[EuroPython] Call for Volunteer/Invitation to the orga meeting on Thursday this week
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Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 10.02.2014 15:34, Andreas Jung pisze: As stated earlier: traveling to Florence was more expensive than traveling to Berlin, That's a false statement, because ... it's all very relative. The nearest two airports (Katowice, Kraków) to where I live (and those are the two busiest airports in Poland after Warsaw) offer cheap flights to Bologna and Pisa and only one non-cheap flight to Berlin which is at least triple/quad the price compared to those to Italy. Going by train/bus will also cost more than cheap flight to Italy. If I choose going by car and using carpooling to take passengers, then the cost also will be similar to both destinations (as passengers cover the trip mostly and not the driver). So please don't say undoubtedly that traveling to Florence was more expensive, because we all know it's relative and factor of geography and available plane/train/bus connections. hotel prices in Florence appeared higher in comparison what you get for the price. You have much, much more options staying in Berlin for a reasonable prices. Besides various hostels there is a huge market with rental apartments or single rooms for a fraction of a standard hotel room. I agree that there is bigger choice in Berlin, but again prices topic is still relative. I was two times in Berlin last year and I can tell you that in Italy it was easier for me to find a good standard hotel that was very cheap just outside Florence. So to sum up travel + accommodation costs are relative thing for everyone (for some it might be better, but for some not this year) and in my opinion that shouldn't be an excuse to raise EP ticket cost so much (in my case total costs of attending EP are bigger). If costs of venue affect price so much, then cheaper venue should have been seriously considered. Once again this conference is _European_ Python _community_ conference, so it should be in first place affordable to average European, not average west European or German. Whole buzz that we witness since more than week comes from not taking that fact into account. Regards, Filip ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > W dniu 10.02.2014 15:34, Andreas Jung pisze: > > > > As stated earlier: traveling to Florence was more expensive than > > traveling to Berlin, > > That's a false statement, because ... it's all very relative. The nearest two > airports (Katowice, Kraków) to where I live (and those are the two busiest > airports in Poland after Warsaw) offer cheap flights to Bologna and Pisa and > only one non-cheap flight to Berlin which is at least triple/quad the price > compared to those to Italy. Going by train/bus will also cost more than cheap > flight to Italy. > If I choose going by car and using carpooling to take passengers, then the > cost also will be similar to both destinations (as passengers cover the trip > mostly and not the driver). > So please don't say undoubtedly that traveling to Florence was more > expensive, because we all know it's relative and factor of geography and > available plane/train/bus connections. That is true. Traveling costs are very relative to your location. The statement was only that for most or perhaps just a lot of people it may be cheaper to go to Berlin than to Florence. > > hotel prices in Florence appeared higher in comparison what you get for > the price. You have much, much more options staying in Berlin for a > reasonable prices. Besides various hostels there is a huge market with rental > apartments or single rooms for a fraction of a standard hotel room. > > > > I agree that there is bigger choice in Berlin, but again prices topic is still > relative. I was two times in Berlin last year and I can tell you that in > Italy it was > easier for me to find a good standard hotel that was very cheap just outside > Florence. > > So to sum up travel + accommodation costs are relative thing for everyone > (for some it might be better, but for some not this year) and in my opinion > that shouldn't be an excuse to raise EP ticket cost so much (in my case total > costs of attending EP are bigger). If costs of venue affect price so much, > then > cheaper venue should have been seriously considered. Here you mix something up. It was never states that the EP ticket prices were raised because the travel and accommondation costs are cheaper. This is definitely not the case! It was just mentioned that for a lot of people the outcome of all together might be the same. Not as a justification of the price, but to set things in relation. Regarding the venue: There simply is no other venue which fits the needs of EuroPython. To pick a venue is difficult, is has to fit the number of expected participants, should also allow some growth, has to have enough rooms of the right sizes, should be easily reachable by public transport, cheap hotels should be nearby, and so on. If you search alone for something fitting for about 1000 people which is offering enough lecture halls and additional smaller rooms for workshops, you will quite fast run out of options. Big venues often just offer a lot of space, but not separated rooms. Smaller venues may offer enough rooms, but just small ones, no big ones which would fit for 800 or more people. We would have loved to have a cheaper venue, but we just could not get one which fits the need of EuroPython. For example, the Chaos Communication Congress moved to Hamburg due to the reason, that they did not find an appropriate venue in Berlin, whereby the main problem was to find a venue with enough big lecture rooms. > > Once again this conference is _European_ Python _community_ conference, > so it should be in first place affordable to average European, not > average west European or German. Whole buzz that we witness since more > than week comes from not taking that fact into account. > We definitely take into account that this is a European community event and we try our best to make it a great and affordable event for everybody. Therefore we offer the financial aid program to everybody who needs help. Regards, Carina > Regards, > Filip > ___ > EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please can we stop this destructive thread ?
Let us just accept that the 2014 organisers submitted an excellent
proposal, and that they are doing a cracking good job in fulfilling
that proposal. For all sorts of reasons, geography, size of venue,
relative cost of living etc, they cannot meet everyone's perceived
requirements but are doing the best they can.
If this year's EP does not meet your requirements, you can
* Put forward your own proposal for a future EP, or
* Go to another European Python event ( like PyCon { IE, UK, DE,
FR,...} ) there will be one to suit you somewhere.
Respect,
John
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Re: [EuroPython] Call for Volunteer/Invitation to the orga meeting on Thursday this week
Hello, On 11 February 2014 10:12, Andreas Jung wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > please take notice our the Call for volunteers > > https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/volunteers/ > > All Python ladies and gentlemen from the Berlin area that interested in > volunteering are invited to join the next meeting this week on Thursday > (see link above). Will you be on IRC ? John -- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Call for Volunteer/Invitation to the orga meeting on Thursday this week
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Pinner wrote: > Hello, > > On 11 February 2014 10:12, Andreas Jung wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> please take notice our the Call for volunteers >> >> https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/volunteers/ >> >> All Python ladies and gentlemen from the Berlin area that >> interested in volunteering are invited to join the next meeting >> this week on Thursday (see link above). > > Will you be on IRC ? > > John -- Find us on #europython-orga on Freenode. Andreas - -- Regards Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com about.me/andreasjung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS+iXtAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjP14Lv1GjRwz54Tv+MkiEjHonaT7n 3ic40S8P/fzIcpMODNrFB11Qmabl/vI4JSKxLXIYCbYeH6IHOQJxFLcK5fobby3I jN8s/i3T6I67omQ20TY9XDLZoMeuTbV+1QSrn4dWd2ebshVE1hE9R3qw4Zeqgwci yUXz5VeUET+OmkL1v4fzeV9Oug9l2fbXozV4UDrAfDhyr1r0BleGnmdcC9/AyEM9 FWbeK0shwXdst+C02Byev3qisD7shPLM5O/nWdvauipbDvREBZdTUaQFiaiQjrDp tZ17o6DkZDX0c7nrH6deg7WiLGeV5by165ret43uCVZKRlij07Hied025EH8Fk5m Hm1iRib/A52IxcP/5L6uTOrU+XjpcmrmPJoNFOhX8qqwb9/gSigaD5B9e0Q5MZrK lcBtxXfEBZp7ZYnIQMy2/j/VA66Q/IgcUnKzoKrLDL60Fyff1ptKnaZmox83lcKf epBt228quXyKzNJtLbTGaarwN2R84+4= =Gttf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 11.02.2014 14:00, carina.ha...@dlr.de pisze: That is true. Traveling costs are very relative to your location. The statement was only that for most or perhaps just a lot of people it may be cheaper to go to Berlin than to Florence. Nope, Andreas in contrast to you arbitrarily said traveling to Florence was more expensive. Also stating, that it will be cheaper for most is not true, because we would have to ask what do you mean by most? Most of last year attendees, most of this year attendees (probably from Germany) or for most Python developers in Europe? Travel and accommodation costs are relative. Therefore they shouldn't be used as an argument in this discussion. The thing that we can easily compare are the attendance prices. Here you mix something up. It was never states that the EP ticket prices were raised because the travel and accommondation costs are cheaper. This is definitely not the case! It was just mentioned that for a lot of people the outcome of all together might be the same. Not as a justification of the price, but to set things in relation. Here you are mixing sth up. I never said that costs were raised because of the _hypothetical_ lower costs of travel & accommodation. I clearly stated that high costs come from choosing extremely pricy venue in center of capital (capitals are usually pricy) in one of the wealthiest European economies. It's very clear it must result in higher costs. Regarding the venue: There simply is no other venue which fits the needs of EuroPython. Really, in whole Germany? Can't believe it. To pick a venue is difficult, is has to fit the number of expected participants, should also allow some growth, has to have enough rooms of the right sizes, should be easily reachable by public transport, cheap hotels should be nearby, and so on. If you search alone for something fitting for about 1000 people which is offering enough lecture halls and additional smaller rooms for workshops, you will quite fast run out of options. Big venues often just offer a lot of space, but not separated rooms. Smaller venues may offer enough rooms, but just small ones, no big ones which would fit for 800 or more people. We would have loved to have a cheaper venue, but we just could not get one which fits the need of EuroPython. For example, the Chaos Communication Congress moved to Hamburg due to the reason, that they did not find an appropriate venue in Berlin, whereby the main problem was to find a venue with enough big lecture rooms. Define closer the reasons. I can imagine a lot of venues - hint: every university has big and smaller rooms and they are usually empty in mid-July etc. Saying that only one venue matched the requirements was i Berlin and center of it is just an overstatement. We definitely take into account that this is a European community event and we try our best to make it a great and affordable event for everybody. Therefore we offer the financial aid program to everybody who needs help. The financial aid was introduced this year, because rising prices so high without any form of mitigation would cause even bigger unrest. Regards, Filip ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
On 11 February 2014 13:19, John Pinner wrote: > > Please can we stop this destructive thread ? Seconded. Please let us not allow a bunch of minor quibbles to mount up to a big enough thing to risk causing real damage. Do we really want outsiders to think "Europython? Oh, that's that bunch of people who infight about ticket prices and conference venues." Regardless of *whether or not* any particular concern may be justified, if it isn't worth the potential damage to the Europython community and its reputation, please consider that it *might* be worth keeping to yourself. Regards, A ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 11.02.2014 14:19, John Pinner pisze:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please can we stop this destructive thread ?
This thread is not destructive it is meant to make future EP better.
Let's discuss things in the open.
Let us just accept that the 2014 organisers submitted an excellent
proposal, and that they are doing a cracking good job in fulfilling
that proposal.
Please, don't let me remind how the process of call of proposals for
EP2014/EP2015 looked like. EPS said that such process will start on
Autumn 2012, and it started in May 2013 (after multiply delays and some
of teams that wanted to submit proposals, resigned after half a year of
asking when the call will start and how can they help). Then suddenly
Python Verband appeared out of nowhere (where it was on Autumn?) and one
of it's members was deciding in EPS board where to host next EP.
Moreover till this day proposals weren't shown. Public doesn't know why
Germany had better proposal than Belgium, what was in proposal etc. The
whole process is very unclear.
For all sorts of reasons, geography, size of venue,
relative cost of living etc, they cannot meet everyone's perceived
requirements but are doing the best they can.
I won't judge if they are doing best or not, because it's also very
relative. I guess many or most of organizer are doing their best job,
but we already seen calling other people "childish" or other rather
aggressive reactions to normal (probably expected when organizing any
conference) critic.
If this year's EP does not meet your requirements, you can
* Put forward your own proposal for a future EP, or
* Go to another European Python event ( like PyCon { IE, UK, DE,
FR,...} ) there will be one to suit you somewhere.
Of course, but we have right to express our likes or dislikes for
certain things connected with EP2014. It's for the better experience of
EP2015 and future editions.
Regards,
Filip
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Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
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Am 11.02.2014 15:00, schrieb Filip K??bczyk:
> W dniu 11.02.2014 14:19, John Pinner pisze:
>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please can we stop this destructive thread ?
>
> This thread is not destructive it is meant to make future EP
> better. Let's discuss things in the open.
Well then please change the subject line, it is your choice to alter it.
As I said before I am awaiting cronstructive help or a new proposal
for the next conference I want to join. And I am happy for anyone who
is doing a great proposal and has a team which fullfills all my wishes.
best regards
Reimar
>
>> Let us just accept that the 2014 organisers submitted an
>> excellent proposal, and that they are doing a cracking good job
>> in fulfilling that proposal.
>
> Please, don't let me remind how the process of call of proposals
> for EP2014/EP2015 looked like. EPS said that such process will
> start on Autumn 2012, and it started in May 2013 (after multiply
> delays and some of teams that wanted to submit proposals, resigned
> after half a year of asking when the call will start and how can
> they help). Then suddenly Python Verband appeared out of nowhere
> (where it was on Autumn?) and one of it's members was deciding in
> EPS board where to host next EP. Moreover till this day proposals
> weren't shown. Public doesn't know why Germany had better proposal
> than Belgium, what was in proposal etc. The whole process is very
> unclear.
>
>> For all sorts of reasons, geography, size of venue, relative cost
>> of living etc, they cannot meet everyone's perceived requirements
>> but are doing the best they can.
>
> I won't judge if they are doing best or not, because it's also
> very relative. I guess many or most of organizer are doing their
> best job, but we already seen calling other people "childish" or
> other rather aggressive reactions to normal (probably expected when
> organizing any conference) critic.
>
>> If this year's EP does not meet your requirements, you can
>>
>> * Put forward your own proposal for a future EP, or * Go to
>> another European Python event ( like PyCon { IE, UK, DE, FR,...}
>> ) there will be one to suit you somewhere.
>
> Of course, but we have right to express our likes or dislikes for
> certain things connected with EP2014. It's for the better
> experience of EP2015 and future editions.
>
> Regards, Filip ___
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Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
Am 11.02.2014 14:37, schrieb Filip Kłębczyk: > W dniu 11.02.2014 14:00, carina.ha...@dlr.de pisze: >> >> That is true. Traveling costs are very relative to your location. The >> statement was only that for most or perhaps just a lot of people it >> may be cheaper to go to Berlin than to Florence. >> > > Nope, Andreas in contrast to you arbitrarily said traveling to Florence > was more expensive. Also stating, that it will be cheaper for most is > not true, because we would have to ask what do you mean by most? Most of > last year attendees, most of this year attendees (probably from Germany) > or for most Python developers in Europe? > > Travel and accommodation costs are relative. Therefore they shouldn't be > used as an argument in this discussion. The thing that we can easily > compare are the attendance prices. > >> >> Here you mix something up. It was never states that the EP ticket >> prices were raised because the travel and accommondation costs are >> cheaper. This is definitely not the case! It was just mentioned that >> for a lot of people the outcome of all together might be the same. Not >> as a justification of the price, but to set things in relation. > > Here you are mixing sth up. I never said that costs were raised because > of the _hypothetical_ lower costs of travel & accommodation. I clearly > stated that high costs come from choosing extremely pricy venue in > center of capital (capitals are usually pricy) in one of the wealthiest > European economies. It's very clear it must result in higher costs. > >> >> Regarding the venue: There simply is no other venue which fits the >> needs of EuroPython. > > Really, in whole Germany? Can't believe it. > I am not sure what focus this discussion gets now. I am quite surprised that you now talk about whole Germany. What is your intention? Please feel free to change the subject line if you want to talk on future locations e.g. for EP2015 As you might know we talk about berlin in 2014. If you want to held a EuroPython conference in some other city of germany feel free to make a proposal for that, just offer your help. Or just do it. But don't choose cologne. You may know that the local usergroup of pyCologne together with the DLR wrote a proposal to get the EuroPython 2011/2012 to cologne. At that time the scale of the EuroPython fitted into the locations we were able to pay for. At current scale it is much more expensive in cologne than the venue in berlin. The EPS decides where the EuroPython takes place. So just get your team and make a proposal for the next conference. Reimar >> To pick a venue is difficult, is has to fit the number of expected >> participants, should also allow some growth, has to have enough rooms >> of the right sizes, should be easily reachable by public transport, >> cheap hotels should be nearby, and so on. >> If you search alone for something fitting for about 1000 people which >> is offering enough lecture halls and additional smaller rooms for >> workshops, you will quite fast run out of options. Big venues often >> just offer a lot of space, but not separated rooms. Smaller venues may >> offer enough rooms, but just small ones, no big ones which would fit >> for 800 or more people. We would have loved to have a cheaper venue, >> but we just could not get one which fits the need of EuroPython. >> For example, the Chaos Communication Congress moved to Hamburg due to >> the reason, that they did not find an appropriate venue in Berlin, >> whereby the main problem was to find a venue with enough big lecture >> rooms. >> > > Define closer the reasons. I can imagine a lot of venues - hint: every > university has big and smaller rooms and they are usually empty in > mid-July etc. Saying that only one venue matched the requirements was i > Berlin and center of it is just an overstatement. > >> >> We definitely take into account that this is a European community >> event and we try our best to make it a great and affordable event for >> everybody. Therefore we offer the financial aid program to everybody >> who needs help. > > The financial aid was introduced this year, because rising prices so > high without any form of mitigation would cause even bigger unrest. > > Regards, > Filip > ___ > EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir Dr. Karl Eugen Huthmacher Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Karsten Beneke (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
[Filip Kłębczyk @ 2014-02-11 15:00] > This thread is not destructive it is meant to make future EP better. The best point-of-time for such a discussion is immediately after EP is over; then all aspects of the conference can be discussed while people have the conference fresh in mind, people may have better opinions on the conference venue, and if the organizers feel the need to spend energy defending their decisions, at least it won't distract them from organizing the event. A mailing list is a good tool for keeping heated arguments, it may have an entertainment value, but doesn't serve much purpose except that. Mailing lists are seldom a good tool for constructive discussions. When the participants have good points and good ideas that everyone can agree on ... well, it's nothing to discuss, so the good ideas doesn't get any bandwidth and are soon forgotten, while the small details where people disagree tends to steal a lot of bandwidth. I think it's a much better idea to summarize "proposals for improving EP" on a wiki page. ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 11.02.2014 16:49, Reimar Bauer pisze: Please feel free to change the subject line if you want to talk on future locations e.g. for EP2015 As you might know we talk about berlin in 2014. Yes, we are talking about EP2014 in Berlin to help EP2015 and next ones to avoid mistakes. Regards, Filip ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 11.02.2014 15:31, Tobias Brox pisze: I think it's a much better idea to summarize "proposals for improving EP" on a wiki page. I agree with that, but for now nothing but mailing list exist as EP is concerned and potential future EP organizers read it, so it's a good communication channel. Regards, Filip ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
On Feb 11, 2014 1:59 PM, "Filip Kłębczyk" wrote: > > W dniu 10.02.2014 15:34, Andreas Jung pisze: > >> >> As stated earlier: traveling to Florence was more expensive than traveling to Berlin, > > > That's a false statement, because ... it's all very relative. The nearest two airports (Katowice, Kraków) to where I live (and those are the two busiest airports in Poland after Warsaw) offer cheap flights to Bologna and Pisa and only one non-cheap flight to Berlin which is at least triple/quad the price compared to those to Italy. Not really, no. >From Krakow to Berlin, 80 EUR return ( http://imgur.com/SR7UDzZ). Not only is that dirt cheap, but I cannot find the 20 30 EUR direct flight to Pisa (or any direct flights to Pisa or Bologna, for that matter ). Also, put bluntly, even if for a few people it's more expensive to travel to Berlin, on average it's way cheaper. Taking that statement (like you did in a later email) to mean it's cheaper for everyone is silly, at best. As for why people say it's cheaper for most... It's because it is. For me, from Sofia, it's 130 EUR direct to Berlin, vs a 7 hour 180 EUR nightmare to Florence. ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
W dniu 11.02.2014 23:27, George-Cristian Bîrzan pisze: From Krakow to Berlin, 80 EUR return ( http://imgur.com/SR7UDzZ). Not only is that dirt cheap, but I cannot find the 20 30 EUR direct flight to Pisa (or any direct flights to Pisa or Bologna, for that matter ). Just checked RyanAir both to Bologna and Pisa, twice/triple as cheaper at the moment than Berlin. As I've said this is relative - for some it will be cheaper for some pricier. No sense in discussing that. The only fixed price for all is the price of conference pass and that went significantly up. Regards, Filip ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP
Am 11.02.2014 22:44, schrieb Filip Kłębczyk: > W dniu 11.02.2014 16:49, Reimar Bauer pisze: >> Please feel free to change the subject line if you want to talk on >> future locations e.g. for EP2015 >> >> As you might know we talk about berlin in 2014. > > Yes, we are talking about EP2014 in Berlin to help EP2015 and next ones > to avoid mistakes. > I am waiting for your proposal for EP 2015. I hope you satisfy me. best regards Reimar > Regards, > Filip > ___ > EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir Dr. Karl Eugen Huthmacher Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Karsten Beneke (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
