Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging lightblinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
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Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
; >> >> >> >> >> From: EV on behalf of damon henry via EV >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:37 AM >> To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light >> blinks after new pack install: cold weather package... >> >> >> >> Hi Cor, >> >> >> I'm not sure how much help you will get on a proper solution as you are >> kind of out there on the bleeding edge with the Leaf battery >> replacement >> thing and usually the one providing the answers :) >> >> >> A possible hack might be installing a battery cutoff switch for the 12 >> volt battery. Harbor Freight sells them for $8. >> >> https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html >> >> <https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html> >> >> Battery Cutoff Switch - Harbor Freight Tools >> <https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html> >> >> www.harborfreight.com >> >> Amazing deals on this Battery Cut Off Switch at Harbor Freight. Quality >> tools & low prices. >> >> >> >> >> Damon >> >> >> >> From: EV on behalf of Cor van de Water via >> EV >> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:11:47 PM >> To: ev@lists.evdl.org >> Subject: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks >> after new pack install: cold weather package... >> >> OK, I did something to my Leaf that I need to get fixed, because now >> the >> Leaf is charging the 12V battery whenever the car should be asleep, >> >> as a result it is losing charge from the main pack. >> >> It started two days ago when I removed the new (warranty replacement >> battery) from this 2012 Leaf SL with cold weather package. >> >> I do not know why it has a cold weather package, being in California it >> never gets below freezing in a car so a cold weather package is quite >> odd, but anyhow. >> >> I installed a 2011 battery, apparently without cold weather package >> knowledge in the LBC. >> >> Since then, every time the car is supposed to sleep, it starts blinking >> the 3rd charging LED and is actually charging the 12V battery to 14.4V >> continuously, >> >> resulting in 1 mile range loss every hour. >> >> Anybody have a clue how to get the car to stop being confused about the >> cold weather package? >> >> Does the LBC need to be reprogrammed? I can modify the configuration >> (serial) memory of the LBC, if I know what to change. >> >> Or should I have the car's computer reprogrammed to tell it to forget >> about the cold weather package? I do not need it! >> >> Don't really want to pull the 12V battery contact off every time I want >> to park the car more than a day and the energy loss >> >> is quite a waste as well... >> >> Any Leaf experts out there? >> Cor. >> >> >> >> BTW, the model nrs of the new 2017 battery that I removed and the 2011 >> battery that I installed: >> >> 2017 battery: 295B09RB9D >> >> 2011 battery: 295B03NA0A >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170703/dd38 >> 58fa/attachment.htm> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >> >> EVDL Subscription Information and Help >> <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >> >> www.evdl.org >> >> About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 >> by >> EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of >> information >> and help for people ... >> >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> EV -- Electric Vehicle Discussion List - lists.evdl.org ... >> <http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> >> >> lists.evdl.org >> >> The Electric Vehicle Discussion List is a forum for discussing the >> current state of the art and future direction of electric vehicles >> (EVs). We define an EV as a ... >> >> >> Read EVAngel's
Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
low prices. > > > > >Damon > > > >From: EV on behalf of Cor van de Water via >EV >Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:11:47 PM >To: ev@lists.evdl.org >Subject: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks >after new pack install: cold weather package... > >OK, I did something to my Leaf that I need to get fixed, because now >the >Leaf is charging the 12V battery whenever the car should be asleep, > >as a result it is losing charge from the main pack. > >It started two days ago when I removed the new (warranty replacement >battery) from this 2012 Leaf SL with cold weather package. > >I do not know why it has a cold weather package, being in California it >never gets below freezing in a car so a cold weather package is quite >odd, but anyhow. > >I installed a 2011 battery, apparently without cold weather package >knowledge in the LBC. > >Since then, every time the car is supposed to sleep, it starts blinking >the 3rd charging LED and is actually charging the 12V battery to 14.4V >continuously, > >resulting in 1 mile range loss every hour. > >Anybody have a clue how to get the car to stop being confused about the >cold weather package? > >Does the LBC need to be reprogrammed? I can modify the configuration >(serial) memory of the LBC, if I know what to change. > >Or should I have the car's computer reprogrammed to tell it to forget >about the cold weather package? I do not need it! > >Don't really want to pull the 12V battery contact off every time I want >to park the car more than a day and the energy loss > >is quite a waste as well... > >Any Leaf experts out there? >Cor. > > > >BTW, the model nrs of the new 2017 battery that I removed and the 2011 >battery that I installed: > >2017 battery: 295B09RB9D > >2011 battery: 295B03NA0A > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170703/dd38 >58fa/attachment.htm> >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > >EVDL Subscription Information and Help ><http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > >www.evdl.org > >About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 >by >EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of >information >and help for people ... > > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >EV -- Electric Vehicle Discussion List - lists.evdl.org ... ><http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> > >lists.evdl.org > >The Electric Vehicle Discussion List is a forum for discussing the >current state of the art and future direction of electric vehicles >(EVs). We define an EV as a ... > > >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > >EVDL EV News Archive - Electric Vehicle Discussion List ><http://evdl.org/evln/> > >evdl.org > >EVLN - EV News Archive Edited by Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter: EVLN: home >| >help | archive | news | privacy policy | terms of service > > >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > >Yahoo! Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > >groups.yahoo.com > >/ > > > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170706/a0d0 >67ac/attachment.htm> >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > >EVDL Subscription Information and Help ><http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > >www.evdl.org > >About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 >by >EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of >information >and help for people ... > > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/758458da/attachment.htm> >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
home > | help | archive | news | privacy policy | terms of service > > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > > Yahoo! Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > > groups.yahoo.com > > / > > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170706/a0 > d0 > 67ac/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > EVDL Subscription Information and Help > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > www.evdl.org > > About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 > by EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of > information and help for people ... > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/75 > 8458da/attachment.htm> ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
; > Battery Cutoff Switch - Harbor Freight Tools > <https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html> > > www.harborfreight.com > > Amazing deals on this Battery Cut Off Switch at Harbor Freight. Quality > tools & low prices. > > > > > Damon > > > > From: EV on behalf of Cor van de Water via > EV > Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:11:47 PM > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks > after new pack install: cold weather package... > > OK, I did something to my Leaf that I need to get fixed, because now the > Leaf is charging the 12V battery whenever the car should be asleep, > > as a result it is losing charge from the main pack. > > It started two days ago when I removed the new (warranty replacement > battery) from this 2012 Leaf SL with cold weather package. > > I do not know why it has a cold weather package, being in California it > never gets below freezing in a car so a cold weather package is quite > odd, but anyhow. > > I installed a 2011 battery, apparently without cold weather package > knowledge in the LBC. > > Since then, every time the car is supposed to sleep, it starts blinking > the 3rd charging LED and is actually charging the 12V battery to 14.4V > continuously, > > resulting in 1 mile range loss every hour. > > Anybody have a clue how to get the car to stop being confused about the > cold weather package? > > Does the LBC need to be reprogrammed? I can modify the configuration > (serial) memory of the LBC, if I know what to change. > > Or should I have the car's computer reprogrammed to tell it to forget > about the cold weather package? I do not need it! > > Don't really want to pull the 12V battery contact off every time I want > to park the car more than a day and the energy loss > > is quite a waste as well... > > Any Leaf experts out there? > Cor. > > > > BTW, the model nrs of the new 2017 battery that I removed and the 2011 > battery that I installed: > > 2017 battery: 295B09RB9D > > 2011 battery: 295B03NA0A > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170703/dd38 > 58fa/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > EVDL Subscription Information and Help > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > www.evdl.org > > About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 by > EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of information > and help for people ... > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > EV -- Electric Vehicle Discussion List - lists.evdl.org ... > <http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> > > lists.evdl.org > > The Electric Vehicle Discussion List is a forum for discussing the > current state of the art and future direction of electric vehicles > (EVs). We define an EV as a ... > > > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > > EVDL EV News Archive - Electric Vehicle Discussion List > <http://evdl.org/evln/> > > evdl.org > > EVLN - EV News Archive Edited by Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter: EVLN: home | > help | archive | news | privacy policy | terms of service > > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > > Yahoo! Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> > > groups.yahoo.com > > / > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170706/a0d0 > 67ac/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > EVDL Subscription Information and Help > <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > > www.evdl.org > > About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 by > EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of information > and help for people ... > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/758458da/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
, but anyhow. I installed a 2011 battery, apparently without cold weather package knowledge in the LBC. Since then, every time the car is supposed to sleep, it starts blinking the 3rd charging LED and is actually charging the 12V battery to 14.4V continuously, resulting in 1 mile range loss every hour. Anybody have a clue how to get the car to stop being confused about the cold weather package? Does the LBC need to be reprogrammed? I can modify the configuration (serial) memory of the LBC, if I know what to change. Or should I have the car's computer reprogrammed to tell it to forget about the cold weather package? I do not need it! Don't really want to pull the 12V battery contact off every time I want to park the car more than a day and the energy loss is quite a waste as well... Any Leaf experts out there? Cor. BTW, the model nrs of the new 2017 battery that I removed and the 2011 battery that I installed: 2017 battery: 295B09RB9D 2011 battery: 295B03NA0A -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170703/dd38 58fa/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> EVDL Subscription Information and Help <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> www.evdl.org About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 by EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of information and help for people ... http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org EV -- Electric Vehicle Discussion List - lists.evdl.org ... <http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> lists.evdl.org The Electric Vehicle Discussion List is a forum for discussing the current state of the art and future direction of electric vehicles (EVs). We define an EV as a ... Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ EVDL EV News Archive - Electric Vehicle Discussion List <http://evdl.org/evln/> evdl.org EVLN - EV News Archive Edited by Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter: EVLN: home | help | archive | news | privacy policy | terms of service Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> Yahoo! Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA> groups.yahoo.com / -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170706/a0d0 67ac/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> EVDL Subscription Information and Help <http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> www.evdl.org About the EVDL: The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 by EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and vital source of information and help for people ... http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/758458da/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] SN1 Tesla-3 EV production on 7/7& 1st 30 pre-order customers' handover-party on 7/28/2017
[ref: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/SN1-Tesla-3-EV-production-on-7-7-amp-1st-30-pre-order-customers-handover-party-on-7-28-2017-td4687209.html ] After checking for any announcements on the 1st Tesla-3 or for an update on its handover-party, I *updated my original post subject for better clarity. Since the U.S. Fed Gov gave approval early, Musk tweeted they could start producing Tesla-3 EVs, with serial-number 1 (SN1) happening on Friday, 7/7/2017. But the 1st-30 pre-order customers' handover-party with still be at the end of the month 7/28/2017 (when the 1st 30 Tesla-3 EVs will be delivered). [links: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-production-facts-features-2017-7 http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/07/tesla-model-3-production-will-start-today.html https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/first-tesla-3-to-roll-off-assembly-line-friday/83761/ http://www.tflcar.com/2017/07/first-tesla-model-3-sedans-delivered-july-28-news/ https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-3-handover-party-on-july-28-first-30-clients-get-their-evs-119058.html shares https://twitter.com/elonmusk Elon Musk @elonmusk Jul 2 Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3's on the 28th! Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500. (sidebar BBC News (World) @BBCWorld 12h12 hours ago Tesla to build 'biggest battery' HuffPost Australia @HuffPostAU 13h13 hours ago .@elonmusk's @TeslaMotors is helping South Australia build the world's largest lithium-ion battery South Australia and Tesla To Build World's Largest Battery And it will be built by December or it's free. Elon Musk @elonmusk 15h15 hours ago This will be the highest power battery system in the world by a factor of 3. Australia rocks!! ) https://twitter.com/TeslaMotors/status/883163847594360833 We are installing the world's largest lithium-ion battery storage project in South Australia … ] For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.neocities.org} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-SN1-Tesla-3-EV-production-on-7-7-1st-30-pre-order-customers-handover-party-on-7-28-2017-tp4687248.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
Near downtown seattle. I have a 2011 leaf with probably about 75-80% battery. I might be able to make it to skykomish in summer, maybe. Winter, absolutely not. Peri -- Original Message -- From: a.swackham...@comcast.net To: "Peri Hartman" ; "ev" Cc: Sent: 07-Jul-17 10:41:49 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 How far away are you from Edmonds? From: "Peri Hartman via EV" To: "ev" Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 10:33:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 Sounds encouraging. And, you had no issue with the skykomish or Sultan QC working properly? Peri -- Original Message -- From: a.swackham...@comcast.net To: "Peri Hartman" ; "ev" Cc: Sent: 07-Jul-17 10:30:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 >Peri, I have done this several times. I usually end up in Plain. >From Edmonds we make it to Skykomish, charge there and have about 22 >miles left as the summit. Regen down and have 22-25 miles left at >Plain. On the way back, full charge when leaving Plain. Plenty of >extra at the summit and regen to Sultan. Home with 40+ to Edmonds. >That is summer travel. Winter is a little more tight but have done it >several times. Plan to go to Wenatchee in a few weeks and maybe >Chelan. > > >From: "Peri Hartman via EV" >To: "ev" >Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:19:33 AM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 > > > > >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html > >Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA > >U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane > >now > >has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly >scenic > >byway in all of ... > > >Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly >improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty >steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. > >For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a >4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this >will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is >65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give >me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from >Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would >have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's >another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to >make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get >range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. >Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're >stuck. > >Has anyone tried a trip like this? > >Peri > >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/46f0e78a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/1946e839/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
How far away are you from Edmonds? - Original Message - From: "Peri Hartman via EV" To: "ev" Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 10:33:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 Sounds encouraging. And, you had no issue with the skykomish or Sultan QC working properly? Peri -- Original Message -- From: a.swackham...@comcast.net To: "Peri Hartman" ; "ev" Cc: Sent: 07-Jul-17 10:30:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 >Peri, I have done this several times. I usually end up in Plain. >From Edmonds we make it to Skykomish, charge there and have about 22 >miles left as the summit. Regen down and have 22-25 miles left at >Plain. On the way back, full charge when leaving Plain. Plenty of >extra at the summit and regen to Sultan. Home with 40+ to Edmonds. >That is summer travel. Winter is a little more tight but have done it >several times. Plan to go to Wenatchee in a few weeks and maybe >Chelan. > > > >From: "Peri Hartman via EV" >To: "ev" >Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:19:33 AM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 > > > > >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html > > > >Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA > >U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane > >now > >has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly >scenic > >byway in all of ... > > >Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly >improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty >steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. > >For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a >4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this >will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is >65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give >me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from >Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would >have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's >another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to >make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get >range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. >Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're >stuck. > >Has anyone tried a trip like this? > >Peri > >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/46f0e78a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/9a295774/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
None at all. - Original Message - From: "Peri Hartman via EV" To: "ev" Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 10:33:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 Sounds encouraging. And, you had no issue with the skykomish or Sultan QC working properly? Peri -- Original Message -- From: a.swackham...@comcast.net To: "Peri Hartman" ; "ev" Cc: Sent: 07-Jul-17 10:30:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 >Peri, I have done this several times. I usually end up in Plain. >From Edmonds we make it to Skykomish, charge there and have about 22 >miles left as the summit. Regen down and have 22-25 miles left at >Plain. On the way back, full charge when leaving Plain. Plenty of >extra at the summit and regen to Sultan. Home with 40+ to Edmonds. >That is summer travel. Winter is a little more tight but have done it >several times. Plan to go to Wenatchee in a few weeks and maybe >Chelan. > > > >From: "Peri Hartman via EV" >To: "ev" >Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:19:33 AM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 > > > > >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html > > > >Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA > >U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane > >now > >has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly >scenic > >byway in all of ... > > >Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly >improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty >steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. > >For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a >4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this >will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is >65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give >me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from >Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would >have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's >another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to >make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get >range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. >Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're >stuck. > >Has anyone tried a trip like this? > >Peri > >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/46f0e78a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/f4a8fdd6/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
Sounds encouraging. And, you had no issue with the skykomish or Sultan QC working properly? Peri -- Original Message -- From: a.swackham...@comcast.net To: "Peri Hartman" ; "ev" Cc: Sent: 07-Jul-17 10:30:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 Peri, I have done this several times. I usually end up in Plain. From Edmonds we make it to Skykomish, charge there and have about 22 miles left as the summit. Regen down and have 22-25 miles left at Plain. On the way back, full charge when leaving Plain. Plenty of extra at the summit and regen to Sultan. Home with 40+ to Edmonds. That is summer travel. Winter is a little more tight but have done it several times. Plan to go to Wenatchee in a few weeks and maybe Chelan. From: "Peri Hartman via EV" To: "ev" Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:19:33 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 > >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html >Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA >U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane >now >has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly scenic >byway in all of ... > Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a 4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is 65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're stuck. Has anyone tried a trip like this? Peri ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/46f0e78a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
Peri, I have done this several times. I usually end up in Plain. From Edmonds we make it to Skykomish, charge there and have about 22 miles left as the summit. Regen down and have 22-25 miles left at Plain. On the way back, full charge when leaving Plain. Plenty of extra at the summit and regen to Sultan. Home with 40+ to Edmonds. That is summer travel. Winter is a little more tight but have done it several times. Plan to go to Wenatchee in a few weeks and maybe Chelan. - Original Message - From: "Peri Hartman via EV" To: "ev" Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:19:33 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2 > >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html > >Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA >U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane >now >has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly scenic >byway in all of ... > Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a 4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is 65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're stuck. Has anyone tried a trip like this? Peri ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170707/f54c7e79/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: US Highway 2
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane now has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly scenic byway in all of ... Looking at Plugshare, the number of charging points has certainly improved over the last couple years. Aside from cost, which is pretty steep ($0.50 / kwh at skykomish), it's still a challenge. For example, it's about 80 miles from Seattle to Stevens Pass, with a 4000' climb (6000' if you include the ups and downs). For a Leaf, this will require a charge somewhere before climbing the pass. Skykomish is 65 miles, which might be possible without a stop, but would likely give me range anxiety. So, I would need to stop in Sultan, 45 miles from Seattle. There's aren't any charge points at Stevens Pass, so I would have to stop at Skykomish, about 25 miles from Sultan. From there it's another 15 miles to the pass. On the return, maybe it's possible to to make it all the way back to Sultan but, again, I probably would get range anxiety. So, another stop at Skykomish, and then at Sultan. Doable, but risky. If any of these charge points aren't working, you're stuck. Has anyone tried a trip like this? Peri ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170707
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-GM-s-Hughes-cuts-EV-batteries-open-to-find-what-went-wrong-gt-li-ion-forensics-td4687239.html EVLN: GM's Hughes cuts EV batteries open to find what went wrong> (li-ion forensics) How Does an Automotive Battery Engineer Work? ... he conducts forensics tests on failed batteries, mostly for fully electric cars such as the ... Bolt EV ... describes himself as a “cell technical specialist ... It’s ... the cool factor” ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-VW-Gen-E-research-concept-prototype-EV-previewed-td4687238.html EVLN: VW Gen.E research concept prototype EV previewed Volkswagen is dead serious about its future electric plans. ... Gen.E research prototype – that is telling us ... about the brand's electric future ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Exciters-transducers-save-EV-weight-gt-Continental-Speaker-Less-Audio-System-v-td4687237.html EVLN: Exciters/transducers save EV weight> Continental Speaker-Less Audio System (v) “In the age of electric vehicles, car manufacturers are looking for innovative solutions to drastically reduce the weight of their vehicles and gain space for ... + http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/1st-Zoe-e-taxies-starting-Zorlu-Shopping-Center-Mall-in-Zincirlikuyu-tr-td4687236.html 1st Zoe e-taxies starting @Zorlu Shopping Center Mall in Zincirlikuyu.tr Era of electric cabs begins in Istanbul The Electric Taxi Project, which was previously reported on by Turkish daily Dünya, has been officially initiated in Istanbul. The vehicles ... are primarily Renault's "Zoes" ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Scenic-Electric-Highway-US-2-EVSE-goes-through-Spokane-WA-td4687235.html Scenic 'Electric Highway' (US 2) EVSE goes through Spokane-WA U.S. Highway 2 across the Washington Cascades from Everett to Spokane now has the distinction of being the first electric-vehicle-friendly scenic byway in all of ... http://evdl.org/evln/ For all EVLN EV-newswire posts {brucedp.neocities.org} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EV-newswire-posts-for-20170707-tp4687240.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)