[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171021

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Mitsubishi-Emirai4-auton-EV-concept-with-creepy-tech-v-tp4688301.html
EVLN: Mitsubishi Emirai4 auton EV concept> (with creepy tech) (v)
 ... Mitsubishi Electric is a separate division from Mitsubishi Motors ...
Mitsubishi doesn't just make ice and tax-dodging hybrid SUV gubbins. It's
also got a splinter cell business called Mitsubishi Electric – a firm that 
specializes in electronics ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Zaporizhia-ZAZ-EVs-Ukrainian-postal-service-are-already-a-ZAZ-Lanos-EV-customer-tp4688302.html
EVLN: Zaporizhia (ZAZ) EVs> Ukrainian postal service are already a ZAZ Lanos
EV customer
ZAZ plans to produce first electric car in Ukraine
Zaporizhia automobile building plant (ZAZ) plans to try yourself in the role
of a pioneer of electric vehicles in Ukraine. The manufacturer is ready to
release ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-US-Army-s-EV-revolution-e-tanks-GM-s-auton-e-Silent-Utility-Rover-tp4688300.html
EVLN: US Army's EV revolution> e-tanks, GM's auton e-Silent Utility Rover
US Army doesn't want to be left out of the electric revolution ...
electrification would likely encourage manufacturers to accelerate their EV
efforts. The US army has its sights set on all-electric tanks ... designed
for combat. Last year General Motors reaveled an electrical autonomous
vehicle, called Silent Utility Rover ...

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/How-important-is-the-ability-to-recharge-w-o-plugging-in-a-cord-Does-wireless-matter-tp4688299.html
How important is the ability to recharge w/o plugging in a cord?> Does
wireless matter?
How much does wireless charging matter for electric cars?
On the pro side, wireless charging may be easier for owners and drivers ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: Zaporizhia (ZAZ) EVs> Ukrainian postal service are already a ZAZ Lanos EV customer

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://micetimes.asia/zaz-plans-to-produce-first-electric-car-in-ukraine/
ZAZ plans to produce first electric car in Ukraine
19.10.2017  paradox

[image  
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Lanos EV
]

ЗАЗ планирует выпустить первый электромобиль в Украине
[.ua>translate.google>.en
ZAZ plans to launch the first electric car in Ukraine
]

On the first batch of electric ZAZ Lanos already have a customer.

Zaporizhia automobile building plant (ZAZ) plans to try yourself in the role
of a pioneer of electric vehicles in Ukraine. The manufacturer is ready to
release hundreds of electric ZAZ Lanos. And how did you find the
journalists, the first batch of cars already have customer – “Ukrposhta”.

The representatives of “Ukrposhta” has already in an experimental mode to
learn about the latest ZAZ and company management are satisfied with the
results.

At this stage of the company discuss the issue of production and the volume
of the party, but along with this it is known that in free sale the electric
car “Lanos” unless it is because of the high cost. Manufacturers have
estimated that to produce its beneficial only if the cost of one battery
will be $200 [pkWh], now the price hovers around $300.

Manufacturers believe that to save the situation would help government
support for the industry, as in recent years, car sales fell sharply and
factories are not going through the best of times.
[© 2017 micetimes.asia]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrposhta
JSC Ukrainian Postal Service or Ukrposhta is the national state enterprise
of Ukraine, a member of Universal Postal Union since 1947 ...
...
[dated]
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2017/08/03/lithium-ion-batteries-below-200kwh-by-2019-will-drive-rapid-storage-uptake-finds-ihs-markit/
Lithium-ion batteries below $200/kWh by 2019 will drive rapid storage uptake
...
Aug 3, 2017 - The analysts expect cumulative installed base of energy
storage to reach 52 GW globally by 2025, up from 4 GW today. Annual revenues
for grid-connected storage to reach more than $7bn by that date despite
sharp price declines ... Lithium-ion batteries will establish themselves as
the leading chemistry in longer duration systems aimed at the two-to-four
hour duration segment ...
https://16iwyl195vvfgoqu3136p2ly-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Battery-storage-2.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: Mitsubishi Emirai4 auton EV concept> (with creepy tech) (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

'Emirai4 won’t make production'

http://gearsofbiz.com/mitsubishi-killed-the-evo-for-future-cars-like-the-emirai-4-ev-concept/134651
Mitsubishi Killed The Evo For Future Cars Like The Emirai 4 EV Concept
18 October 2017  Daniela Blot

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Meet Mitsubishi Electric’s latest concept, complete with augmented reality.

Not everyone is aware of this, but Mitsubishi Electric is a separate
division from Mitsubishi Motors. Quite obviously, it specializes in
electronics, like refrigerators and air conditioners. But as we continue to
see a fusion of cars and advanced electronics, it makes complete sense for
this division to build a concept car. Meet the Emirai 4 concept, which will
make its debut later this month at the Tokyo Motor Show, alongside the
e-Evolution concept. The future of mobility clearly involves electronics,
and this concept is full of them.

For starters, the Emirai 4 is a pure electric vehicle that’s capable of
being driven by a human being or going completely autonomous. The interior
features a head-up display that incorporates augmented reality using a
high-accuracy locator combined with 3D mapping and positioning technology.
There’s also a knob-on-display, described as “an intuitive sliding knob that
enables drivers to operate various functions without taking their eyes off
the road.” Another feature is a so-called Crossed Images Display: a half
mirror with a diagonal LCD panel and vertical virtual image from another LCD
panel that provides a clear 3D image of the environment around the vehicle.

And here’s the cool but kind of creepy technology: driver sensing. There’s a
wide-angle interior camera that monitors both the driver and front passenger
by detecting their head postures to alert potentially dangerous driving
behavior. Safety first? Yes. But knowing the car’s computer is constantly
looking at you? Creepy. Lastly, there are sensors in the car body that can
detect when a door is about to be opened. Once that happens, the sensors
activate an illuminated indicator that’s projected onto the road surface and
another on the car itself, making it easier for other vehicles and
pedestrians to see that a door is about to open. Of course the Emirai 4
won’t make production, but a lot of its technology could one day.
[© GearsOfBiz.com 2017]



https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tokyo-motor-show/meet-emirai-4-mitsubishis-autonomous-ev-concept
Meet Emirai 4, Mitsubishi’s autonomous EV concept
18 Oct 2017  Rowan Horncastle

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Tokyo Motor ShowMitsubishi

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]

Kooky concept keeps Japan weird thanks to a human-machine interface and
knob-on technology

Mitsubishi doesn’t just make L200s and an SUV full of tax-dodging hybrid
gubbins. It’s also got a splinter cell business called Mitsubishi Electric –
a firm that makes escalators, air-conditioning units and other useful stuff
you’d love to see a Ralliart version of.

For the Tokyo Motor Show, said Mitsubishi Electric has knocked together a
concept car. It’s an autonomous EV called Emirai 4, and is much, erm, cooler
than an air conditioning unit.

Like any task from The Apprentice, there was ‘a theme’ to the build. That
theme being “feeling with you; convenient, safe and comfortable for each
one”. Yeah, us too. The result is a bobsled-like design that houses
technology that knows when you’re slouching, having a chat and can map the
road out in front of you in bad weather, so it can take over control to do
all the tedious things for you. Like, um, driving.

It’s all thanks to Emirai 4’s driving-assistance tech that utilises a
wide-angle interior camera to monitor the driver and passengers behaviour to
work out when you, the human, should be relinquishing your driving duties to
the computers.

There’s also scary-sounding human-machine interface (HMI) software that
incorporates a head-up display with augmented reality. The augmented reality
uses 3D mapping and positioning technology to scan and mimic the road ahead
on the head-up display to turn reality into Forza, in order to keep you
pointing forwar

[EVDL] EVLN: US Army's EV revolution> e-tanks, GM's auton e-Silent Utility Rover

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://electrek.co/2017/10/18/us-army-electric-revolution-official-talks-all-electric-brigades/
US Army doesn’t want to be left out of the electric revolution, official
talks ‘all-electric brigades’
Oct. 18th 2017  Fred Lambert

[image  
https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/abrams_in_formation-e1508346453539.jpg?quality=82&w=1500#038;strip=all&w=1600
tanks
]

Can you imagine a whole brigade of all-electric Abrams tanks powered by
those new ‘Solar farm in a box’ systems being deployed in combat zones? We
are not quite there yet, but the US Army is apparently aware that it is a
likely possibility due to their long-standing close links with the auto
industry, which is currently in an important electric transition.

During the the Association of the U.S. Army’s annual meeting last week,
Donald Sando, the Maneuver Center of Excellence’s deputy to the commanding
general, which develops future requirements for individual soldiers and the
maneuver force, claimed that electric vehicles will play an important role
in the US Army relatively soon.

He said during the meeting (via Defense News):

“In 10 years, some of our brigade combat teams will be all-electric,” he
continued “that’s a generational change. It’s significant; and we’re going
to do it; and we’re going to need industry’s help. There’s plenty of people
who say we can’t do it.”

Sando referenced the Next-Gen Combat Vehicle program, which is currently
spending $700 million on two prototypes made by a SAIC-led team at the Army
Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center. As you would
imagine, not much information is available about the project which is due in
late 2022, but Sando is suggesting that the prototypes could end up being
electric.

Maj. Gen. Cedric Wins, the commander of Army Research, Development and
Engineering Command, added that the military isn’t likely going to be a
leader in electrification. He expects that the military’s adoption of the
technology will be a consequence of its partnership with the commercial
automotive industry, which is going electric. He said:

“In 15 to 20 years, it‘s hard to believe if industry moved in the
direction of electric-powered vehicles that the Army would not be somewhere
near there. Its brigade combat team consumes 2,000 gallons of fuel per day.
We’ve got to think about other ways.”

With the size of US Army’s fleet, a move toward electrification would likely
encourage manufacturers to accelerate their EV efforts.

It certainly wouldn’t be their first EVs. Albeit not combat vehicles, we
recently reported on the U.S. Air Force using a Tesla Model S as chase car
to launch spy planes on a Royal Air Force base and they also recently
purchased a Tesla Model X to study its ‘fully self-driving’ capability.
[© electrek.co]



http://www.alphr.com/cars/1007425/the-us-army-has-its-sights-set-on-all-electric-tanks
The US army has its sights set on all-electric tanks
19 Oct 2017  Abigail Beall

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“In 10 years, some of our brigade combat teams will be all-electric”

The electric vehicle movement is not limited to cars, planes and flying
cars. In a few years, tanks will be electric too.

“In 10 years, some of our brigade combat teams will be all-electric,” said
Donald Sando, Deputy to the Commanding General, at the Association of the US
Army’s annual meeting on Wednesday, in a panel discussion hosted by Defense
News.

Sando works at the Maneuver Center of Excellence, which predicts what the
army will require in future for soldiers individually and the force as a
whole. He says the move to electric vehicles is not only likely to happen,
it’s necessary.

“It’s significant; and we’re going to do it; and we’re going to need
industry’s help,” Sando said. “There’s plenty of people who say we can’t do
it.”

Last week the army kicked off a prototyping scheme, to develop what it calls
its Next-Generation Combat Vehicle (NGCV). It awarded an industry contract
worth $700 million (£530 million) to build two demonstration vehicles by
2022. The wining team consisted of SAIC, Lockheed Martin, Moog, GS
Engineering, Hodges Transportation and Roush Industries.

The new vehicles will replace the current M1 Abrams tank and M2 Bradley
fighting vehicle. “We need to go to the next-generation squad, and we need
to go to the next-generation combat vehicle,” Sando said. “If they’re not
electric or hydroelectric, then I’m wrong.” 

This would not be the first electric vehicle designed for combat. Last year
General Motors reaveled an electrical autonomous vehicle, called Silent
Utility Rover Universal Superstructure, or SURUS ... The company mentioned
it was looking into using SURUS as a truck, and it had been evaluated by the
military under guidance of the U.S. Army Tank Automotive Research,
Development and Engineering Center (TARDEC)

 ... “Gen

[EVDL] How important is the ability to recharge w/o plugging in a cord?> Does wireless matter?

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1113306_how-much-does-wireless-charging-matter-for-electric-cars-poll-results
How much does wireless charging matter for electric cars? Poll results
Oct 17, 2017  John Voelcker

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2018 BMW 530e iPerformance wireless charging
]

The announcements by BMW and Mercedes-Benz that they would offer wireless
charging as an option next year raise a question for electric-car advocates.

How important is the ability to recharge a vehicle without plugging in a
cord?

On the pro side, wireless charging may be easier for owners and drivers, who
don't have to remember to plug in the charging cable when they park.

As envisioned by makers of inductive charging equipment (as it's formally
known), semi-autonomous cars of the future would even know how to position
themselves over the charging mat.

That means drivers would be relieved of the need to ensure the car is in
exactly the right place to enable the two coils—one in the mat on the
ground, the other on the undercarriage of the car—to align.

Such self-driving features are likely to be introduced first at the top end
of the market, so it makes sense that the two German brands will offer the
option on pricey plug-in hybrid sedan models.

On the other hand, purchase and installation of wireless charging equipment
isn't cheap, currently running several thousand dollars.

That includes buying and installing the charging mat, which may require
trenching for the power cable (depending on local building codes) and then
installing the coil underneath the car itself.

Most electric-car owners seem to feel that plugging in a car to charge isn't
that big a hassle. Charging stations for personal use, meanwhile, now run
from $400 to $1,000, and every plug-in car comes with a charging port built
in.

We surveyed our Twitter followers to see how important they thought wireless
charging would be for plug-in electric vehicles in the future.

The results came down pretty firmly on the "nice to have but not a
game-changer" side: 45 percent called wireless charging "a nice option."

Another 35 percent thought it wasn't necessary, at least for them, choosing
the "Plugs are all you need" response.

Just 14 percent of respondents felt that wireless charging was "the best!"
and the remaining 6 percent felt it would be a low-volume option on cars of
the future.

We take away from this pretty much what we'd expected: wireless charging may
be an appealing option for some buyers, but it's probably not going to have
a huge effect on electric cars in general.
[© 2017 Green Car Reports]




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Re: [EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help

[Paul Compton via EV]

On 21 October 2017 at 17:42, Michael Ross via EV  wrote:

> I couldn't get any of the images to come up.

Just remove the [img] tags.

http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carfront0491.JPG
http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carside0490.JPG
http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1fullview0483.JPG
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Re: [EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help

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Click on the link and when the error shows up, place the cursor in the address 
line and delete the extra characters after the .jpgThen it will showCor


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Michael Ross via EV  
Date: 10/21/17  12:47 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
 Cc: Michael Ross  Subject: Re: 
[EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help 
I couldn't get any of the images to come up.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:27 AM, ptandjb via EV  wrote:

> I have also posted on diyelectriccar.com but no response yet,
>
> I am trying to help my 85 year old uncle realize one of his bucket list
> items while there is still time, to drive this car at least once. He has
> been working for over 30 years to slowly build an electric car using the GE
> EV1-B controller that he purchased in 1984. The car chassis was hand built:
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carfront0491.JPG[/img]
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carside0490.JPG[/img]
> It was finally finished recently and is in a machine shop in Ludlow
> Massachusetts. When we attempted to power it for the first time it failed.
> Overview of controller assembly:
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1fullview0483.JPG[/img]
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1closeup0485.JPG[/img]
> I have attempted to study the schematics and all available documentation.
> In
> my distant past I have a degree in electrical engineering so I should
> technically understand all documentation and pretty much understand how
> things should work.
> Using the “General Electric EV-! B, C, D Panel Replacement parts Lists and
> Troubleshooting/Tune-Up Instructions” manual,  I noted that with SEAT and
> BRAKE switches bypassed and KEY, FWD, and ACCEL switches appropriately set
> per 3rd bullet point in Symptom section 1B there is not BV at L3, L5, and
> L7, just minimal voltage. It appears but not confirmed that the new never
> used but 30+ year old EV1-B controller is defective and am at a loss on how
> to proceed. Any advice would be appreciated.
> Paul
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

[jim via EV]

"The interesting thing about this carbon brief map is that my 5kw array
is not listed. "
I just looked at the map and I noticed that at least for Wisconsin (my home) 
and Minnesota, there is a yellow dot near the center of the state that 
represents the installations under 1 MW.  I think that for WI it represents 
34MW and for MN 35MW or something close).  So I suspect that many small PV 
systems are being included, although it is hard to tell how they might  be 
reported.  But I didn't find an equivalent green dot on the wind maps for small 
systems so it seems they are ignoring all the small wind energy systems.
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Re: [EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help

[Michael Ross via EV]

I couldn't get any of the images to come up.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:27 AM, ptandjb via EV  wrote:

> I have also posted on diyelectriccar.com but no response yet,
>
> I am trying to help my 85 year old uncle realize one of his bucket list
> items while there is still time, to drive this car at least once. He has
> been working for over 30 years to slowly build an electric car using the GE
> EV1-B controller that he purchased in 1984. The car chassis was hand built:
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carfront0491.JPG[/img]
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carside0490.JPG[/img]
> It was finally finished recently and is in a machine shop in Ludlow
> Massachusetts. When we attempted to power it for the first time it failed.
> Overview of controller assembly:
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1fullview0483.JPG[/img]
> [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1closeup0485.JPG[/img]
> I have attempted to study the schematics and all available documentation.
> In
> my distant past I have a degree in electrical engineering so I should
> technically understand all documentation and pretty much understand how
> things should work.
> Using the “General Electric EV-! B, C, D Panel Replacement parts Lists and
> Troubleshooting/Tune-Up Instructions” manual,  I noted that with SEAT and
> BRAKE switches bypassed and KEY, FWD, and ACCEL switches appropriately set
> per 3rd bullet point in Symptom section 1B there is not BV at L3, L5, and
> L7, just minimal voltage. It appears but not confirmed that the new never
> used but 30+ year old EV1-B controller is defective and am at a loss on how
> to proceed. Any advice would be appreciated.
> Paul
>
>
> --
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[EVDL] 2018 Nissan LEAF article by AP

[Bob Bath via EV]

Was stunned to read the drivel that appeared on Yahoo News today.  Clearly 
author under influence of Koch. Choice cuts:
"No reason to drive an EV"
"Combustion vehicle range of 500-600 mi."

There's bias, then there's REALLY bad, over-the-top bias. This was the latter. 


Bob Bath, from his iPod, so any misspellings are from autocorrect or fat 
fingers on a small device, not cluelessness...

> On Oct 21, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> Paul Compton via EV wrote:
>> Drag factor is a load of crap.
>> 
>> It's drag in terms of force required to propel a vehicle at a given
>> speed that's important.
>> 
>> The drag factor is derived from that force and a reference area.
>> Inconsistencies in the way that area is calculated for road vehicles,
>> makes drag factor mostly a marketing figure.
> 
> I agree. CD is a useful metric from a designer's point of view. Design 
> engineers will define precisely how they are measuring drag, and then test 
> various models under identical conditions to find out what helps, and what 
> hinders. They are likely to use small scale models, in a wind tunnel. The 
> models don't move, and their wheels aren't turning; the air is blown over 
> them. The models often aren't "finished"; they have no lights, rear view 
> mirrors, door seams, the bottom is smooth, etc. The results are relative; but 
> don't apply all that well to the finished car.
> 
> Unfortunately, it gets twisted by marketing, and used for advertising 
> purposes. They'll take the CD for the best model, and pretend it applies to 
> the real car. Or simply make it up, to be a notch better than whatever the 
> competition just claimed.
> 
> As to the original question: "Why do electric vehicles have to look so ugly"? 
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and constantly changes depending on 
> fashion. Just look at what were considered to be "beautiful" cars over the 
> years! Some that were once considered gorgeous now look hideous!
> 
> Given the present state of the art, EVs do not have "power to waste" like 
> ICEs. EVs *have* to be designed more efficiently. That forces the stylists to 
> give at least some say to the engineers. EVs look the way they do because 
> they *work better* that way. In its own way, that is beautiful, too.
> 
> -- 
> We ascribe beauty to that which is simple, with no superfluous parts;
> which exactly answers its end; which stands related to all things, and
> is the mean of many extremes. (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
> 
> When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when
> I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.
>(Buckminster Fuller)
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV Question #19: why do electric vehicles have to look so ... silly?

[Lee Hart via EV]

Paul Compton via EV wrote:

Drag factor is a load of crap.

It's drag in terms of force required to propel a vehicle at a given
speed that's important.

The drag factor is derived from that force and a reference area.
Inconsistencies in the way that area is calculated for road vehicles,
makes drag factor mostly a marketing figure.


I agree. CD is a useful metric from a designer's point of view. Design engineers 
will define precisely how they are measuring drag, and then test various models 
under identical conditions to find out what helps, and what hinders. They are 
likely to use small scale models, in a wind tunnel. The models don't move, and 
their wheels aren't turning; the air is blown over them. The models often aren't 
"finished"; they have no lights, rear view mirrors, door seams, the bottom is 
smooth, etc. The results are relative; but don't apply all that well to the 
finished car.


Unfortunately, it gets twisted by marketing, and used for advertising purposes. 
They'll take the CD for the best model, and pretend it applies to the real car. 
Or simply make it up, to be a notch better than whatever the competition just 
claimed.


As to the original question: "Why do electric vehicles have to look so ugly"? 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and constantly changes depending on 
fashion. Just look at what were considered to be "beautiful" cars over the 
years! Some that were once considered gorgeous now look hideous!


Given the present state of the art, EVs do not have "power to waste" like ICEs. 
EVs *have* to be designed more efficiently. That forces the stylists to give at 
least some say to the engineers. EVs look the way they do because they *work 
better* that way. In its own way, that is beautiful, too.


--
We ascribe beauty to that which is simple, with no superfluous parts;
which exactly answers its end; which stands related to all things, and
is the mean of many extremes.(Ralph Waldo Emerson)

When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when
I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.
(Buckminster Fuller)
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Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Note that all those EVs replace gasoline cars and by typically being
more efficient as well as partial powered by renewables,
mean that the *big picture* is shifting from all-oil to partial
renewables by being converted from pure gasoline
to electric power.
BTW, here in California, I often hear the statement that approx half the
EV purchases also lead to PV installs to avoid
pushing the EV consumption into the highest tariff, in addition there is
a movement to Community Choice Energy
which means that the monopoly of the electric utility is broken when
several communities come together and
organise a structure that purchases energy for those communities.
Typically they offer a default choice with 50% fully renewable energy
and for a penny or so more, you can get 100%.
So, there is also a growing group of residents (and cities and
companies) who do nothing, but get their energy from
more renewable sources, by virtue of being in a community that organises
a CCE structure.

So yeah, a lot is happening that is not visble unless you know what is
going on and place it in the right perspective.
And Wind and Solar are still getting more competitive, while coal and
oil are only getting more expensive and
by that basic economy alone, fossil fuels are losing despite subsidies
and renewables are accelerating.

BTW, the message that electric consumption has grown is in direct
contrast with something that I saw earlier tonight
that said that electric consumption was down in the past years due to
more efficient appliances, I immediately had to
think about how every city that I know is converting all street lighting
and traffic lights to LED to reduce their bills.
Maybe they were not talking about the same field or country or market
segment, I don't know. Just weird to hear
two opposite statements the same night.
Cor.

-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT via EV
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 9:30 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: ROBERT
Subject: Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

This is a very informative article. One interesting statement was:

"(Note that while the low-carbon share is at record highs, renewables'
share of the mix remains slightly below where it was in 1960. This is
due to the growth of overall electricity demand.)"


If we assume EV use will increase the electrical demand at a rate
greater than the decrease caused by increased efficiency, then in the
next 20 years electrical demand will increase.  Unlike the period 2009 -
2016 where the electrical demand decreased. Using the statement above as
a guide and information from the article, renewables share of the mix
will decrease and natural gas share will increase.  This would be the
conclusion from the article; however, I am not sure I agree.




From: EV  on behalf of Peter Eckhoff via EV

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:59 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Peter Eckhoff
Subject: Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

The interesting thing about this carbon brief map is that my 5kw array
is not listed.  My installation predates a number of the large 5+ MW
installations that are highlighted when moused over.  It would take a
thousand of my type of installations to make up one yellow dot on the
map but I know that there are such roof top installations in this state
just by the sheer number of solar installation companies and by how long
they have been in business.

I am wondering if this map is under reporting the amount of solar
sourced generation taking place?  And if so, are other sources of
information under reporting the total amount of electricity being
generated?  We may be "cleaner" than we think.  Also, what about solar
hot water?


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV

wrote:

> https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity
[https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/us-map-screeshot
.jpg]

Mapped: How the US generates electricity | Carbon
Brief
www.carbonbrief.org
For the first time Carbon Brief has plotted the United States' power
stations in an interactive map to show how and where the US generates
electricity.


>
> Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great 
> interactive graphic about how we generate our electricity. This kind 
> of website should be extremely useful in the future if the EPA and 
> other governmental websites do not publish public information.
>
> Take AZ for example. If I rem correctly, an area 10 miles by 10 miles 
> of solar panels could generate enough electricity for the AZ usage 
> alone, but yet we have the majority of our elec produced by gas, coal 
> and nuclear... which I am sure is much more than 10 miles square of 
> the power plans, train tracks, gas lines etc.
>
> The problem as we

Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

[ROBERT via EV]

This is a very informative article. One interesting statement was:

"(Note that while the low-carbon share is at record highs, renewables’ share of 
the mix remains slightly below where it was in 1960. This is due to the growth 
of overall electricity demand.)"


If we assume EV use will increase the electrical demand at a rate greater than 
the decrease caused by increased efficiency, then in the next 20 years 
electrical demand will increase.  Unlike the period 2009 - 2016 where the 
electrical demand decreased. Using the statement above as a guide and 
information from the article, renewables share of the mix will decrease and 
natural gas share will increase.  This would be the conclusion from the 
article; however, I am not sure I agree.




From: EV  on behalf of Peter Eckhoff via EV 

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:59 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Peter Eckhoff
Subject: Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity

The interesting thing about this carbon brief map is that my 5kw array is
not listed.  My installation predates a number of the large 5+ MW
installations that are highlighted when moused over.  It would take a
thousand of my type of installations to make up one yellow dot on the map
but I know that there are such roof top installations in this state just by
the sheer number of solar installation companies and by how long they have
been in business.

I am wondering if this map is under reporting the amount of solar sourced
generation taking place?  And if so, are other sources of information under
reporting the total amount of electricity being generated?  We may be
"cleaner" than we think.  Also, what about solar hot water?


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV 
wrote:

> https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity
[https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/us-map-screeshot.jpg]

Mapped: How the US generates electricity | Carbon 
Brief
www.carbonbrief.org
For the first time Carbon Brief has plotted the United States' power stations 
in an interactive map to show how and where the US generates electricity.


>
> Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great interactive
> graphic
> about how we generate our electricity. This kind of website should be
> extremely
> useful in the future if the EPA and other governmental websites do not
> publish
> public information.
>
> Take AZ for example. If I rem correctly, an area 10 miles by 10 miles of
> solar
> panels could generate enough electricity for the AZ usage alone, but yet
> we have
> the majority of our elec produced by gas, coal and nuclear... which I am
> sure is
> much more than 10 miles square of the power plans, train tracks, gas lines
> etc.
>
> The problem as we all know is storage... but it seems like that problem is
> going
> to be solved, or is already solved if we just start manufacturing enough
> storage
> capacity.
>
> Rush Dougherty
> www.TucsonEV.com
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