[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 14. 04. 20 18:46, Troy Dawson wrote:

Yep, I'm having a hard time finding anything relevant to test.
I have verified it doesn't conflict with any other rpm macro, but I'm
pretty sure you had already checked that.
So, I'm giving it a thumbs up.
And I'll give it a thumbs up on the pull requests as well.



EPEL 7 update and buildroot override:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-3c0bec7842
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/overrides/epel-rpm-macros-7-24


EPEL 8 update and buildroot override:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-d2bb92fb39
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/overrides/epel-rpm-macros-8-10


I've disabled both time based and karma based push. We can observe the EPEL 
builds and decide whether to push this or not in ~1 month.



In case something is needed for EPEL 8 Playground, please do so, I have no idea 
really, sorry about that.



Thanks, Troy.
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Troy Dawson
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:27 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 14. 04. 20 17:40, Troy Dawson wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 14. 04. 20 15:56, Troy Dawson wrote:
> >>> Hi Miro,
> >>> I've taken a look, but haven't done any testing.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>> EPEL6 patch - no.  Even if it works, I'd say no.  We're at the last 7
> >>> months before EOL and I don't want the EPEL6 stuff to have changes
> >>> like this.  I could be outvoted by this, but I believe most of the
> >>> other EPEL packagers would feel this way.
> >>
> >> Makes perfect sense.
> >>
> >>> EPEL7 patch - This would require some testing.  When we tried to turn
> >>> on the python automatic-dependency checking, there were things that
> >>> broke on EPEL7 so they never got implemented.  What, or how they
> >>> broke, I don't currently know.  I just know that they did, and there
> >>> wasn't a big enough demand to debug.  As in zero demand.  Nobody asked
> >>> for it in EPEL7, only EPEL8.  So I'm not even sure this would be worth
> >>> the testing.  Has anyone asked for this?
> >>
> >> Not yet. But If we want packagers to start using %pycached, I know there 
> >> are
> >> some of them who would blindly merge their master branch to epel7 and they
> >> expect it will work. I suggest that we backport %pycached only, the name is
> >> unlikely to clash with anything. %python can be separated and not 
> >> backported.
> >> Sounds good?
> >>
> >
> > Yep, sounds good to me.
>
> Amended https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/14
>
> >>> EPEL8 patch - We've had requests to have EPEL8 be as close to Fedora,
> >>> so I'm in favor of this.
> >>> I'm pretty sure the %pycached shouldn't be a problem.
> >>
> >> I agree.
> >>
> >>> What is %python supposed to resolve to?  To me it looks like
> >>> /usr/bin/python ... which there isn't any in RHEL8.  And, I thought
> >>> Fedora got rid of it also, in favor of specifically doing python2 or
> >>> python3.  Or did that change?
> >>
> >> So the main idea was that based on some FPC and RPMdevs discussions about
> >> underscor-prefixed macros, packagers should not be using those directly, 
> >> however
> >> our guidelines were full of referecens to %{__python3}. We have come up 
> >> with a
> >> conclusion:
> >>
> >> Macros with underscores, such as %__python3 are intended to be reset to 
> >> change
> >> bahvior of other macros (e.g. when you set %__python to 
> >> /usr/bin/pythhon3.4 on
> >> EPEL 7, %{python3_version{ will be 3.4), macros without underscores are to 
> >> be
> >> used in specs (e.g. you do `%{python3} -m pytest` rather than 
> >> `%{__python3} -m
> >> pytest`.
> >>
> >> Details:
> >> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/907
> >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-macros/pull-request/27#comment-30941
> >>
> >> The only problem was the %{python} macro. When you redefine %__python to a 
> >> sane
> >> (explicit) value, you want %{python} to work, because e.g. 
> >> %{python_version}
> >> works. But we didn't want to encourage usage of "unversioned python" by 
> >> adding
> >> %{python}.
> >>
> >> So Fedora now has a %{python} macro: If %__python is /usr/bin/python 
> >> (backwards
> >> compatible default), %{python} gives you an error. If %__python is anything
> >> else, %{python} gives that to you.
> >>
> >
> > Ahh ... now that you explain it, I was reading it totally backwards.
> > I'd still like to test it on a variety of packages, but unless others
> > have some type of objection, as long as it passes the tests, I'm good
> > with it.
>
> What kind of packages would need the test? This is mostly backwards 
> compatible.
> The only packages that could be problematic are packages that use a constructs
> like this:
>
> %{!?python:...} or %if %{defined python}
>
> -> previously %python was not defined, now it is and hence the conditional 
> will
> have a different result
>
> Or like this:
>
> %global pyver_sitelib %python%{pyver}_sitelib
>
> -> previously %python was not defined, now it is and hence the code produces
> invalid result
>
> I suppose such cases could be figured out with a grep. Is there something like
> https://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/repo/rpm-specs-latest.tar.xz but for epel 
> branches?
>

Yep, I'm having a hard time finding anything relevant to test.
I have verified it doesn't conflict with any other rpm macro, but I'm
pretty sure you had already checked that.
So, I'm giving it a thumbs up.
And I'll give it a thumbs up on the pull requests as well.
Troy
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 14. 04. 20 17:40, Troy Dawson wrote:

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:


On 14. 04. 20 15:56, Troy Dawson wrote:

Hi Miro,
I've taken a look, but haven't done any testing.


Thanks.


EPEL6 patch - no.  Even if it works, I'd say no.  We're at the last 7
months before EOL and I don't want the EPEL6 stuff to have changes
like this.  I could be outvoted by this, but I believe most of the
other EPEL packagers would feel this way.


Makes perfect sense.


EPEL7 patch - This would require some testing.  When we tried to turn
on the python automatic-dependency checking, there were things that
broke on EPEL7 so they never got implemented.  What, or how they
broke, I don't currently know.  I just know that they did, and there
wasn't a big enough demand to debug.  As in zero demand.  Nobody asked
for it in EPEL7, only EPEL8.  So I'm not even sure this would be worth
the testing.  Has anyone asked for this?


Not yet. But If we want packagers to start using %pycached, I know there are
some of them who would blindly merge their master branch to epel7 and they
expect it will work. I suggest that we backport %pycached only, the name is
unlikely to clash with anything. %python can be separated and not backported.
Sounds good?



Yep, sounds good to me.


Amended https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/14


EPEL8 patch - We've had requests to have EPEL8 be as close to Fedora,
so I'm in favor of this.
I'm pretty sure the %pycached shouldn't be a problem.


I agree.


What is %python supposed to resolve to?  To me it looks like
/usr/bin/python ... which there isn't any in RHEL8.  And, I thought
Fedora got rid of it also, in favor of specifically doing python2 or
python3.  Or did that change?


So the main idea was that based on some FPC and RPMdevs discussions about
underscor-prefixed macros, packagers should not be using those directly, however
our guidelines were full of referecens to %{__python3}. We have come up with a
conclusion:

Macros with underscores, such as %__python3 are intended to be reset to change
bahvior of other macros (e.g. when you set %__python to /usr/bin/pythhon3.4 on
EPEL 7, %{python3_version{ will be 3.4), macros without underscores are to be
used in specs (e.g. you do `%{python3} -m pytest` rather than `%{__python3} -m
pytest`.

Details:
https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/907
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-macros/pull-request/27#comment-30941

The only problem was the %{python} macro. When you redefine %__python to a sane
(explicit) value, you want %{python} to work, because e.g. %{python_version}
works. But we didn't want to encourage usage of "unversioned python" by adding
%{python}.

So Fedora now has a %{python} macro: If %__python is /usr/bin/python (backwards
compatible default), %{python} gives you an error. If %__python is anything
else, %{python} gives that to you.



Ahh ... now that you explain it, I was reading it totally backwards.
I'd still like to test it on a variety of packages, but unless others
have some type of objection, as long as it passes the tests, I'm good
with it.


What kind of packages would need the test? This is mostly backwards compatible. 
The only packages that could be problematic are packages that use a constructs 
like this:


%{!?python:...} or %if %{defined python}

-> previously %python was not defined, now it is and hence the conditional will 
have a different result


Or like this:

%global pyver_sitelib %python%{pyver}_sitelib

-> previously %python was not defined, now it is and hence the code produces 
invalid result


I suppose such cases could be figured out with a grep. Is there something like 
https://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/repo/rpm-specs-latest.tar.xz but for epel branches?


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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Troy Dawson
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 14. 04. 20 15:56, Troy Dawson wrote:
> > Hi Miro,
> > I've taken a look, but haven't done any testing.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > EPEL6 patch - no.  Even if it works, I'd say no.  We're at the last 7
> > months before EOL and I don't want the EPEL6 stuff to have changes
> > like this.  I could be outvoted by this, but I believe most of the
> > other EPEL packagers would feel this way.
>
> Makes perfect sense.
>
> > EPEL7 patch - This would require some testing.  When we tried to turn
> > on the python automatic-dependency checking, there were things that
> > broke on EPEL7 so they never got implemented.  What, or how they
> > broke, I don't currently know.  I just know that they did, and there
> > wasn't a big enough demand to debug.  As in zero demand.  Nobody asked
> > for it in EPEL7, only EPEL8.  So I'm not even sure this would be worth
> > the testing.  Has anyone asked for this?
>
> Not yet. But If we want packagers to start using %pycached, I know there are
> some of them who would blindly merge their master branch to epel7 and they
> expect it will work. I suggest that we backport %pycached only, the name is
> unlikely to clash with anything. %python can be separated and not backported.
> Sounds good?
>

Yep, sounds good to me.

> > EPEL8 patch - We've had requests to have EPEL8 be as close to Fedora,
> > so I'm in favor of this.
> > I'm pretty sure the %pycached shouldn't be a problem.
>
> I agree.
>
> > What is %python supposed to resolve to?  To me it looks like
> > /usr/bin/python ... which there isn't any in RHEL8.  And, I thought
> > Fedora got rid of it also, in favor of specifically doing python2 or
> > python3.  Or did that change?
>
> So the main idea was that based on some FPC and RPMdevs discussions about
> underscor-prefixed macros, packagers should not be using those directly, 
> however
> our guidelines were full of referecens to %{__python3}. We have come up with a
> conclusion:
>
> Macros with underscores, such as %__python3 are intended to be reset to change
> bahvior of other macros (e.g. when you set %__python to /usr/bin/pythhon3.4 on
> EPEL 7, %{python3_version{ will be 3.4), macros without underscores are to be
> used in specs (e.g. you do `%{python3} -m pytest` rather than `%{__python3} -m
> pytest`.
>
> Details:
> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/907
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-macros/pull-request/27#comment-30941
>
> The only problem was the %{python} macro. When you redefine %__python to a 
> sane
> (explicit) value, you want %{python} to work, because e.g. %{python_version}
> works. But we didn't want to encourage usage of "unversioned python" by adding
> %{python}.
>
> So Fedora now has a %{python} macro: If %__python is /usr/bin/python 
> (backwards
> compatible default), %{python} gives you an error. If %__python is anything
> else, %{python} gives that to you.
>
> Fedora 32:
>
> $ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python_version'
> 3.6
>
> $ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python'
> /usr/bin/python3.6
>
> $ rpm --eval '%python_version'
> 3.8
>
> $ rpm --eval '%python'
> error: Cannot use %python if %__python wasn't redefined to something other 
> than
> /usr/bin/python.
>
>
> EPEL 8:
>
> $ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python_version'
> 3.6
>
> $ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python'
> %python
>
> $ rpm --eval '%python_version'
> error: attempt to use unversioned python, define %__python to /usr/bin/python2
> or /usr/bin/python3 explicitly
>
> $ rpm --eval '%python'
> %python
>
>

Ahh ... now that you explain it, I was reading it totally backwards.
I'd still like to test it on a variety of packages, but unless others
have some type of objection, as long as it passes the tests, I'm good
with it.

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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 14. 04. 20 15:56, Troy Dawson wrote:

Hi Miro,
I've taken a look, but haven't done any testing.


Thanks.


EPEL6 patch - no.  Even if it works, I'd say no.  We're at the last 7
months before EOL and I don't want the EPEL6 stuff to have changes
like this.  I could be outvoted by this, but I believe most of the
other EPEL packagers would feel this way.


Makes perfect sense.


EPEL7 patch - This would require some testing.  When we tried to turn
on the python automatic-dependency checking, there were things that
broke on EPEL7 so they never got implemented.  What, or how they
broke, I don't currently know.  I just know that they did, and there
wasn't a big enough demand to debug.  As in zero demand.  Nobody asked
for it in EPEL7, only EPEL8.  So I'm not even sure this would be worth
the testing.  Has anyone asked for this?


Not yet. But If we want packagers to start using %pycached, I know there are 
some of them who would blindly merge their master branch to epel7 and they 
expect it will work. I suggest that we backport %pycached only, the name is 
unlikely to clash with anything. %python can be separated and not backported. 
Sounds good?



EPEL8 patch - We've had requests to have EPEL8 be as close to Fedora,
so I'm in favor of this.
I'm pretty sure the %pycached shouldn't be a problem.


I agree.


What is %python supposed to resolve to?  To me it looks like
/usr/bin/python ... which there isn't any in RHEL8.  And, I thought
Fedora got rid of it also, in favor of specifically doing python2 or
python3.  Or did that change?


So the main idea was that based on some FPC and RPMdevs discussions about 
underscor-prefixed macros, packagers should not be using those directly, however 
our guidelines were full of referecens to %{__python3}. We have come up with a 
conclusion:


Macros with underscores, such as %__python3 are intended to be reset to change 
bahvior of other macros (e.g. when you set %__python to /usr/bin/pythhon3.4 on 
EPEL 7, %{python3_version{ will be 3.4), macros without underscores are to be 
used in specs (e.g. you do `%{python3} -m pytest` rather than `%{__python3} -m 
pytest`.


Details:
https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/907
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-macros/pull-request/27#comment-30941

The only problem was the %{python} macro. When you redefine %__python to a sane 
(explicit) value, you want %{python} to work, because e.g. %{python_version} 
works. But we didn't want to encourage usage of "unversioned python" by adding 
%{python}.


So Fedora now has a %{python} macro: If %__python is /usr/bin/python (backwards 
compatible default), %{python} gives you an error. If %__python is anything 
else, %{python} gives that to you.


Fedora 32:

$ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python_version'
3.6

$ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python'
/usr/bin/python3.6

$ rpm --eval '%python_version'
3.8

$ rpm --eval '%python'
error: Cannot use %python if %__python wasn't redefined to something other than 
/usr/bin/python.



EPEL 8:

$ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python_version'
3.6

$ rpm --define '__python /usr/bin/python3.6' --eval '%python'
%python

$ rpm --eval '%python_version'
error: attempt to use unversioned python, define %__python to /usr/bin/python2 
or /usr/bin/python3 explicitly


$ rpm --eval '%python'
%python


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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Troy Dawson
Hi Miro,
I've taken a look, but haven't done any testing.

EPEL6 patch - no.  Even if it works, I'd say no.  We're at the last 7
months before EOL and I don't want the EPEL6 stuff to have changes
like this.  I could be outvoted by this, but I believe most of the
other EPEL packagers would feel this way.

EPEL7 patch - This would require some testing.  When we tried to turn
on the python automatic-dependency checking, there were things that
broke on EPEL7 so they never got implemented.  What, or how they
broke, I don't currently know.  I just know that they did, and there
wasn't a big enough demand to debug.  As in zero demand.  Nobody asked
for it in EPEL7, only EPEL8.  So I'm not even sure this would be worth
the testing.  Has anyone asked for this?

EPEL8 patch - We've had requests to have EPEL8 be as close to Fedora,
so I'm in favor of this.
I'm pretty sure the %pycached shouldn't be a problem.
What is %python supposed to resolve to?  To me it looks like
/usr/bin/python ... which there isn't any in RHEL8.  And, I thought
Fedora got rid of it also, in favor of specifically doing python2 or
python3.  Or did that change?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:42 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 14. 04. 20 13:26, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > Miro.
> >
> > EPEL is interested in Fedora compatibility but has 0 people staffed to it.  
> > I
> > got slammed by the datacentre move and dropped the ball on this. Troy took 
> > over
> > for me last month and has been trying to catch up on all the things we have
> > outstanding. Thank you for reminding us of this outstanding work.
>
> I appreciate that you care. My interest in EPEL is purely "best effort" as I 
> am
> not an EPEL user myself -- I try to not break use cases for people who like to
> maintain packages in Fedora and EPEL alike, but sometimes it's really hard to
> guess what would work for EPEL best when there is no response.
>
> I would very much like to have some "EPEL <-> Python" representative/partner I
> could bring this sort of stuff to.
>
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 14. 04. 20 13:26, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

Miro.

EPEL is interested in Fedora compatibility but has 0 people staffed to it.  I 
got slammed by the datacentre move and dropped the ball on this. Troy took over 
for me last month and has been trying to catch up on all the things we have 
outstanding. Thank you for reminding us of this outstanding work.


I appreciate that you care. My interest in EPEL is purely "best effort" as I am 
not an EPEL user myself -- I try to not break use cases for people who like to 
maintain packages in Fedora and EPEL alike, but sometimes it's really hard to 
guess what would work for EPEL best when there is no response.


I would very much like to have some "EPEL <-> Python" representative/partner I 
could bring this sort of stuff to.


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[EPEL-devel] Re: Request EPEL8 branch for "tinyfugue"

2020-04-14 Thread Justin Coffman
I am not yet a packager, but I would love to help out!

-Original Message-
From: Felix Schwarz  
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:57 AM
To: EPEL Development List ; Justin Coffman 

Subject: [EPEL-devel] Re: Request EPEL8 branch for "tinyfugue"

Hi Justin,

Am 12.04.20 um 03:40 schrieb Justin Coffman:
> There’s a bug currently open requesting that “tinyfugue” be packaged for EPEL 
> 8.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1762158
> 
> There hasn’t been any response to the original requestor since it was 
> opened in October. It’d be great if someone could help out.

As far as I can see Kellin (bug reporter) became package admin so maybe he can 
push the EPEL8 branch. I assume Petr does not want to maintain additional EPEL 
branches.

Are you a Fedora/EPEL packager already? Maybe we can help you scratching your 
own itch?

Felix
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Request EPEL8 branch for "tinyfugue"

2020-04-14 Thread Felix Schwarz
Hi Justin,

Am 12.04.20 um 03:40 schrieb Justin Coffman:
> There’s a bug currently open requesting that “tinyfugue” be packaged for EPEL 
> 8.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1762158
> 
> There hasn’t been any response to the original requestor since it was opened
> in October. It’d be great if someone could help out.

As far as I can see Kellin (bug reporter) became package admin so maybe he can
push the EPEL8 branch. I assume Petr does not want to maintain additional EPEL
branches.

Are you a Fedora/EPEL packager already? Maybe we can help you scratching your
own itch?

Felix
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 06:08, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 02. 01. 20 15:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > Hey EPEL experts. Could you please have a look at:
> >
> > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/13
> > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/14
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Is EPEL interested in Fedora compatibility? Or shall I stop caring and
> close them?
>
>
Miro.

EPEL is interested in Fedora compatibility but has 0 people staffed to it.
I got slammed by the datacentre move and dropped the ball on this. Troy
took over for me last month and has been trying to catch up on all the
things we have outstanding. Thank you for reminding us of this outstanding
work.


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[EPEL-devel] Re: Python macro backports for EPEL reviews needed

2020-04-14 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 02. 01. 20 15:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:

Hey EPEL experts. Could you please have a look at:

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/13
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/14

Thanks.


Is EPEL interested in Fedora compatibility? Or shall I stop caring and close 
them?

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