them. I think KDE is managing both KDE-QT and GTK when you start kcminit. It'd be nice if it wasn't so complicated. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Friday 27 February 2009 15:52:05 Matthew Morgan wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered sometime on this list, but I've searched google for an hour now, and can't find the answer. I recently switched from KDE to enlightenment. When I use kde applications in e17, the font settings don't get loaded. For instance, the fonts in Quanta are very small. I've tried using qtconfig; it has no effect. I noticed that if I run kcontrol and change the font size, then change it back, my font settings get loaded. Is there a way to make this happen at startup? Also, when using the kcontrol work around, my gtk fonts get changed. This is sort of annoying, but I guess I could live with it. When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Friday 27 February 2009 15:52:05 Matthew Morgan wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered sometime on this list, but I've searched google for an hour now, and can't find the answer. I recently switched from KDE to enlightenment. When I use kde applications in e17, the font settings don't get loaded. For instance, the fonts in Quanta are very small. I've tried using qtconfig; it has no effect. I noticed that if I run kcontrol and change the font size, then change it back, my font settings get loaded. Is there a way to make this happen at startup? Also, when using the kcontrol work around, my gtk fonts get changed. This is sort of annoying, but I guess I could live with it. When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. Ah! This is exactly what I needed. It still makes my gtk fonts too big, but I think I can fix that in kcontrol. Thank you very much! -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Friday 27 February 2009 21:01:55 Matthew Morgan wrote: On Friday 27 February 2009 15:52:05 Matthew Morgan wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered sometime on this list, but I've searched google for an hour now, and can't find the answer. I recently switched from KDE to enlightenment. When I use kde applications in e17, the font settings don't get loaded. For instance, the fonts in Quanta are very small. I've tried using qtconfig; it has no effect. I noticed that if I run kcontrol and change the font size, then change it back, my font settings get loaded. Is there a way to make this happen at startup? Also, when using the kcontrol work around, my gtk fonts get changed. This is sort of annoying, but I guess I could live with it. When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. Ah! This is exactly what I needed. It still makes my gtk fonts too big, but I think I can fix that in kcontrol. Thank you very much! If you manage to figure out *why* it works, please tell me. I tried, and got hopelessly lost. Understanding all the bits that go to make a KDE or Gnome session start up and work coherently is beyond me. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
2009/2/27 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On Friday 27 February 2009 21:01:55 Matthew Morgan wrote: When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. Ah! This is exactly what I needed. It still makes my gtk fonts too big, but I think I can fix that in kcontrol. Thank you very much! If you manage to figure out *why* it works, please tell me. I tried, and got hopelessly lost. Understanding all the bits that go to make a KDE or Gnome session start up and work coherently is beyond me. There's a similar service with gnome (gnome-settings-daemon). While theme information is persisted and used automatically, GTK applications (and, I imagine, QT applications) don't automatically determine the DPI for your monitor, or if they do, don't scale appropriately. kcminit and gnome-settings-daemon will do so. I believe that's the issue, anyway. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Friday 27 February 2009 21:49:18 Chris Wright wrote: 2009/2/27 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On Friday 27 February 2009 21:01:55 Matthew Morgan wrote: When I still had kde-3.5.* I found that running kcminit at start of session fixed both the kde and gtk fonts. I have no idea why this worked, only that it produced the results I wanted. Ah! This is exactly what I needed. It still makes my gtk fonts too big, but I think I can fix that in kcontrol. Thank you very much! If you manage to figure out *why* it works, please tell me. I tried, and got hopelessly lost. Understanding all the bits that go to make a KDE or Gnome session start up and work coherently is beyond me. There's a similar service with gnome (gnome-settings-daemon). While theme information is persisted and used automatically, GTK applications (and, I imagine, QT applications) don't automatically determine the DPI for your monitor, or if they do, don't scale appropriately. kcminit and gnome-settings-daemon will do so. I believe that's the issue, anyway. Well that certainly sounds reasonable enough. Running kcminit in an established e17 session pretty much does to fonts what adjusting the dpi in kcontrol does. It's confusing, because I would expect a KDE app to cause to start any settings service it needs (either directly or via kdelibs via Qt or whatever). Otherwise one gets oddities like a machine with Gnome and KDE, and starting kmail in Gnome makes fonts look completely different from in KDE. That's confusing enough to users to warrant a mechanism to avoid it. At least that's my take on the matter. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] kde app fonts
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:03:07 -0500 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net
said:
It would appear that on Feb 27, Alan McKinnon did say:
On Friday 27 February 2009 21:49:18 Chris Wright wrote:
There's a similar service with gnome (gnome-settings-daemon). While
theme information is persisted and used automatically, GTK
applications (and, I imagine, QT applications) don't automatically
determine the DPI for your monitor, or if they do, don't scale
appropriately. kcminit and gnome-settings-daemon will do so.
I believe that's the issue, anyway.
Well that certainly sounds reasonable enough. Running kcminit in an
established e17 session pretty much does to fonts what adjusting the dpi in
kcontrol does.
Hi, I'm a multi-boot guy ( used to be a dedicated kde guy until I
figured out that the future of kde {=4.x} is NOT my cup of tea.)
Now I'm in the process of learning how to get/use/and configure e17 on 3
different linux distros on both an old athalon x86 desktop and an amd_64
laptop. This idea of fixing application font issues on startup with
this kcminit is good news to me! But you specifically mentioned using
an established e17 session... This makes me doubt that I can feed it
to e17 via the .xinitrc file... I suspect that would be for the same
reason(s) why I can't run enlightenment_remote commands in an xterm
started via the .xinitrc. Two questions:
1) How would I get it to run automatically on E17 startup?
(I mean I don't see it listed in the list of applications
in settingssettings pannelappsstartup applications.)
create a .desktop file for it .. and life will be easy :) you can than
select/add it :)
2) Does anybody know if kcminit still works in kde4.x???
(Since I'm liable to keep kde around for the applications I'm
used to, even when I can't stomach it's improved interface.)
When/if I ever finish with a learning experience installing e1t
to my Sabayon via portage I'll probably fire up e17 on my
kubuntu intrepid and empirically test kcminit in it's (my
only) kde4 environment. If it works I'll follow up on this
message. But if it's a new command like they replaced
kcontrol with systemsettings, I wouldn't have a clue what to
try. So any clues/suggestions would be most welcome.
Thanks!
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