[EVDL] Advice on new battery pack (Second thoughts)
Reading thru the prior comments (which I really appreciate) I am starting to wonder if I'm getting ahead of the cost curve. Maybe I should carefully consider if lithium i.e., Leaf packs, is the way to go, at this time? Another set of floodies is about $3000 and good for four to five years. Maybe by that time the cost for lithium will be substantially lower. What is the group thought on this? Pull the trigger ... or wait? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180621
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-r-300km-Rolls-Royce-EV-conversion-sacrilege-w-o-the-rattle-rumble-tp4690396.html
EVLN: r:300km Rolls-Royce EV conversion> sacrilege w/o the rattle
Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow gets conversion to electric; 'It's a little bit of
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15 Jun 2018 A vintage Rolls-Royce is set to get a new lease on life when it
finishes undergoing a radical conversion to an electric vehicle with no
noise, emissions or petrol ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9873752-3x2-700x467.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-C-D-2018-i3-Highs-Lows-Verdict-fancy-but-unimpressive-tp4690397.html
EVLN: C 2018 i3 Highs& Lows> Verdict= fancy but unimpressive
June 2018 Because of the BMW i3's city-car nature, we'd pick the
electric-only model and equip it ... At $48,795, our preferred i3 is priced
much higher than the ... Bolt EV ...
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https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/06/20/american-energy-alliance-poll-koch-tom-pyle-electric-vehicles
Poll by Former Koch Lobbyist Skews Public Support for Clean Cars, Electric
Vehicles
June 20, 2018 Though the public opinion poll showed that Americans
overwhelmingly view electric cars as better for the environment, and a
majority believe in the necessity ...
https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/styles/full_width_blog_image/public/blogimages/electric-vs-gas.jpg?itok=NGlayHhG
http://www.automotiveblog.co.uk/2018/06/best-used-electric-cars-for-under-1/
Best used electric cars for under £1
Jun 12, 2018 - For motorists looking for a used electric vehicle, vehicle
valuation experts at HPI have selected five of the best EVs to buy for under
£10,000. Electric vehicles (EVs) are more popular than ever with May seeing
an 18.7% increase in the number of new pure electric vehicles registered ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Compared-to-EVs-Toyota-Honda-fcvs-are-not-practical-tp4690395.html
Compared to EVs> Toyota, Honda fcvs are not practical
Jun 20 2018 ... Major car makers are not correct to believe that Hydrogen
Fuel Cell Vehicles are the future ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: C 2018 i3 Highs& Lows> Verdict= fancy but unimpressive
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-bmw-i3-in-depth-review
2018 BMW i3
June 2018 Multiple Authors
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While other EVs are going mainstream, this one remains quirky.
Few things this side of a supercar draw as many eyes in traffic as the BMW
i3. Its cheeky, futuristic styling rides upon a high-tech platform that is
equal parts carbon fiber and battery-electric propulsion. Tidy dimensions
make zipping through congested city traffic easy, and the i3 leaves nothing
in its wake except slack jaws. Unfortunately, the base i3 and the slightly
sportier i3s only offer 114 and 107 miles of combined EPA-rated driving
range, respectively—far less than the Chevrolet Bolt EV or the Tesla Model
3. The BMW can be had with a two-cylinder range-extending gasoline engine,
something neither the Chevy nor the Tesla offers, but if you’re not married
to the i3’s neat styling and cool interior, the lower-priced Bolt EV makes a
lot more sense.
Highs
Gorgeous interior, eco-luxe image, you’ll get noticed.
Lows
Limited range, undistinguished handling, you might get noticed for the wrong
reasons.
Verdict
A fancy package with unique features but unimpressive electric range.
What’s New for 2018?
The performance-oriented i3s model joins the lineup for 2018 and sports a
more aggressive exterior design in the form of new front and rear bumpers
and gloss-black grille and roofline accents. To live up to its sportier
appearance, the i3s comes with a lowered sport suspension, a wider track,
and 20-inch wheels that are a half-inch wider than those of the normal i3. A
184-hp electric motor provides extra punch (up 14 horsepower from the
standard car), but driving range suffers if the i3s is driven hard. Other
minor changes include an upgraded infotainment system with a much larger
optional display and available Apple CarPlay. A new brown leather and gray
cloth interior theme is available on the Giga World model, full LED
headlamps are now standard across the range, and two new colors join the
palette: Melbourne Red Metallic and Imperial Blue Metallic. Last year’s
21.6-kWh base model is no longer offered—fine by us.
What Was New for 2017?
For 2017, BMW gave the i3 a sizable range boost with the addition of a
33.2-kWh battery pack for an extra $2050. The new pack required no more
space than the old one and provided an EPA-rated 114 miles of electric range
on a charge. That’s a significant jump up from the entry-level pack’s
81-mile rating. The range extender can only be added to the optional larger
battery pack, providing three total powertrain choices for the 2017 i3.
Trims and Options We’d Choose
Because of the i3’s city-car nature, we’d pick the electric-only model and
equip it with the $1800 Giga World package, which adds:
• Lovely eucalyptus or dark-oak curved-wood dashboard trim
• Leather-and-wool seating surfaces
• 19-inch wheels
To that we’d pay $750 for front and rear parking sensors and $800 for the
16-speaker Harman/Kardon premium audio system. At $48,795, our preferred i3
is priced much higher than the Chevrolet Bolt EV, which offers more than
twice the driving range, but as of this writing, both cars are still
eligible for the $7500 federal EV tax credit.
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Best used electric cars for under £1
Jun 12, 2018 - For motorists looking for a used electric vehicle, vehicle
valuation experts at HPI have selected five of the best EVs to buy for under
£10,000. Electric vehicles (EVs) are more popular than ever with May seeing
an 18.7% increase in the number of new pure electric vehicles registered ...
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[EVDL] Compared to EVs> Toyota, Honda fcvs are not practical
https://www.torquenews.com/5422/toyota-mirai-honda-fcv-are-impractical-despite-their-advantage-over-ev-charge-times
Toyota Mirai, Honda FCV Are Impractical, Despite Their Advantage ...
Jun 20 2018 ... times of electric cars, but cars like Toyota Mirai and Honda
FCV are not practical ... Major car makers are not correct to believe that
Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles are the future ...
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[EVDL] will e-scooters take over e-bikes?
https://www.economist.com/business/2018/06/23/how-two-wheelers-are-weaving-their-way-into-urban-transport How two-wheelers are weaving their way into urban transport Jun 21st 2018 AMSTERDAM AND BEIJING THE streets of Beijing are thronged with two-wheeled contraptions. Some appear to be conventional petrol mopeds but as they zoom through red lights at pedestrian crossings their eerie silence and lack of exhaust reveals them as electric. Executives in suits cruise by on electric kick-scooters, looking like big kids on their way to school, though travelling much more enthusiastically. Electric bicycles, hacked together with a battery strapped to the frame and wired to a back-wheel hub containing a motor, crowd the edges of roads. China’s cities are at the forefront of a quiet swarm of electric two-wheeled vehicles. Millions now roam their centres. This transformation of urban mobility is also happening in the West, albeit with a notable addition that has yet to take off in China: firms that rent out electric kick-scooters. These are taking many American cities by storm and are arriving in Europe. In the bike-mad Netherlands nearly one in three newly bought bikes last year was electric, up from one in 20 a decade earlier. Commuters, from the sweat-averse to the environmentally conscious, are keen. Some 40% of Dutch e-cyclists use them to replace car journeys. Riding for fun is on the rise, too: a best-selling model in Europe last year was the e-mountain-bike. In Germany, 15% of new bikes sold in 2016 were electric, with sales up by 13% and exports by 66% compared with 2015. Belgium and France are big markets too. Whereas exports of regular bikes from China, Taiwan and Vietnam to the European Union fell by 15% between 2014 and 2016, e-bike exports more than doubled. Businesses are also joining the ride. One of Germany’s largest electric fleets is owned by Deutsche Post DHL, a logistics giant, and includes around 12,000 e-bikes and e-trikes (three-wheeled ones). ... For riders in American cities, however, e-scooters may steal the show. Their characteristics fit even more neatly into rental models than e-bikes do. Powered not just by electricity, but by volleys of venture money, e-scooters are the latest craze coming out of California. Revenue for some of the firms renting them is increasing so fast as to surprise even seasoned Silicon Valley venture capitalists. Bird Rides, a pioneer of the business, and not yet a year old, has become a “unicorn” faster than any other American startup before it. Its valuation has now reportedly reached $2bn. ... Another aspect of the model is that people can make money by charging them. Freelance “bird hunters” pick up scooters with empty batteries and plug them in at home. The startup pays between $5 and $25 per vehicle charged, depending on how hard they are to find (the locations of “dead” scooters are shown in another app). Charging mostly happens at night and the vehicles must be back on the street in specified locations before 7am the next day. That Bird and other firms can outsource this activity explains why they have been able to launch their services so quickly in so many cities. Hot on Bird’s wheels is Lime, co-founded by Toby Sun, a Chinese entrepreneur, which boasts a similar growth rate and valuation (its chargers are called “juicers”). Launching in Paris this week, Lime will beat Bird to Europe. ... Several American cities have reacted to the invasion of e-scooters by throttling their introduction, although they reduce car traffic and pollution. San Francisco banned the vehicles in early June and is now introducing a 24-month pilot programme: the city will only issue permits to up to five companies and they will be allowed to operate a maximum of 2,500 scooters in total. Santa Monica has opted for more flexibility: a “dynamic” cap on the number of scooters each firm is allowed to deploy, which will depend on how much use its vehicles get. Its approach could become a model, hopes David Sacks of Craft Ventures, an investor in Bird. ... It is possible that e-scooters could turn out to be a fad and e-bikes prove to be better for many trips. But e-vehicles are sure to become a permanent part of the urban-mobility mix. And, who knows, e-bikes and e-scooters may both evolve further. Work is already under way to make them self-driving (think of a Segway on steroids). That may eventually bring method to the madness on the streets of Amsterdam, Beijing and beyond. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack
If you can buy a salvage/used Leaf pack, they can be very economical compared to Lead Acid (plus, they will give you better performance (more power to weight) and will last longer than a lead acid pack. So compare the price to buying 2 or 3 sets of floodies over time My Leaf modules only cost me ~1300$ after a LOT of work, but I spent a lot more on new chargers and a BMS system + the hardware to package them up into the form factor I needed, + a lot of labor. Swapping out floodies is a lot less work (but heavier work) than changing your entire battery chemistry (and associated electronics), but I'm glad I did it, as the performance of the truck (speed/acceleration & range) improved quite a bit, plus the longevity of the pack improved. (I was getting 2-3 years per pack of lead acid batteries.) You can read about my cost breakdown for the modules here: https://www.summet.com/blog/2015/11/21/economies-of-harvesting-nissan-leaf-battery-modules/ You can read all the posts about my leaf module conversion of my S-10 pickup here (in reverse chronological order): https://www.summet.com/blog/tag/leaf/ Jay On 06/22/2018 12:26 AM, Roger Daisley via EV wrote: Reading thru the prior comments (which I really appreciate) I am starting to wonder if I'm getting ahead of the cost curve. Maybe I should carefully consider if lithium i.e., Leaf packs, is the way to go, at this time? Another set of floodies is about $3000 and good for four to five years. Maybe by that time the cost for lithium will be substantially lower. What is the group thought on this? Pull the trigger ... or wait? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
