[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)

2020-07-21 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 21. 07. 20 22:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

Well, not sure. Is there some way to put the repo files in a doc space
or something and only get repoquery to use them, not normal dnf
commands? I can't think of how to make it work, but perhaps dnf people
could? could we request a special/etc/dnf/repoquery.d/  dir or
something?


I could not find anything remotely like this in dnf documentation. I can 
possibly open and RFE, but given how the dnf devs are swamped I don't think it 
would be realistic to expect this to land any time soon.



Failing that, can they at least have a big comment block explaining that
you shouldn't use them to install any packages with?


Can do. I can even put that into the package descriptions.

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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)

2020-07-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 02:06:43PM +0200, Miro Hron=C4=8Dok wrote:
> On 07. 07. 20 14:08, Tomas Orsava wrote:
> > On 6/30/20 9:10 PM, Miro Hron=C4=8Dok wrote:
> > > On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > > I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiri=
ng
> > > > the fedora branches of an existing package?
> > >=20
> > > Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence
> > > a new review request.
> > >=20
> > > > That said, I am -1 on the idea.
> > > >=20
> > > > You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fe=
dora.
> > > > We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and th=
at
> > > > was with them in another repo entirely!
> > > >=20
> > > > I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from e=
pel
> > > > on fedora and cause a lot of breakage.
> > >=20
> > > I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for
> > > this, especially since people will find a way to download the epel
> > > packages anyway. This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on
> > > Fedora neither are the repos enabled. The amount of work to actually
> > > use this package to install epel packages on Fedora is more or less
> > > the same as downloading the packages from Koji or EPEL mirrors.
> >=20
> >=20
> > +1 from me. People will always do weird things, if they want rope, I sa=
y
> > let them have it.
> > But that shouldn't stop us from making life easier for packagers. I
> > myself would use this.
>=20
> The discussion kinda stopped. I don't want to force the package in, but I=
'd
> like to have some resolution. Is there a better way to achieve the result=
s
> with less risk?

Well, not sure. Is there some way to put the repo files in a doc space
or something and only get repoquery to use them, not normal dnf
commands? I can't think of how to make it work, but perhaps dnf people
could? could we request a special /etc/dnf/repoquery.d/ dir or
something?

Failing that, can they at least have a big comment block explaining that
you shouldn't use them to install any packages with?

kevin


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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)

2020-07-21 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 07. 07. 20 14:08, Tomas Orsava wrote:

On 6/30/20 9:10 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiring
the fedora branches of an existing package?


Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence a new 
review request.



That said, I am -1 on the idea.

You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fedora.
We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and that
was with them in another repo entirely!

I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from epel
on fedora and cause a lot of breakage.


I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for this, 
especially since people will find a way to download the epel packages anyway. 
This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on Fedora neither are the repos 
enabled. The amount of work to actually use this package to install epel 
packages on Fedora is more or less the same as downloading the packages from 
Koji or EPEL mirrors.



+1 from me. People will always do weird things, if they want rope, I say let 
them have it.
But that shouldn't stop us from making life easier for packagers. I myself would 
use this.


The discussion kinda stopped. I don't want to force the package in, but I'd like 
to have some resolution. Is there a better way to achieve the results with less 
risk?


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