Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 5:54 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: > I read that Azure was mismanaged. Managers taking lavish trips and trying to > expand into Europe. We had some insight into the problems at Azure… Expanding into Europe seemed like a pretty good idea under the circumstances (the gliders were coming from Turkey, for instance), and I don’t know about lavish trips, that may well have been the case, but I don’t think would have been a big deal relative to the big-picture problem. Fundamentally, the problem was that Ford was both their monopoly supplier and their monopsony customer, Ford knew that and left a relatively small margin for Azure, but sufficient margin _if you were as competent and knowledgeable as Ford_. But Azure was new, didn’t really know what they were doing yet, and was simultaneously getting screwed by their other supplier, Siemens. So they got a lot of orders from Ford, bought a lot of gliders and the parts to convert them, had supply-chain problems with Siemens and growing pains with scaling up production internally, which meant that they were tying up more and more money in parts sitting on the shelf and in not-yet-complete vans, and getting very little money back from completing and shipping vehicles. Eventually that killed them. Too much money in inventory, too much money going out to buy more inventory, not enough cash coming in from sales, even through there was an already-booked-sale for every new glider they bought. Viewed a different way, average-time-to-produce-a-van kept getting longer, rather than shorter, and that (quite reasonably) wasn’t part of the business plan. -Bill ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
I’ve been told $20. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la carte > is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying gasoline for a > trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla that doesn't come > with free supercharging can report on the prices? > > Jay > > On 10/17/18 9:40 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >>> Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S >>> that doesn't get to use Superchargers for free. >> Nothing is "free". It is paid for within the luxury prices on the model S >> and X. >> One cannot have it both ways. If one only wants to pay the absolute >> minimum, then one doesn't pay for the charging. If you want the "free" >> charging, you have to pay for it somehow. >> Bob >> . >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
I read that Azure was mismanaged. Managers taking lavish trips and trying to
expand into Europe.
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:41 AM, AL SWACKHAMMER via EV wrote:
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> One can only hope that StreetScooter doesn't meet the same demise as Azure
> Dynamics did for getting involved with Ford.
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>> On October 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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>> http://www.thedrive.com/tech/24151/ford-begins-production-of-electric-delivery-vans-in-germany
>> Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
>> October 10, 2018 Talon Homer
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>> The Transit chassis-based vehicles are being built in partnership with
>> German EV developer StreetScooter.
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>> This month, Ford started assembly on a specialized electric delivery van it
>> calls the "Deutsche Post StreetScooter WORK XL" at its factory in Cologne,
>> Germany. The Transit chassis-based van features an electric drivetrain
>> designed by StreetScooter, an EV company also based in Germany. According to
>> a release from Ford, the WORK XL transits are all destined to serve as
>> parcel shipping vehicles for Deutsche Post DHL, the current owner of
>> StreetScooter.
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>> “With Ford, we have found the ideal partner who understands our flexible and
>> customer-oriented way of production. Together, we are promoting
>> electromobility in Germany and making inner?city delivery traffic more
>> environmentally friendly and quieter," said StreetScooter CEO Dr. Achim
>> Kampker. "With the new WORK XL StreetScooter, we now have the perfect e-van
>> for parcel delivery in metropolitan areas, which in the future will also
>> benefit other transport companies.”
>>
>> Ford states that its assigned around 180 employees with the task of
>> producing sixteen examples of the WORK XL per day, and up to 3,500 vehicles
>> in one year. As the vans roll out of the plant, they will be utilized by DHL
>> drivers across Germany. For this purpose, the vehicle offers up more than
>> 700 cubic feet of cargo space, and will be able to carry a 2,800 pound load
>> up to 120 miles on a single charge.
>>
>> These numbers are achieved thanks to 76 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion batteries
>> supplied by StreetScooter. The batteries power a motor sending 120 horspower
>> and 200 pound-feet of torque to the rear wheels. Ford also estimates that
>> replacing diesel vans with its electric equivalent will save an average of
>> 500 gallons of fuel per vehicle, per year.
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>> While the WORK XL is currently only available to DHL within Germany, "The
>> future availability of the electric van to third-party customers is under
>> consideration."
>> [© thedrive.com]
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>> WATCH: Jaguar creates new system to protect blind pedestrians from
>> near-silent electric cars
>> 2018-10-12 Iain Suffield, Jaguar NVH Technical Specialist, said: "The
>> absence of traditional engine noise from electric vehicles creates a problem
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[EVDL] INSIDEEVs newsletter: 60kw Leaf details.
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
Prices are posted at https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging Some states are per kWh, others are per minute (with different rates for above or below 60 kW charging rates). Some existing cars are grandfathered into unlimited transferrable free supercharging for the life of the vehicle, depending on when it was ordered. That includes all 2016 and earlier cars, and a few built early in 2017 that were ordered before Jan 15, 2017. Some owners are grandfathered into unlimited nontransferrable free supercharging for the duration of their ownership of the S/X/3P car they bought via referral later in 2017 or up until a few weeks ago in 2018. Those offers are no longer active. From that page: Below are additional program details which apply to Tesla vehicles under the Supercharger program. - Model S and X receive 400 kWh (~1,000 miles) of Supercharger credits annually. - - For usage above the complimentary annual credits provided, a small fee applies. - Model 3 does not receive annual Supercharger credits, and a small fee applies to Supercharge. - In North America, pricing is fixed within each state or province. Internationally, pricing is fixed within each country. All prices include taxes and fees. - Where possible, owners are billed per kWh (kilowatt-hour), which is the most fair and simple method. In other areas, we bill for the service per minute. - When billing per minute, there are two tiers to account for changes in charging speeds, called “tier 1” and “tier 2”. - Tier 1 applies while cars are charging at or below 60 kW and tier 2 applies while cars are charging above 60 kW. Tier 1 is half the cost of tier 2. - Tier 1 also applies anytime your vehicle is sharing Supercharger power with another car. - Supercharger pricing information may be viewed on the touchscreen and is summarized below. Supercharging is simple and convenient—just plug in and charge up. Supercharging history is automatically populated in your Tesla Account showing the credits used or, if applicable, the amount billed. Tesla is committed to ensuring that Supercharger will never be a profit center. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 08:40 Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > >Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S > >that doesn't get to use Superchargers for free. > > Nothing is "free". It is paid for within the luxury prices on the model S > and X. > > One cannot have it both ways. If one only wants to pay the absolute > minimum, then one doesn't pay for the charging. If you want the "free" > charging, you have to pay for it somehow. > > Bob > . > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181017/b3b7feaf/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
On 10/17/2018 04:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la carte is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying gasoline for a trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla that doesn't come with free supercharging can report on the prices? Most states prohibit reselling metered electricity. SuperChargers charge per unit time in two power tiers. I believe the stated goal is to be cheaper than gasoline and somewhat more than cover the cost of electricity. It seems SuperCharger electricity is about twice home metered. Typically, I would say, about $5 for around 30 kwh. Let me see what I find on the Tesla site. https://www.tesla.com/supercharger That says the target is $.26/kwh In addition to making fee SuperCharging closer to carrying it's own weight, it reduces the demand/congestion in order to make the enormous fleet of M3s more manageable. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu
On 10/16/18 10:02 PM, Willie via EV wrote: On 10/16/2018 08:55 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote: OK, sorry about the caps there, but hey, working aircon in an EV is a wonder to behold. Right on, right on, right on! I drove my conversion over 50k miles. Spent something like $10k on various air conditioner configurations. Total air conditioned time was about 30 minutes. I bought some phase change cooling pads, chill them in the fridge before I leave and use them as a backrest. It helps, but the AC in my wife's Leaf is better. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la carte is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying gasoline for a trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla that doesn't come with free supercharging can report on the prices? Jay On 10/17/18 9:40 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S that doesn't get to use Superchargers for free. Nothing is "free". It is paid for within the luxury prices on the model S and X. One cannot have it both ways. If one only wants to pay the absolute minimum, then one doesn't pay for the charging. If you want the "free" charging, you have to pay for it somehow. Bob . ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu
https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-actually-cost-to-make-a-car The upshot of all of this is that cars don't make a huge amount of profit. The industry average is around 5% consolidated operating profit. That is, by the time all costs are paid you make 5% profit on the factory gate price. Small cars are frequently sold at a loss. Larger cars tend to be lower volume but make higher margins. SUVs and crossovers are generally high margin and support loss making cars for the manufacturers. SUVs, crossovers and financing make most of the money for the manufacturers. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 2:57 PM, robert winfield via EV wrote: > > > Maybe you forget how few years Tesla has been selling EV'sMaybe you don't > know what you are talking about when you declare "they failed"Maybe you > missed they have sold _OVER_1/4 MILLION vehicles, all connected to the > mothershipMaybe you are incorrect.Maybe ___Maybe some of us, almost every > one, just wants a turnkey vehicle, that just works > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via >> EV wrote: On 16 Oct 2018 at 6:35, Paul Dove via EV >> wrote: >> >> A car manufacturer doesn't make a profit till the production line is >> paid for. > > Of course, but Tesla's declared intent from the start was to make enough > money on the luxury models (X and S) that they could afford to introduce a > more affordable "Tesla for the rest of us." > > Apparently you disagree, but un my view, they failed. > > Maybe they didn't make enough money on the pricey Teslas. Maybe they blew > too much on other stuff. Maybe they tried to introduce the 3 too soon (and > that could be because GM scooped them with the Bolt). I don't know the > reason, just that the "affordable" Tesla isn't, at least not now. > > I find it interesting to compare Tesla's approach to Honda's -- granted that > the latter is a much larger company. When they launched the Accord in 1976, > Honda priced it aggressively, to build demand. They probably took a loss. > The price rose in later years as it gained sales. > > Similarly, Toyota took a loss on the early Prius. I think that was also the > case with the Nissan Leaf. That's just what automakers have to do when they > want a new and different vehicle to succeed. That and lots of advertising. > > I understand that maybe Tesla can't afford to do the same, but I'm not sure > they can succeed in the long run if they don't. That's especially true in > the US, which is regressing into a less EV-friendly market. > > Maybe the "Tesla cachet" will carry them through, if they can maintain their > reputation. Time will tell. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181016/6b8fa447/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181017/fd172aed/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [SHORTS]
Willie, Since you were an early Tesla driver and have much experience with several Tesla models, you can be a spokesperson to contradict the erroneous and negative claims made by the detractors. Note where the bad reviews are published and send rebuttals. If you are watching the TSLA stock you can also advise us when to buy it. :) Gail On 10/17/2018 8:03 AM, Willie via EV wrote: Well, the short sellers have a place in the market. If someone is convinced that a company is destined to failure, there should be a mechanism that allows them to profit from their foresight. If it is correct. The volume of short selling also serves as a red flag for perhaps overly enthusiastic investors/speculators. The problem we see is that short sellers of TSLA seem to be putting out erroneous information. Overly emphasizing every insignificant problem. I don't know what the solution to that problem might be. The market is pretty efficient; I believe value is eventually recognized. The short seller shenanigans can be viewed as a service to those with a broader view in that buying opportunities are presented. I have high hopes that TSLA will be a $1000 stock in the next few years. Maybe $10,000. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu
The base price is still $35,000. They just won’t sell them without the options yet. the long range battery $9,000 and the premium package $5,000 = $49,000. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Ok, so maybe they failed in that goal - to provide a car affordable to the > masses. But does it matter? It does to you, I understand and empathise. And > to me. But in the big EV picture, as long as they can stay in business and > sell the model 3's, they are helping the EV mission. As long as they have a > solid demand for their product, they are making it possible for cheaper and > cheaper models to become available. For that, I am very excited. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "EVDL Administrator" > Sent: 16-Oct-18 2:04:23 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu > >>> On 16 Oct 2018 at 19:57, robert winfield via EV wrote: >>> >>> Maybe you forget how few years Tesla has been selling EV'sMaybe you don't >>> know >>> what you are talking about when you declare "they failed" >> >> No, I don't forget. Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. >> >> Tesla has done lots of good things. They went where few automakers refused >> to go, showing them the way. They built cars that in many ways are some of >> the best around, regardless of energy source. For that, I admire them. >> Don't misunderstand me on that. >> >> But when they set out to build a car that people of modest means (like me) >> could afford, I'm sorry, they failed. >> >> Maybe to all of you, $46k is chump change. I'm glad for you. But for >> millions of people worldwide, that's a lot of money. The low income sector >> is the fastest growing class worldwide, and for SURE it is here in the >> States >> >> When a person is bringing in $25k or $30k or $35k a year and trying to >> support a family, and I personally know people in that situation, do you >> really want to encourage him to buy a $46k car that he can't afford? >> >> And don't give me that nose-in-the-air rubbish about how they chose their >> lot. Sometimes you do everything right and you still get what life hands >> you. >> >> I gave you an example of what I consider an affordable car. You dismissed >> it and said it wasn't comparable. That's not the point. If you can't afford >> the more expensive car, it doesn't matter how good it is. You're buying the >> cheaper one. >> >> The good news is that you're not totally shut out of the EV world. Used >> Nissan Leaves and a few other models are now available in the US for >> reasonably affordable prices. I don't know about other countries though, >> nor do I know how long the present glut of cheap Leaves will last. >> >> I haven't driven a Model 3, probably never will, but I'm sure it's a great >> car. Maybe it really is comparable to an BMW or Mercedes. >> >> But blast it, THAT'S NOT WHAT TESLA PROMISED FOR THE MODEL 3. They promised >> an affordable EV. Most of us assumed they meant something more or less >> comparable to a mid-range Toyota. But that's not what Tesla delivered. >> Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S that doesn't get to use >> Superchargers for free. >> >> Some of us are not impressed. >> >> In many other efforts, Tesla succeeded, but not in that one. Maybe someday >> they will. I hope so. >> >> And that's all I have to say on this subject. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not >> reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my >> email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] AGM batteries
Sears sells an AGM battery thats a private label of the a military grade battery. its half the price sence its a AGM it can do starting and deep cycling. Buy it as a starting battery cheaper and better garntte and use it for your Ev or RV . very weel built, no fuild , . ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Sen. Barrasso Zaps WY EVcredit via a fee
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Congressman Tries to Zap Electric Car Credits
October 16, 2018 Johnny Kampis
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Here’s a way to save taxpayers and drivers $20 billion over 10 years.
Zap.
That’s the sound of the majority of taxpayers being shocked at the tax
credits that electric car buyers continue to receive — a credit that may be
extended as part of a tax-extenders package during the lame-duck session of
Congress.
The policy began under Bush and continued under Obama. Then President Bush
signed into law in 2008 a credit of up to $7,500-per-vehicle for the first
250,000 electric vehicles purchased in the market. Obama boosted the program
further during his stimulus package, providing the credit to the first
200,000 electric vehicles sold by each manufacturer in the U.S.
As some of the biggest brands such as Tesla are exceeding that 200,000
milestone, Congress is considering continuing the credit even farther under
President Trump.
Pacific Research Institute, a California-based free-market think tank, dubs
the credit “costly subsidies for the rich” because 79 percent of the credits
were claimed by households making adjusted gross incomes of more than
$100,000 per year. All but 1 percent of the credits were used by households
with annual incomes exceeding $50,000.
“When politicians talk about the need to subsidize costly electric cars,
they fail to tell you that the hundreds of millions of dollars of subsidies
that taxpayers are paying for are just another giveaway to the wealthy,”
said Wayne Winegarden, the institute’s senior fellow in business and
economics and author of a recent study on the issue. “Taxpayers should start
asking elected officials what benefit we are getting from these expensive
subsidies that only benefit upper-income households.”
Windegarden found that the total value of federal manufacturing grants and
loans over the lifetime of the credit is nearly $41 billion, and that some
states such as California offer additional credits that can add up to more
than $13,000 per car. He argues that there wouldn’t be mass demand for
electric vehicles “without government playing car salesman.”
“If government wants to encourage an electric car future, it should embrace
the free market and remove the barriers to cheap and efficient car
manufacturing that drive up costs too high for most drivers,” Winegarden
said.
U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyoming, is turning the wheel in the other
direction, having introduced “The Fairness for Every Driver Act” that would
repeal the credit.
Barrasso’s legislation would also mandate that alternative fuel vehicle
operators pay into the Highway Trust Fund via a fee. Drivers of electric and
hybrid vehicles currently get a pass on that gas tax. That’s an important
component of the bill since the revenue from that fund is already stretched
thin to pay for repairing the nation’s crumbling roads and bridges.
“My legislation levels the playing field for all drivers across America,”
said Barrasso, who chairs the Senate Committee on Environment and Public
Works. “Gas, electric and alternative fuel vehicles use the same roads.”
The Manhattan Institute estimated eliminating the credit and implementing
the fee would save taxpayers who don’t drive such vehicles about $20 billion
over the next 10 years.
The legislation, S.3559, was read twice on Oct. 6 after its introduction and
referred to the Senate Committee on Finance.
David Williams, president of Taxpayers Protection Alliance, called the bill
“long overdue.”
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Measure targets electric vehicle tax credit termination
October 15, 2018 “The electric vehicle tax credit largely benefits the
wealthiest Americans and costs taxpayers billions of dollars,” Barrasso, who
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
One can indeed hope. I HAD an Azure motor and controller - worked great
most of the time (over heated too much in San Diego). Wonderful debug
capabilities, too. *sigh*
On 10/17/18 4:41 AM, AL SWACKHAMMER via EV wrote:
One can only hope that StreetScooter doesn't meet the same demise as Azure
Dynamics did for getting involved with Ford.
On October 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
http://www.thedrive.com/tech/24151/ford-begins-production-of-electric-delivery-vans-in-germany
Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
October 10, 2018 Talon Homer
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The Transit chassis-based vehicles are being built in partnership with
German EV developer StreetScooter.
This month, Ford started assembly on a specialized electric delivery van it
calls the "Deutsche Post StreetScooter WORK XL" at its factory in Cologne,
Germany. The Transit chassis-based van features an electric drivetrain
designed by StreetScooter, an EV company also based in Germany. According to
a release from Ford, the WORK XL transits are all destined to serve as
parcel shipping vehicles for Deutsche Post DHL, the current owner of
StreetScooter.
“With Ford, we have found the ideal partner who understands our flexible and
customer-oriented way of production. Together, we are promoting
electromobility in Germany and making inner?city delivery traffic more
environmentally friendly and quieter," said StreetScooter CEO Dr. Achim
Kampker. "With the new WORK XL StreetScooter, we now have the perfect e-van
for parcel delivery in metropolitan areas, which in the future will also
benefit other transport companies.”
Ford states that its assigned around 180 employees with the task of
producing sixteen examples of the WORK XL per day, and up to 3,500 vehicles
in one year. As the vans roll out of the plant, they will be utilized by DHL
drivers across Germany. For this purpose, the vehicle offers up more than
700 cubic feet of cargo space, and will be able to carry a 2,800 pound load
up to 120 miles on a single charge.
These numbers are achieved thanks to 76 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion batteries
supplied by StreetScooter. The batteries power a motor sending 120 horspower
and 200 pound-feet of torque to the rear wheels. Ford also estimates that
replacing diesel vans with its electric equivalent will save an average of
500 gallons of fuel per vehicle, per year.
While the WORK XL is currently only available to DHL within Germany, "The
future availability of the electric van to third-party customers is under
consideration."
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [SHORTS]
On 10/17/2018 08:29 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: What is frustrating to me is all the Tesla short seller naysayers. These greedy do-nothings put out 90% of the anti-tesla propaganda because it is in their own personal self interest to see Tesla fail. They have bet their money to see Tesla fail and so everything they say is anti-tesla and the more they can sell negativism to others, the greater their profit. Well, the short sellers have a place in the market. If someone is convinced that a company is destined to failure, there should be a mechanism that allows them to profit from their foresight. If it is correct. The volume of short selling also serves as a red flag for perhaps overly enthusiastic investors/speculators. The problem we see is that short sellers of TSLA seem to be putting out erroneous information. Overly emphasizing every insignificant problem. I don't know what the solution to that problem might be. The market is pretty efficient; I believe value is eventually recognized. The short seller shenanigans can be viewed as a service to those with a broader view in that buying opportunities are presented. I have high hopes that TSLA will be a $1000 stock in the next few years. Maybe $10,000. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
>Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S >that doesn't get to use Superchargers for free. Nothing is "free". It is paid for within the luxury prices on the model S and X. One cannot have it both ways. If one only wants to pay the absolute minimum, then one doesn't pay for the charging. If you want the "free" charging, you have to pay for it somehow. Bob . ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [SHORTS]
What is frustrating to me is all the Tesla short seller naysayers. These greedy do-nothings put out 90% of the anti-tesla propaganda because it is in their own personal self interest to see Tesla fail. They have bet their money to see Tesla fail and so everything they say is anti-tesla and the more they can sell negativism to others, the greater their profit. It is sad to see all that fake news picked up here on an EV list. With over one fourth of all tesla investors actively investing in Tesla to fail by shorting the stock, that is a lot of self-serving negativity. Ignore it. The short sellers are just trying to take a greedy profit and could care less about EV's... Those who understand them and the huge effort it takes to drastically change the American driving experience will understand and will invest in Tesla for the long haul. I'm certainly in it for the long haul, having owned an EV since 1983(city car).. So what if they are a year late. Its been 35 years to get here. Bob -- Original Message -- >No, I don't forget. Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. >But when they set out to build a car that people of modest means (like >me) could afford, I'm sorry, they failed. > >And don't give me that nose-in-the-air rubbish about how they chose >their lot. Sometimes you do everything right and you still get what life >hands you. > >That's not the point. If you can't afford the more expensive car, it >doesn't matter how good it is. You're buying the cheaper one. > >I haven't driven a Model 3, probably never will, but I'm sure it's a >great car. Maybe it really is comparable to an BMW or Mercedes. > >But blast it, THAT'S NOT WHAT TESLA PROMISED FOR THE MODEL 3. >They promised an affordable EV. Most of us assumed they meant >something more or less comparable to a mid-range Toyota. >But that's not what Tesla delivered. >Instead, they gave us a somewhat cut down Model S that doesn't get to >use Superchargers for free. > >Some of us are not impressed. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla
Now that I have calmed down and thought about everything I now realize that what we have been doing for decades in car culture terms is restomoding. A restomod is a vehicle that has been restored and modified. Example: A 350 Chevy in a Mustang. Distained by some in the car community but functional and exciting for the owner. . One of the best in the electric vehicle community was John Wayland. Blue Meanie comes to mind. Well engineered, a practical one shot EV which he eventually got to a hundred mile range. However John had to go to great lengths to quickly charge Meanie. No way it is coming down the coast to California quickly. No fast charger. However if the vehicle is light and the pack is small it might be possible to quickly charge using J1772. But I digress slightly. After having a few factory EVs I can confidently say that no one I know can even come close to that kind of performance the way we have been doing our builds. Level 3 charging. I can take a 24 kw Leaf from San Diego to San Francisco. So the future of our restomoding will be taking factory EV parts and using them because like one EV expert said: "We take advantage of the millions of dollars of engineering that goes into a vehicle for our platforms. Now we will take EV drive trains and put them in vehicles of our choice. Or with out the fuss simply buy a Tesla III because it is simply the best car ever engineered. None of us could build that in our garage. Just don't total it and expect to drive it again. That's what insurance is for. Lawrence Rhodes.. happy with my 24 and 30 kw Leafs...goodnuf for now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181017/265a81c7/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
One can only hope that StreetScooter doesn't meet the same demise as Azure
Dynamics did for getting involved with Ford.
> On October 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.thedrive.com/tech/24151/ford-begins-production-of-electric-delivery-vans-in-germany
> Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
> October 10, 2018 Talon Homer
>
> [image
> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/slide_021.jpg
> ]
>
> The Transit chassis-based vehicles are being built in partnership with
> German EV developer StreetScooter.
>
> This month, Ford started assembly on a specialized electric delivery van it
> calls the "Deutsche Post StreetScooter WORK XL" at its factory in Cologne,
> Germany. The Transit chassis-based van features an electric drivetrain
> designed by StreetScooter, an EV company also based in Germany. According to
> a release from Ford, the WORK XL transits are all destined to serve as
> parcel shipping vehicles for Deutsche Post DHL, the current owner of
> StreetScooter.
>
> “With Ford, we have found the ideal partner who understands our flexible and
> customer-oriented way of production. Together, we are promoting
> electromobility in Germany and making inner?city delivery traffic more
> environmentally friendly and quieter," said StreetScooter CEO Dr. Achim
> Kampker. "With the new WORK XL StreetScooter, we now have the perfect e-van
> for parcel delivery in metropolitan areas, which in the future will also
> benefit other transport companies.”
>
> Ford states that its assigned around 180 employees with the task of
> producing sixteen examples of the WORK XL per day, and up to 3,500 vehicles
> in one year. As the vans roll out of the plant, they will be utilized by DHL
> drivers across Germany. For this purpose, the vehicle offers up more than
> 700 cubic feet of cargo space, and will be able to carry a 2,800 pound load
> up to 120 miles on a single charge.
>
> These numbers are achieved thanks to 76 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion batteries
> supplied by StreetScooter. The batteries power a motor sending 120 horspower
> and 200 pound-feet of torque to the rear wheels. Ford also estimates that
> replacing diesel vans with its electric equivalent will save an average of
> 500 gallons of fuel per vehicle, per year.
>
> While the WORK XL is currently only available to DHL within Germany, "The
> future availability of the electric van to third-party customers is under
> consideration."
> [© thedrive.com]
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> near-silent electric cars
> 2018-10-12 Iain Suffield, Jaguar NVH Technical Specialist, said: "The
> absence of traditional engine noise from electric vehicles creates a problem
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[EVDL] Odp: Motorcycle hub motor setup
every one cell have a voltage monitor, DC/DC inverter (60V/12V) working correctly and it is power for selftest this e-scooter and this selftest says (blinking LEDs) current sensor controller error :( Dnia 15 października 2018 23:09 ken via EV ev@lists.evdl.org napisał(a): have you checked the voltage of each battery? the controller may not be bad, why do think it is? if the batteries are low, the bms or controller will not let it move. __ UNSUBSCRIBE: www.evdl.org www.evdl.org lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( groups.yahoo.com groups.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181017/594d1f17/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Odp: Motorcycle hub motor setup
www.monsterscooterparts.com www.monsterscooterparts.com nothing for 60V here :( regards, Artur Dnia 15 października 2018 22:22 Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org napisał(a): There are a lot of off-the-shelf controllers out there now, see if this helps: www.monsterscooterparts.com www.monsterscooterparts.com You may end up having to replace the motor as well. Best of luck! Peter On 10/15/18 12:38 PM, Artur Kubik via EV wrote: I bought Zap at 2010 from China (Mountain Chan). They sent me e-scooter with 19xLiFePO4 (40Ah) and witch lead battery charger. Now I know It but a bit too late and cells are dead. This e-scooter has 2500W/60V motor, not popular because is it six phase. I bought new batteries and try to use it but after seven years staying at garrage the controler is broken - I have message like #34;current controll sensor error - start power again or replace controller#34;. Since year I am looking for spare controller for replace this broken one but I can#39;t find it :( 15 października 2018 19:36 Eduardo Kaftanski via EV lt;ev@lists.evdl.orggt; napisał(a): list, In one strange turn of events, I am now the owner of a Chinese electric scooter. It’s a 72v lithium system with a rear hub motor. As far as I know it’s the only one of its kind in the country (Chile) as it was brought as a demonstrator for a business that ultimately failed. It’s sold with a bunch of different names and I’ve found it’s based on a generic gas scooter. This one has a Zap vin plate riveted in. It has never been registered but I am working of that. I kind of like driving it, but I would like to hack it and reuse the parts to convert a Kawasaki 250 or 300 from gas to ev. Problem is, I now almost nothing about it. Is there some site or sites where I can learn about this Chinese ev setups? Are hub motors interchangeable? I would need to buy a 17” one for the Kawasaki but I would like to reuse all the other parts. Any info and pointers are welcome! Thanks! -- Eduardo Kaftanski edua...@kdi.cl ekaf...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: lt; lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org UNSUBSCRIBE: www.evdl.org www.evdl.org lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( groups.yahoo.com groups.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org __ UNSUBSCRIBE: www.evdl.org www.evdl.org lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( groups.yahoo.com groups.yahoo.com __ UNSUBSCRIBE: www.evdl.org www.evdl.org lists.evdl.org lists.evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( groups.yahoo.com groups.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181017/64e41a5d/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
October 10, 2018 The Transit chassis-based van features an electric
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EVLN: $60k 2020 Bollinger pickup e-truck teased r:200mi
Bollinger Motors teases a rugged electric pickup truck with 200 miles of
range
Oct 10, 2018 The small company's next electric vehicle is a pickup truck
called the B2, which will offer about three extra feet of length for storing
more stuff in the bed. The B2 ...
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October 11, 2018 There has been little awareness of the value of electric
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EVfire: FaradayF lets the smoke-out, +worries
Electric car catches fire at Faraday plant in Hanford. But that’s not the
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[EVDL] EVLN: $60k 2020 Bollinger pickup e-truck teased r:200mi
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/10/17961494/bollinger-motors-b2-electric-pickup-truck
Bollinger Motors teases a rugged electric pickup truck with 200 miles of
range
Oct 10, 2018 Sean O'Kane@sokane1
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Coming, maybe, in 2020
Bollinger Motors, a small EV startup from New York, has announced a
follow-up to the eye-catching all-electric B1 SUV that debuted last year.
The small company’s next electric vehicle is a pickup truck called the B2,
which will offer about three extra feet of length for storing more stuff in
the bed.
The B2 will be built on the same technological platform as the B1, which
means it will feature the same promising specs Bollinger took aim at with
last year’s B1. That means it will be powered by a 120kWh battery pack that
can last for about 200 miles. Dual motors — one on each axle — combine for
around 520 horsepower, and the truck can go from 0–60 mph in less than seven
seconds. It will take 75 minutes for a full charge on a DC fast charger, or
10 hours on a Level 2 hookup.
Photo: Bollinger Motors
That should all be more than enough for the kind of use cases Bollinger
Motors imagines for its customers. When the company announced the B1 last
summer, it was up front about how this was not an EV for everyone. The same
goes for the B2. These are vehicles that are designed to help people do
heavy duty work, store and transport lots of material, and go off-road as
well.
There aren’t a ton of fully electric trucks (or rugged EVs) on the immediate
horizon in the auto industry, as automakers seem happier to integrate hybrid
versions into their lineups first. Elon Musk has long teased the idea of a
Tesla pickup, but the idea has never really come into focus at Tesla. So
even though Bollinger is a small outfit, it’s one of just a few companies
(like fellow EV startups Rivian and Workhorse) with plans to make an
electric truck in the next few years.
There are only renderings of the B2 right now (Bollinger built actual
working prototypes of the B1), but it will obviously feature the same
rugged, riveted, all-metal design as its predecessor. The B1 is supposed to
start around $60,000, and Bollinger says it has received 20,000 preorders so
far. But the company is still lining up partners to get its first vehicle
into production, and the company doesn’t have the same kind of high-profile
financial backing that other EV startups boast, so it may be a while before
the B2 (or even the B1) ever hits the road. For what it’s worth, Bollinger
Motors says to expect production to begin in 2020.
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http://www.thedrive.com/tech/24151/ford-begins-production-of-electric-delivery-vans-in-germany
Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
October 10, 2018 Talon Homer
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The Transit chassis-based vehicles are being built in partnership with
German EV developer StreetScooter.
This month, Ford started assembly on a specialized electric delivery van it
calls the "Deutsche Post StreetScooter WORK XL" at its factory in Cologne,
Germany. The Transit chassis-based van features an electric drivetrain
designed by StreetScooter, an EV company also based in Germany. According to
a release from Ford, the WORK XL transits are all destined to serve as
parcel shipping vehicles for Deutsche Post DHL, the current owner of
StreetScooter.
“With Ford, we have found the ideal partner who understands our flexible and
customer-oriented way of production. Together, we are promoting
electromobility in Germany and making inner?city delivery traffic more
environmentally friendly and quieter," said StreetScooter CEO Dr. Achim
Kampker. "With the new WORK XL StreetScooter, we now have the perfect e-van
for parcel delivery in metropolitan areas, which in the future will also
benefit other transport companies.”
Ford states that its assigned around 180 employees with the task of
producing sixteen examples of the WORK XL per day, and up to 3,500 vehicles
in one year. As the vans roll out of the plant, they will be utilized by DHL
drivers across Germany. For this purpose, the vehicle offers up more than
700 cubic feet of cargo space, and will be able to carry a 2,800 pound load
up to 120 miles on a single charge.
These numbers are achieved thanks to 76 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion batteries
supplied by StreetScooter. The batteries power a motor sending 120 horspower
and 200 pound-feet of torque to the rear wheels. Ford also estimates that
replacing diesel vans with its electric equivalent will save an average of
500 gallons of fuel per vehicle, per year.
While the WORK XL is currently only available to DHL within Germany, "The
future availability of the electric van to third-party customers is under
consideration."
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2018-10-12 Iain Suffield, Jaguar NVH Technical Specialist, said: "The
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Brazil to slash electric vehicle tax
15th October 2018 Jonathan Andrews, Manuel Manrique
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The Brazilian government is hoping the tax cut will increase EV sales
Brazil will reduce taxes on mass-produced electric vehicles (EVs) from 25
percent to 18 percent in a bid to boost e-bike, EV and other electric and
hybrid vehicle use.
Due to come into force in November, the national government is hoping the
cut will boost stagnant EV sales and improve electric urban mobility in a
country which only sold 1,472 electric vehicle units in the first six months
of 2018. Currently the most affordable EV on the market costs US$30,300.
“The market will be in charge of stabilising prices but the government
should reduce taxes on cars that don’t pollute the environment or produce
noise, and stimulate the necessary infrastructure to circulate and regulate
energy planning,” said Danilo Leite, Manager of Strategy and Innovation,
CPFL Energia Group.
He said there is hope that Brazil can turn the figures around, pointing to
the example of France, which went from just 26 EV charging points in 2010 to
10,000 five years later.
Leite’s comments came during the fourth edition of the Connected Smart
Cities conference in São Paulo which brought together mayors, entrepreneurs,
researchers, private sector representatives and users of public and
alternative transport.
For the Director of Marketing, Sustainability and New Business of BYD,
Adalberto Maluf, the growth of the electric vehicle market will move
gradually into municipality fleets. In Brazil, the Chinese company has two
factories; one in Manaus, where batteries are manufactured, and another in
Campinas, where the country’s first electric vehicle was manufactured.
Adalberto Maluf, Director of Marketing, Sustainability and New Business, BYD
“We are in Brasilia and four other medium-sized cities producing garbage
trucks and electric compactors,” said Maluf. “In São José dos Campos, in the
interior of São Paulo, 100 percent of the Municipal Guard’s fleet uses
electric cars, which have a 400-kilometre range and don’t pollute.”
Hoping to latch onto an electric mobility wave is the first Brazilian
company that provides e-bikes. Launched in São Paulo in 2015 with 10
bicycles, E-Moving now counts 500 in its fleet.
“When I changed the car for the common bicycle to get to work I saw that it
was better because it saved time and money, but I was sweating,” said
Gabriel Arcon, CEO and co-founder of E-Moving. “After learning about the
e-bike, it was love at first pedal and I didn’t imagine that I would abandon
the real estate business to start the first rental and sale system of this
type of bike in the country.”
Clarisse Cunha Linke, Executive Director of the Institute for Transportation
and Development Policy although welcoming AVs and ride sharing services,
warned that substantial changes at the policy level still needed to be made.
“For a long time, cities have been built for cars and not for people,” she
said. “Motorisation rates have tripled in the last ten years, so we need to
invert the pyramid of our public policies and our investments to give
priority to public transport, the infrastructure for mobility by bicycle and
on foot.”
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