[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 24. 07. 20 19:05, Carl George wrote:
Is there a better way to achieve the results with less
risk?
What I do for this is run podman containers. I create local images of
centos+epel, then use a helper script to run them with a podman volume
mounted at/var/cache/{yum,dnf}. With my script I can run repoquery
commands prefixed by a distro identifier.
c7 repoquery --whatprovides webserver
This also has the benefit of being able to start a container
interactively, install packages, and then throw it away when you're
done, with zero risk of installing packages on the host. If this
approach is interesting to you I can put my scripts in a public repo
somewhere.
This is certainly interesting when you actually want to install packages, but
for repoqueries, I find it a bit overkill.
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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
> Is there a better way to achieve the results with less
> risk?
What I do for this is run podman containers. I create local images of
centos+epel, then use a helper script to run them with a podman volume
mounted at /var/cache/{yum,dnf}. With my script I can run repoquery
commands prefixed by a distro identifier.
c7 repoquery --whatprovides webserver
This also has the benefit of being able to start a container
interactively, install packages, and then throw it away when you're
done, with zero risk of installing packages on the host. If this
approach is interesting to you I can put my scripts in a public repo
somewhere.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:34 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
> On 21. 07. 20 22:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Well, not sure. Is there some way to put the repo files in a doc space
> > or something and only get repoquery to use them, not normal dnf
> > commands? I can't think of how to make it work, but perhaps dnf people
> > could? could we request a special/etc/dnf/repoquery.d/ dir or
> > something?
>
> I could not find anything remotely like this in dnf documentation. I can
> possibly open and RFE, but given how the dnf devs are swamped I don't think it
> would be realistic to expect this to land any time soon.
>
> > Failing that, can they at least have a big comment block explaining that
> > you shouldn't use them to install any packages with?
>
> Can do. I can even put that into the package descriptions.
>
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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 21. 07. 20 22:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, not sure. Is there some way to put the repo files in a doc space or something and only get repoquery to use them, not normal dnf commands? I can't think of how to make it work, but perhaps dnf people could? could we request a special/etc/dnf/repoquery.d/ dir or something? I could not find anything remotely like this in dnf documentation. I can possibly open and RFE, but given how the dnf devs are swamped I don't think it would be realistic to expect this to land any time soon. Failing that, can they at least have a big comment block explaining that you shouldn't use them to install any packages with? Can do. I can even put that into the package descriptions. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 02:06:43PM +0200, Miro Hron=C4=8Dok wrote: > On 07. 07. 20 14:08, Tomas Orsava wrote: > > On 6/30/20 9:10 PM, Miro Hron=C4=8Dok wrote: > > > On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiri= ng > > > > the fedora branches of an existing package? > > >=20 > > > Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence > > > a new review request. > > >=20 > > > > That said, I am -1 on the idea. > > > >=20 > > > > You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fe= dora. > > > > We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and th= at > > > > was with them in another repo entirely! > > > >=20 > > > > I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from e= pel > > > > on fedora and cause a lot of breakage. > > >=20 > > > I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for > > > this, especially since people will find a way to download the epel > > > packages anyway. This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on > > > Fedora neither are the repos enabled. The amount of work to actually > > > use this package to install epel packages on Fedora is more or less > > > the same as downloading the packages from Koji or EPEL mirrors. > >=20 > >=20 > > +1 from me. People will always do weird things, if they want rope, I sa= y > > let them have it. > > But that shouldn't stop us from making life easier for packagers. I > > myself would use this. >=20 > The discussion kinda stopped. I don't want to force the package in, but I= 'd > like to have some resolution. Is there a better way to achieve the result= s > with less risk? Well, not sure. Is there some way to put the repo files in a doc space or something and only get repoquery to use them, not normal dnf commands? I can't think of how to make it work, but perhaps dnf people could? could we request a special /etc/dnf/repoquery.d/ dir or something? Failing that, can they at least have a big comment block explaining that you shouldn't use them to install any packages with? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 07. 07. 20 14:08, Tomas Orsava wrote: On 6/30/20 9:10 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiring the fedora branches of an existing package? Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence a new review request. That said, I am -1 on the idea. You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fedora. We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and that was with them in another repo entirely! I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from epel on fedora and cause a lot of breakage. I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for this, especially since people will find a way to download the epel packages anyway. This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on Fedora neither are the repos enabled. The amount of work to actually use this package to install epel packages on Fedora is more or less the same as downloading the packages from Koji or EPEL mirrors. +1 from me. People will always do weird things, if they want rope, I say let them have it. But that shouldn't stop us from making life easier for packagers. I myself would use this. The discussion kinda stopped. I don't want to force the package in, but I'd like to have some resolution. Is there a better way to achieve the results with less risk? -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 6/30/20 9:10 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiring the fedora branches of an existing package? Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence a new review request. That said, I am -1 on the idea. You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fedora. We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and that was with them in another repo entirely! I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from epel on fedora and cause a lot of breakage. I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for this, especially since people will find a way to download the epel packages anyway. This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on Fedora neither are the repos enabled. The amount of work to actually use this package to install epel packages on Fedora is more or less the same as downloading the packages from Koji or EPEL mirrors. +1 from me. People will always do weird things, if they want rope, I say let them have it. But that shouldn't stop us from making life easier for packagers. I myself would use this. Tomas ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 30. 06. 20 21:03, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiring the fedora branches of an existing package? Technically, the package is "retired for 8+ weeks" on Fedora. Hence a new review request. That said, I am -1 on the idea. You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fedora. We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and that was with them in another repo entirely! I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from epel on fedora and cause a lot of breakage. I understand the concern, but am not considering it a blocker for this, especially since people will find a way to download the epel packages anyway. This does not allow `dnf install epel-release` on Fedora neither are the repos enabled. The amount of work to actually use this package to install epel packages on Fedora is more or less the same as downloading the packages from Koji or EPEL mirrors. Whats your goal here? To have them easily available to query from fedora installs? Yes. See the README: https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/churchyard/rpms/epel-release/blob/fedora-package/f/README.md -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On 30. 06. 20 20:57, Neal Gompa wrote: I'm not sure this is a good idea. Also, queries and figuring out dependencies still requires having RHEL/CentOS repositories, which this package would not provide. That is a known limitation, but I wouldn't say this makes it "not a good idea". Would you mind telling why so consider it bad? I like the repos packaged, so I don't have to explain to others how to get them. This way, it's a magnitude easier. It solves a problem I have. Some time ago, I wrote rpmdistro-repoquery wrapper around dnf repoquery[1] for doing stuff like this. That might help for you too. [1]:https://pagure.io/rpmdistro-repoquery I've actually seen this (when mentioned couple week ago somewhere on a mailing list) and while powerful, it was a bit more complicated for me to use. For my own problems, having the epel repos is what I need. rpmdistro-repoquery wrapper can optionally use the packaged repos as well if desired (but doesn't have to). -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:46:43PM -, Miro Hrončok wrote: > To scratch my own itch I've packaged EPEL repos for Fedora. I've decided to > use the existing epel-release component for this (but I am OK to get a > different name, such as epel-repos). > > See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-release/pull-request/9 > And https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852583 > > Package review and any other feedback is appreciated. I don't think a package-review is needed? It would just be unretiring the fedora branches of an existing package? That said, I am -1 on the idea. You have no idea how many people try to install epel packages on fedora. We had to explicitly add a Conflicts to try and reduce this, and that was with them in another repo entirely! I fear if we do this more people will start installing stuff from epel on fedora and cause a lot of breakage. Whats your goal here? To have them easily available to query from fedora installs? > (Side note: I'm using the hyperkitty web interface to send this email, as I > cannot connect to my email from Thunderbird, sorry if the email is somewhat > weird.) Seems fine to me. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL repos packaged for Fedora (for repoquery)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:46 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > To scratch my own itch I've packaged EPEL repos for Fedora. I've decided to > use the existing epel-release component for this (but I am OK to get a > different name, such as epel-repos). > > See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-release/pull-request/9 > And https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852583 > > Package review and any other feedback is appreciated. > I'm not sure this is a good idea. Also, queries and figuring out dependencies still requires having RHEL/CentOS repositories, which this package would not provide. Some time ago, I wrote rpmdistro-repoquery wrapper around dnf repoquery[1] for doing stuff like this. That might help for you too. [1]: https://pagure.io/rpmdistro-repoquery -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
