Re: [EVDL] buying Volt modules, etc, Advice on new battery pack
On Sat Jun 23 13:31:19 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >John, did you use the Leaf BMS and Battery Charger with the Leaf battery pack? Nope. I'm using my own BMS, and a PFC-50 charger. (12KW charging is nice!) -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] buying Volt modules, etc, Advice on new battery pack
John, did you use the Leaf BMS and Battery Charger with the Leaf battery pack? From: EV on behalf of jerry freedomev via EV Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:33 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: jerry freedomev Subject: Re: [EVDL] buying Volt modules, etc, Advice on new battery pack Hi John and All,I get mine for less than that at local junk yards. You may have to deal some. When they are too high I just let them sit on it until they meet my price. You shouldn't pay over $1600/pack, less in fact. Most all will give you a 15% discount at the counter just by asking. And their asking price is a wish in most cases. As they are harder to deal with only a few EV people are buying them and a lot of them have crashed and crashing as we post, they likely will stay plentiful and cheap, the lowest price EV modules. They are only good in 48vdc multiples though 120vdc and 162vdc nom are possible.That they happily put out 300kw/pack , 1k amps isn't bad either and why racers like them even with the weight penalty.I've sold for 5 different EVs, 3 lead conversions and 2 custom besides my own lightweight EVs here in Florida to others out of state at $150/kwh, well below the price of premium lead.Unlikely I'll ever go back to lead. Just got my second module, 8kwh total, in my trike subcar chassis is working out nicely but wthr/mile is high around 120wthr/mile which I expected it to be more like 80wthr/mile. Hopefully the aero body I'm cutting out now will help. And maybe it is the Contactor controller as now having a Wthr meter on it, it takes a lot more power than a Curtis controller on my other EV trike pickup. I was really hoping on 80wthr/mile. So next is robbing the Curtis from the older trike. It'll be rebuilt as a fast long distance subcar for towing a matching lightweight aero trailer.My big hold up is getting longer front brake lines so I can move the handlebars, seat back I need to do before I can put the body on. Now I have the range to go find them with the second module in place. ;^) Jerry Dycus From: John Lussmyer via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: John Lussmyer Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack On Fri Jun 22 21:57:41 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >You can get 16kw worth of Volt packs for under $2k without shopping >around much or lucking out. Where? -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets My Pets | John Lussmyer<http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets> john.casadelgato.com These are all my Pets. I have an unusual assortment of Animals. In fact, so unusual that I am USDA licensed so that I can exhibit them, and bring tours and groups in to see them. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180623/c2a7ff12/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180623/080ba41f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack
> Where? http://car-part.com <-- From a junkyard/dealer. Find one near you else it's a pallet to ship. There's whole packs in there $1500-2000. Or Ebay. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] buying Volt modules, etc, Advice on new battery pack
Hi John and All, I get mine for less than that at local junk yards. You may have to deal some. When they are too high I just let them sit on it until they meet my price. You shouldn't pay over $1600/pack, less in fact. Most all will give you a 15% discount at the counter just by asking. And their asking price is a wish in most cases. As they are harder to deal with only a few EV people are buying them and a lot of them have crashed and crashing as we post, they likely will stay plentiful and cheap, the lowest price EV modules. They are only good in 48vdc multiples though 120vdc and 162vdc nom are possible. That they happily put out 300kw/pack , 1k amps isn't bad either and why racers like them even with the weight penalty. I've sold for 5 different EVs, 3 lead conversions and 2 custom besides my own lightweight EVs here in Florida to others out of state at $150/kwh, well below the price of premium lead. Unlikely I'll ever go back to lead. Just got my second module, 8kwh total, in my trike subcar chassis is working out nicely but wthr/mile is high around 120wthr/mile which I expected it to be more like 80wthr/mile. Hopefully the aero body I'm cutting out now will help. And maybe it is the Contactor controller as now having a Wthr meter on it, it takes a lot more power than a Curtis controller on my other EV trike pickup. I was really hoping on 80wthr/mile. So next is robbing the Curtis from the older trike. It'll be rebuilt as a fast long distance subcar for towing a matching lightweight aero trailer. My big hold up is getting longer front brake lines so I can move the handlebars, seat back I need to do before I can put the body on. Now I have the range to go find them with the second module in place. ;^) Jerry Dycus From: John Lussmyer via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: John Lussmyer Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack On Fri Jun 22 21:57:41 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >You can get 16kw worth of Volt packs for under $2k without shopping >around much or lucking out. Where? -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180623/c2a7ff12/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: r:300km Rolls-Royce EV conversion> sacrilege w/o the rattle
t; Mr Eckberg said.
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> "I thought it was mad, I still think it's mad."
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> But he said the project was in keeping with the innovative spirit of the
> brand.
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> "Sir Henry Royce, who founded the company, his background was building
> electric motors," Mr Eckberg said.
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> "Whether it's going to be a great success, I'm waiting to go for a run [in
> the new car]."
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> Ms Wallace said she understood why some might be sceptical.
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> "By converting it there is a little bit of sacrilegious behaviour. But
> she's
> like an old puppy dog we can't put down," she said.
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> Danielle Wallace sitting at the wheel of her 1971 Rolls Royce car with the
> door open.
> Photo: Ms Wallace admitted she wold miss some of the car's unique character
> including the iconic engine rumble
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> She said the conversion would ensure the old roller stayed on the road as
> long as possible.
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> "It's like giving her a transplant. It's giving her a life that she
> wouldn't
> have had. It'll make her a new girl," she said.
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> Despite the many benefits, Ms Wallace admitted the car would lose some of
> its unique character, including the iconic rumble of the engine.
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> "I will miss the rattles," she said.
> [© abc.net.au]
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> https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/06/20/american-energy-alliance-poll-koch-tom-pyle-electric-vehicles
> Poll by Former Koch Lobbyist Skews Public Support for Clean Cars, Electric
> Vehicles
> June 20, 2018 Though the public opinion poll showed that Americans
> overwhelmingly view electric cars as better for the environment, and a
> majority believe in the necessity ...
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Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack
I purchased 7,500 kw (168 x 45) for about $1,200.00 through EBay. Supplied the end plates and water hoses too. I think next time I will just buy a salvage Volt and sell off the rest, then scrap it. Sincerely, Mark Grasser - Subject: Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack On Fri Jun 22 21:57:41 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >You can get 16kw worth of Volt packs for under $2k without shopping >around much or lucking out. Where? -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack
On Fri Jun 22 21:57:41 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >You can get 16kw worth of Volt packs for under $2k without shopping >around much or lucking out. Where? -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack (Second thoughts)
Roger, I think it really depends on you. There's no doubt that from a material cost and performance point of view, lithium is the right choice. Where the choice plays is how much time and effort you are willing to put in. Do you have time in your life right now (or are you already overwhelmed with responsibilities)? Do you have shop space? Do you have the know-how to do this yourself? Another way to look at it is to compare the cost of drop-in lead to having someone else do the lithium retrofit for you. What would the final cost comparison be? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Roger Daisley via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Roger Daisley" Sent: 22-Jun-18 9:38:08 PM Subject: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack (Second thoughts) Reading thru the prior comments (which I really appreciate) I am starting to wonder if I'm getting ahead of the cost curve. Maybe I should carefully consider if lithium i.e., Leaf packs, is the way to go, at this time? Another set of floodies is about $3000 and good for four to five years. Maybe by that time the cost for lithium will be substantially lower. What is the group thought on this? Pull the trigger ... or wait? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack
> Reading thru the prior comments (which I really appreciate) I am starting to > wonder if I'm getting ahead of the cost curve. I think you're at an ideal time to buy used lithiums. You can get 16kw worth of Volt packs for under $2k without shopping around much or lucking out. There is basically no need to ever use lead acids again. And I'm not a performance snob, I say that as a penny pincher, they're inferior in cost per kWh too. Comparable lithiums are cheaper and better in every way. If you think Lithiums will continue to fall in price, that's true. But the decision should be to hold off entirely or buy lithium now. Never lead acids. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
