Re: [EVDL] Ensure your spent li-ion batteries are properly recycled/disposed-of

2016-02-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I won't speak for mobile phone and laptop batteries, but when we're 
talking about traction batteries, I don't think there will be a problem.


First, the car owner will be done with the battery well before its 
useful life is over.  So he'll swap it or junk the car with the battery 
in it.


Next, whoever receives the partially spent battery will have a strong 
incentive to resell it for backup power, or whatever.  So he's not going 
to send it to a landfill.  Also, too heavy: the dump charge would be 
significant.


Third, whoever buys the spent battery for backup power will eventually 
have the ultimate disposal problem.  If these are home owners, then 
there could be a problem.  However, again, the dump charge would be high 
so finding a place to take them for recycling is a good incentive.


Alternatively, if it's primarily utilities, data centers, and the like 
that are using these spent batteries, then we have far fewer points of 
contact to deal with.  Much easier to provide carrots and sticks.


Finally, people are used to having a core charge for lead-acid 
batteries.  So it might be easy to expand that core charge to include 
Li-ion batteries.


Peri

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On 14 Feb 2016 at 0:12, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


 ''Nickel is dirt cheap.


That's not what I hear.


 It is also toxic. So is cobalt,''


Oh goodie, another tiny pebble for the anti-EV folks to amplify into a
boulder.

Nickel does have some toxicity, but it's nothing like lead or cadmium, 
and
we've used those materials in batteries for many decades.  The key is 
that

we reclaim them.  As long as we reclaim the metals used in lithium
batteries, rather than dumping them into landfills, I don't see the 
problem.


 ''However, as we move toward these cheaper materials there is no 
longer

 a strong economic force for recycling


Now THAT could pose a problem.  People are not known for doing the 
right

thing unless they're paid to.

One fix would be a law requiring a substantial core deposit on each 
battery,

but that would boost the purchase prices of EVs.  Not a winner.

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Re: [EVDL] Ensure your spent li-ion batteries are properly recycled/disposed-of

2016-02-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 Feb 2016 at 0:12, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> ''Nickel is dirt cheap. 

That's not what I hear.

> It is also toxic. So is cobalt,'' 

Oh goodie, another tiny pebble for the anti-EV folks to amplify into a 
boulder.

Nickel does have some toxicity, but it's nothing like lead or cadmium, and 
we've used those materials in batteries for many decades.  The key is that 
we reclaim them.  As long as we reclaim the metals used in lithium 
batteries, rather than dumping them into landfills, I don't see the problem.

> ''However, as we move toward these cheaper materials there is no longer
> a strong economic force for recycling 

Now THAT could pose a problem.  People are not known for doing the right 
thing unless they're paid to.  

One fix would be a law requiring a substantial core deposit on each battery, 
but that would boost the purchase prices of EVs.  Not a winner.

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Re: [EVDL] EV Boat

2016-02-14 Thread George McNeir via EV
Jerry,

Thank you for your 3 following concerns…...

1. In winds or getting caught in a fast tide the boat could be out of control 
and you don't have enough power to handle it.

>>Every boater should factor their boat, their experience & limitations, 
>>applying the sum to the area of passage, navigating accordingly.
There will never be enough power to overcome stupidity.

2. While it can move some in good conditions, weather can go bad fast.

>>Make sure that sentence is on a nice shiny brass plate attached prominently 
>>to your helm.

3. What I said still stands, ignore it if you want but my 45 yr boat design, 
building, sailing, solar and powering experience says 
you need to be very careful and have multiple large anchors.

>>Many would be interested in your boat designs and boat builds. 
How is your "34 foot trimaran sail/solar powered 20 mph sail or gas power 
retirement home" coming along?
Perhaps you might share this and your gallery of past and current marine work?

Regards,

George

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Re: [EVDL] Ensure your spent li-ion batteries are properly recycled/disposed-of

2016-02-14 Thread dovepa via EV
e the first 'red
> flag' that leads us to consider this more broadly.''
>
> The group, which conducted the study under the auspices of the National
> Science Foundation-funded Center for Sustainable Nanotechnology at
> UW–Madison, also plans to study the effects of NMC on higher organisms.
>
> According to Hamers, the big challenge will be keeping old lithium ion
> batteries out of landfills, where they will ultimately break down and may
> release their constituent materials into the environment.
>
> ''There is a really good national infrastructure for recycling lead
> batteries,'' he says. ''However, as we move toward these cheaper materials
> there is no longer a strong economic force for recycling. But even if the
> economic drivers are such that you can use these new engineered materials,
> the idea is to keep them out of the landfills. There is going to be 75 to
> 80
> pounds of these mixed metal oxides in the cathodes of an electric
> vehicle.''
>
> Hamers argues that there are ways for industry to minimise the potential
> environmental effects of useful materials such as coatings, ''the M&M
> strategy,'' but the ultimate goal is to design new environmentally benign
> materials that are just as technologically effective.
> [© 2016 The Information Company]
> ...
>
> http://canadafreepress.com/article/electric-car-battery-materials-could-harm-key-soil-bacteria
> Electric-car battery materials could harm key soil bacteria
> February 10, 2016  American Chemical Society
>
>
>
> http://www.bipowerusa.com/documents/disposal.asp
> Lithium Battery Disposal
> http://retrievtech.com/
> http://www.call2recycle.org/locator/
> http://www.greencitizen.com/recycling-lithium-ion-batteries/
> http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f13/arravt020_es_coy_2013_p.pdf
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Ensure your spent li-ion batteries are properly recycled/disposed-of

2016-02-14 Thread Michael Ross via EV
into the environment.
>
> ''There is a really good national infrastructure for recycling lead
> batteries,'' he says. ''However, as we move toward these cheaper materials
> there is no longer a strong economic force for recycling. But even if the
> economic drivers are such that you can use these new engineered materials,
> the idea is to keep them out of the landfills. There is going to be 75 to
> 80
> pounds of these mixed metal oxides in the cathodes of an electric
> vehicle.''
>
> Hamers argues that there are ways for industry to minimise the potential
> environmental effects of useful materials such as coatings, ''the M&M
> strategy,'' but the ultimate goal is to design new environmentally benign
> materials that are just as technologically effective.
> [© 2016 The Information Company]
> ...
>
> http://canadafreepress.com/article/electric-car-battery-materials-could-harm-key-soil-bacteria
> Electric-car battery materials could harm key soil bacteria
> February 10, 2016  American Chemical Society
>
>
>
> http://www.bipowerusa.com/documents/disposal.asp
> Lithium Battery Disposal
> http://retrievtech.com/
> http://www.call2recycle.org/locator/
> http://www.greencitizen.com/recycling-lithium-ion-batteries/
> http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f13/arravt020_es_coy_2013_p.pdf
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Re: [EVDL] EV Boat

2016-02-14 Thread jerry freedomev via EV

   Hi George and All,   My health has caused me to 
not live on the water now so the Tri main hull/cabin has turned into a very 
aero travel trailer that I'm living in now.   I'll be doing the 
same things on land though and likely design, build solar boats for others and 
for various boat companies as I move to St Pete after selling my home.  
 Likely concentrate on building composite  EV's and solar plug and play 
and wind systems.   
 Jerry Dycus       
  From: George McNeir 
 To: jerry freedomev  
Cc: via EV 
 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 11:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
   
Jerry,

Thank you for your 3 following concerns…...

1. In winds or getting caught in a fast tide the boat could be out of control 
and you don't have enough power to handle it.

>>Every boater should factor their boat, their experience & limitations, 
>>applying the sum to the area of passage, navigating accordingly.
There will never be enough power to overcome stupidity.

2. While it can move some in good conditions, weather can go bad fast.

>>Make sure that sentence is on a nice shiny brass plate attached prominently 
>>to your helm.

3. What I said still stands, ignore it if you want but my 45 yr boat design, 
building, sailing, solar and powering experience says 
you need to be very careful and have multiple large anchors.

>>Many would be interested in your boat designs and boat builds. 
How is your "34 foot trimaran sail/solar powered 20 mph sail or gas power 
retirement home" coming along?
Perhaps you might share this and your gallery of past and current marine work?

Regards,

George


  
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[EVDL] Ensure your spent li-ion batteries are properly recycled/disposed-of

2016-02-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.domain-b.com/technology/20160206_microorganism.html
Lithium battery catalyst found to harm key soil microorganism
06 February 2016

[image  
http://www.domain-b.com/technology/images/microorganism_domain-b.jpg
Shewanella oneidensis thrives on metal ions, converting them to metals like
iron that serve as nutrients for other microbes. The bacterium was shown to
be harmed by the compound nickel manganese cobalt oxide, which is produced
in nanoparticle form and is poised to become the dominant material in the
lithium ion batteries that will power portable electronics and electric
vehicles. (Illustration by Ella Marushchenko, University of Minnesota)   
]

The material at the heart of the lithium ion batteries that power electric
vehicles, laptop computers and smartphones has been shown to impair a key
soil bacterium, according to new research published online in the journal
Chemistry of Materials.

The study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and the
University of Minnesota is an early signal that the growing use of the new
nanoscale materials used in the rechargeable batteries that power portable
electronics and electric and hybrid vehicles may have untold environmental
consequences.

Researchers led by UW–Madison chemistry Professor Robert J. Hamers explored
the effects of the compound nickel manganese cobalt oxide (NMC), an emerging
material manufactured in the form of nanoparticles that is being rapidly
incorporated into lithium ion battery technology, on the common soil and
sediment bacterium Shewanella oneidensis.

''As far as we know, this is the first study that's looked at the
environmental impact of these materials,'' says Hamers, who collaborated
with the laboratories of University of Minnesota chemist Christy Haynes and
UW–Madison soil scientist Joel Pedersen to perform the new work.

NMC and other mixed metal oxides manufactured at the nanoscale are poised to
become the dominant materials used to store energy for portable electronics
and electric vehicles. The materials, notes Hamers, are cheap and effective.

''Nickel is dirt cheap. It's pretty good at energy storage. It is also
toxic. So is cobalt,'' Hamers says of the components of the metal compound
that, when made in the form of nanoparticles, becomes an efficient cathode
material in a battery, and one that recharges much more efficiently than a
conventional battery due to its nanoscale properties.

Hamers, Haynes and Pedersen tested the effects of NMC on a hardy soil
bacterium known for its ability to convert metal ions to nutrients.

Ubiquitous in the environment and found worldwide, Shewanella oneidensis,
says Haynes, is ''particularly relevant for studies of potentially
metal-releasing engineered nanomaterials. You can imagine Shewanella both as
a toxicity indicator species and as a potential bioremediator.''

Subjected to the particles released by degrading NMC, the bacterium
exhibited inhibited growth and respiration. ''At the nanoscale, NMC
dissolves incongruently,'' says Haynes, releasing more nickel and cobalt
than manganese. ''We want to dig into this further and figure out how these
ions impact bacterial gene expression, but that work is still underway.''

Haynes adds that ''it is not reasonable to generalize the results from one
bacterial strain to an entire ecosystem, but this may be the first 'red
flag' that leads us to consider this more broadly.''

The group, which conducted the study under the auspices of the National
Science Foundation-funded Center for Sustainable Nanotechnology at
UW–Madison, also plans to study the effects of NMC on higher organisms.

According to Hamers, the big challenge will be keeping old lithium ion
batteries out of landfills, where they will ultimately break down and may
release their constituent materials into the environment.

''There is a really good national infrastructure for recycling lead
batteries,'' he says. ''However, as we move toward these cheaper materials
there is no longer a strong economic force for recycling. But even if the
economic drivers are such that you can use these new engineered materials,
the idea is to keep them out of the landfills. There is going to be 75 to 80
pounds of these mixed metal oxides in the cathodes of an electric vehicle.''

Hamers argues that there are ways for industry to minimise the potential
environmental effects of useful materials such as coatings, ''the M&M
strategy,'' but the ultimate goal is to design new environmentally benign
materials that are just as technologically effective.
[© 2016 The Information Company]
...
http://canadafreepress.com/article/electric-car-battery-materials-could-harm-key-soil-bacteria
Electric-car battery materials could harm key soil bacteria
February 10, 2016  American Chemical Society



http://www.bipowerusa.com/documents/disposal.asp
Lithium Battery Disposal 
http://retrievtech.com/
http://www.call2recycle.org/locator/
http://www.greencitizen.com/recycling-lithium-ion-batteries/
http:/

[EVDL] EVLN: A Wooden Electric Car> Carbon-fibre made from wood

2016-02-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2016/feb/wood-based-carbon-composite-car.cfm
Wood-based carbon fibre electric car created by Swedes
10 February 2016  Tereza Pultarova

[image  
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This car model made by Swedish researchers has a roof and a battery made of
a wood-based carbon composite
]

Swedish researchers have built what they call the world’s first model car
with a roof and battery made of wood-based carbon fibre.
The recyclable lightweight material used to make the car’s components was
created using lignin - one of the main components of the cell walls of most
plants growing on dry land. Lignin is the second most abundant natural
polymer in the world, surpassed only by cellulose.

"The lightness of the material is especially important for electric cars
because then batteries last longer," said Göran Lindbergh, Professor of
Chemical Engineering at KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm,
Sweden, who led the team building the innovative vehicle. "Lignin-based
carbon fibre is cheaper than ordinary carbon fibre. Otherwise batteries made
with lignin are indistinguishable from ordinary batteries."

The car is not yet fit to carry human passengers as it is the size of a toy.
However, the researchers said it still represents a major leap towards more
environmentally friendly cars. Such cars would not only be recyclable, but
also considerably more lightweight than current metal-based vehicles, thus
offering much lower fuel consumption as well as lower greenhouse gas
emissions.

The team previously experimented with lignin as an electrode material during
research that focused on making batteries from the by-products of paper pulp
production.

The work was funded by the Swedish Energy Agency and the KTH researchers
cooperated with Swedish research institute Innventia and Swerea, a research
group for industrial renewal and sustainable development.
[© 2016 The Institution of Engineering and Technology]
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http://gas2.org/2016/02/11/swedish-scientists-invent-a-wooden-car/
Swedish Scientists Invent A Wooden Car
[2016/02/11]
...
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-carbon-fibre-wood-car.html
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[EVDL] EVLN: Clean-Motion.sw Zbee Electric three-wheel nEV launched in India

2016-02-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.autocarpro.in/news-national/swedish-electric-wheeler-brand-zbee-enters-india-10443
Swedish electric three-wheeler brand Zbee enters India
Feb 10, 2016  Shobha Mathur

[images  
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Göran Folkesson (R), Clean Motion CEO and Anil Arora (L), Country Head,
Clean Motion India at the launch of the Zb

http://www.autocarpro.in/IMG/469/16469/img-20160210-121707041-hdr-699x380.jpg?1455099553
(rear)  The company plans to have over 1,000 Zbees on Indian roads by 2017

http://www.autocarpro.in/IMG/472/16472/zbee-picture-20130313-copy.jpg
]

Sweden-based Clean Motion today launched its Zbee electric commercial
vehicle in India, which will flag off its first commercial operation this
evening from DLF CyberHub in Gurgaon, Haryana under an agreement with DLF.
As part of a cluster, 25 Zbees will provide the last mile connectivity from
the CyberHub to nearby offices of DLF Cyber City and later on to the metro
stations.  

Under the agreement with DLF, Zbees will function from various retail
formats in Delhi-NCR. Homologated by ICAT Manesar and certified by
government authorities as an electric vehicle with a registered number
plate, about 100 Zbees per month will be locally assembled in India at
Faridabad in Haryana, but later local manufacturing is being envisaged. The
Zbee is currently imported as a CKD kit from Sweden. 

Made of a fibre reinforced plastic body the electric vehicle is lightweight
at around 270kg which enables the vehicle to strike a balance between its
light body structure and safety requirements. It comes with an advanced
lithium ion battery and a full charge that allows it to be driven for upto
50 kms. It can be recharged within an hour. Later a rapid charging device
will be introduced that will facilitate a recharge within 30 minutes. The
company claims that three Zbees can be fitted into a single parking space
thereby saving space. Energy efficient and environment friendly with zero
emissions, the Zbees operating cost is 30 percent of the cost of a fossil
fuel vehicle. It can seat two passengers and the driver and has a top speed
of 45 kph. In addition, it comes with a parking brake to prevent thefts. 

“We all know that fossil fuel run vehicles have contributed significantly in
adding the carbon footprint and emissions in our environment. To combat this
at Clean Motion we started developing technology which is lean, clean and
safe and can be a potential alternative transport solution and this led to
the Zbee,” said Goran Folkesson, CEO of Clean Motion. 

Expanding footprints in India 
Clean Motion has so far invested over US$ 1 million in its Indian operations
and plans to invest another US$ 10 million by 2017 for expanding its reach
across the counrty. An upcoming IPO to raise a capital of US$ 5 million this
April will go towards setting up a manufacturing facility for the Zbee in
the vicinity of Faridabad, confirms Folkesson. 

The target is to achieve about 70 percent localisation of parts over the
next 6-8 months so as to bring down the production cost by 2017. At present,
the Zbee costs Rs 5 lakh and with indigenisation the product cost is
expected to down by 50 percent within a year according to Anil Arora,
country head of Clean Motion India. 

The Faridabad assembly facility can rollout around 3,000-5,000 units
annually and a new modern manufacturing plant is expected to have an annual
production capacity of 5,000 units as well. The target is to set up multiple
micro factories for producing the Zbee in close proximity to its customers
as it expands across the country.

Interestingly, at present, many components like the windscreen and tyres are
locally procured while the lithium ion battery will be soon indigenised by a
Korean player in India. Clean Motion is then looking at locally
manufacturing the body of the Zbee in India to give a leg upto the Make in
India vision. 

The company is also closely working with Delhi integrated Multi-Modal
Transit System and other organisations for training drivers. About half of
the Zbee drivers will be women. Through the India-Sweden Joint Working Group
for Smart Cities, Clean Motion is now tapping the potential of leveraging
its Zbees in the initial 20 smart cities planned by the Union Government. 

“We hope we can closely work with FAME –Faster Adoption and Manufacturing of
Hybrid and Electric Vehicles in India, as part of the National Electric
Mobility Mission Plan and explore the option of offering incentives on
adoption of commercial electric vehicles,” said Arora. The Zbee is currently
sold in Sweden and Indonesia and India will be the third country on its
radar.
[© Autocar Professional]
...
http://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/auto/sweden-electric-car-zbee-makes-india-debut-promises-clean-and-safe-mobility/story/229033.html
Sweden's electric car Zbee makes India debut, promises clean and safe
mobility
February 10, 2016
...
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Enviro

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-interested student.uk wins dealer’s EV-scholarship

2016-02-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV

http://nissaninsider.co.uk/student-wins-dealers-ev-scholarship/
Student wins dealer’s EV scholarship
[20160211]

[image  
http://nissaninsider.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/picture-caption-within-Notes-for-Editors-.jpg
Picture shows (from left to right) Jim Rowan, Electric Vehicle Relations
Manager, Alex F Noble & Son, Pawel Janicki, Scholarship winner and Ross
Milligan, Engineering Curriculum Manager, Edinburgh College
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PAWEL Janicki (23), a second-year engineering student at Edinburgh College,
is the first winner of two scholarship cash awards being presented by
Midlothian Nissan dealer Alex F Noble & Son.

The firm has given £3,000 to support two students from the college’s
engineering courses to develop their knowledge and practical skills in the
growing sustainable vehicle engineering field.

A £1,500 scholarship is being awarded to Pawel this academic year and
another student will benefit next year. The students are selected based on
their interest in electric vehicles and each carry out an agreed project as
part of their studies.

The aim of the scholarship is to ensure the students leave college equipped
with a greater depth of knowledge in electric vehicle technology, helping
make them effective employees and providing the motor industry with the
support to move with sustainable transportation developments.

Pawel is currently studying on the HND Engineering Systems (with Renewable
Energies) course, having successfully completed year one in academic session
2014/15.

He originally completed the first year of an HND Photography course with an
A, but decided that the automotive industry was the route he wanted to
follow.

He said: “I completed a City & Guilds Light Vehicle Maintenance and Repair
course in 2013. At that time, I worked as an unpaid assistant in a garage
helping one of the mechanics.

“I have now joined the HND Engineering Systems (with Renewable Energies)
course as a route into continuing my education at University and received an
A grade for the first year of the course. The projects I worked on included
collecting data from the Solar Meadow at Midlothian Campus and comparing the
output power produced against the running costs of the college fleet of
electric cars”.

Pawel concluded: “My ultimate goal is to work for a Formula 1 team as a
technician or to be involved in car design”.

The new scholarships are the result of a long-standing partnership between
the college and Alex F Noble & Son, which includes the dealership providing
regular placements for automotive engineering students.

Last year, Alex F Noble & Son provided four new Nissan LEAFs for the
college’s electric vehicle project and to date they have been a successful
addition to the fleet.

Gordon Campbell, Sales Manager at Alex F Noble & Son said: “We’re very proud
of our long association with Edinburgh College and thrilled for Pawel in
winning the first of our two electric vehicle scholarships. “

Edinburgh College’s Engineering Curriculum Manager Ross Milligan said:
“Pawel’s a great student and a very worthy winner of the scholarship, so
we’re delighted he’s getting to benefit from Alex F Noble & Son’s
generosity. He’s proven that he’s passionate about sustainable engineering
and transport, and this award will really help him develop and achieve his
career aims.

“This partnership with Alex F Noble & Son is preparing students to become
integral parts of an evolving industry. It’s helping us give students extra
opportunities and providing the automotive industry with the workforce it
needs as it changes with developing technologies. This is a good
demonstration of close partnership working between education and our
industry partners.”
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