Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

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[EVDL] US Battery in Brazil

[Lucas Travassos via EV]

Dear EV owner,

I was wondering if bringing a motor and a battery pack to Brazil is a
good idea.

The temperatures and the bad roads are my main concern. Do you think there
are some measures I can apply to avoid problems.

What do you think?

What are the problems related with high temperatures and vibration for the
battery pack and how can avoid them?

Thank you for your help

Lucas
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Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

[Matt via EV]

Both the miniBMS and the cell logs draw current from every cell continuously
It’s only a few mA, but, given enough time it will take the whole battery to 
0v, if not charged



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Arrison via EV
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2020 7:57 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: Alan Arrison
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

Ouch! Your whole ex$pensive pack destroyed? What did you do about the 
alarm that was sounding. I'm hoping that the pack isn't really dead and 
there is another problem like the 12V house battery went dead.

Al

On 8/16/2020 1:27 PM, Denis Boutet via EV wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> RE: Ranger EV 2000, LiFePO4 pack 104x3.65V China HiPower, 104 Mini BMS 
> + head board, CellLog8 x 13
>
> I need help figuring out what is wrong and how to proceed with this 
> problem.  Any help, suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
>
> The pack seams to have been drained completely by the mini BMS system, 
> or another cause.  In the fall, the head board alarm went off 
> permanently as I was winterizing my truck.  This spring I found the 
> pack was dead.  Find listed here the codes from the NGS:
>
> BAT_PV     0.00V
>
> BCM_OP      2
>
> PREV_OS      7
>
> CCNT   4
>
> ENG_PO    DISABL
>
> LOWVOLT    0
>
> MAINSEN 2,5v
>
> SOC    49.99%
>
> WKDFBMF    NO
>
> BTM_1FT - BTM_39FT YES  (ALL)
>
> LEAK  NO  (9 Ohm)
>
> Next step I beleive is to drop the pack and try and find the faulty 
> mini BMS.  I guess I won't see any green lights, since the pack is dead.
>
> Many thanks for your interest
>
> Denis B
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Re: [EVDL] Speaking of BB600s

[Damon Henry via EV]

I did a home Nickel plating kit back when I was using these.  It seemed to work 
well.  As I recall I spent about $200 on the kit and still have it sitting in 
my basement if I ever want to Nickel plate something.

Of course, I will never use this type of battery again because they are just 
plain messy and corrosive which causes all kinds of problems.  Same is true for 
flooded Lead Acids.  Lithium are so much better in so many ways 🙂

Damon

From: EV  on behalf of David Kerzel via EV 

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 3:14 PM
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' 
Cc: a...@bellsouth.net 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Speaking of BB600s

Look at caswell.com for electroless nickel plating kits.
If the copper is just a conductor, I don't care about tarnish on the
non-mating surfaces.
Where the bars meet, or the wires attach, polish the copper and use an
ant-ox compound.
I like brass bolts and nuts with flat brass washers.

David Kerzel
Modular EV Powe LLC

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Subject: [EVDL] Speaking of BB600s



> If I wanted to make new copper busbars, would dipping them in solder
provide adequate protection or do they have to be nickel plated?
 I have never tried solder dipping, but I found a recipe for a plating
solution online and got the materials from Amazon.

Bill
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Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

[Willie via EV]

On 8/16/20 11:24 PM, George Mullineaux via EV wrote:

But I never doubted the ability of an EV with 2,000+ pounds of torque towing. 
It is the manufacturers that will not rate their vehicles with a comparable 
towing weight. Let me go out on a limb and claim that the reason for this is 
that towing will greatly impact range. As has been mentioned many times in 
posts, that is the holy grail of EVs. If Tesla, Audi, Ford, Rivian, etc. would 
give us the range while unloaded, and a range while fully loaded and another 
while towing a respectable weight; they could then rate their vehicles for 
towing and hauling so that the owner would not void the warranty. Or maybe that 
is another underlying reason, the warranty.


To rate range, you would have to have some standard load.  Tires, 
weight, shape, etc.


My experience is that range reduction from towing can be near zero up to 
near 50%.


Tesla, especially, has been reluctant to bless towing.  I ignore them. 
The early Ss did seem to have rather fragile drive trains which would 
explain Tesla discouraging towing.  But the Semi is supposed to use 
drive trains from 3s.



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Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

[Willie via EV]

I see online that the MiniBMS idle current is 2.2ma.  If your DC:DC
converter was connected and supplying power to the truck's 12v system, that
probably uses yet more current to maintain the body computer, radio presets,
and so on.  On modern vehicles something close to 100ma of parasitic loads
on the 12v bus is not that uncommon.


I believe old miniBMS modules would eventually pull a cell all the way 
down to zero.  Newer versions, I think, would stop vampire draw at about 2v.


MrSharkey (or others) can probably give a more definitive answer.

My experience is that a small fraction of LFP cells discharged to zero 
can be resurrected by charging.  At least some of the cells that appear 
to take a charge may not hold it.

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Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> I see online that the MiniBMS idle current is 2.2ma.

Depends on the version of the MiniBMS. The early "analog" models 
(original and v.2) that use the LM239/339 comparitor chips typically 
have a quiescent current of about 6.5mA. Individual modules can have 
a current draw of up to 9mA. These older modules are more than happy 
to draw the battery down until its empty, as they have no low cell 
voltage shutdown.


The v.3 modules, with the ATTiny 85 AVR processors have low battery 
"sleep" programming, but it would only come into play when the cell 
it is connected to is nearly empty. The point is that this gives a 
limited grace period to find and correct problems before reaching 0% SOC.


Denis mentions "seeing green lights", so his MiniBMS system is the 
early analog version, the v.3 modules have a single blinky red LED 
for indication of all functions.


> 4.5 amp hours per month, which doesn't seem like
> it'd be enough to run the battery flat over a winter

I did similar calculations, and if the pack was adequately charged 
when put into storage, the BMS modules shouldn't have drawn it down 
to completely discharged.


> I think that the first step is to see where you stand

Agreed. Having to "drop the pack" for maintenance and 
troubleshooting, even as little attention as Lithium requires, makes 
keeping up with things like this difficult, with the result being ... 
well, things happen.


All of which reminds me that I need to go out and pull the cover off 
my pack and do a balancing charge on my Thunderskys. Full manual 
control comes with responsibilities.


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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200823

[evln via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EHang-firefighting-auton-e-vtol-for-high-rise-fires-tp4698547.html
EVLN: EHang firefighting auton e-vtol for high-rise fires
EHang has developed a firefighting autonomous flying vehicle for high-rise
fires in dense cities — see how it works
Aug 9, 2020 ... EHang, an autonomous aerial vehicle (AAV) development
company, has ... autonomous and accessible electric air mobility vehicles
that are designed to move ... and carry up to six fire extinguishing bombs
and 39.6 gallons of firefighting foam ...
https://i.insider.com/5f2c13a9f34d0552a1425e16


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-SolarStratos-e-plane-demos-solar-energy-potential-tp4698550.html
EVLN: SolarStratos e-plane demos solar energy potential
The Right Stuff: Sarasota test pilot pushing the envelope of solar flight
10 Aug 2020 ... a solar-powered, single-engine airplane whose cartoonish
81-foot wingspan is laden with photovoltaic batteries ... solar flight will
“inevitably” create commercial demand, he says. Sarasota's Miguel Iturmendi
takes a break beside the SolarStratos electric plane ... to demonstrate the
potential of solar energy ...
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/07/NSHT/2112f641-3b31-452e-94c8-967bcf23a32c-stratos8.jpg


+
Zin Boats Z2R e-speedboat> BMW pack mated2 Torqeedo e-drive

MagniX progress w/ Cessna-Caravan & DHC-2 Beaver e-versions

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Destination-J1772-hotel-charging-stations-tp4698516p4698524.html
MarkH seeks motel/hotels w/ EVSE> ... j1772 charging stations


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/World-EV-Day-9-9-a-day-of-global-e-mobility-appreciation-tp4698504.html
World EV Day 9/9> a day of global e-mobility appreciation
 (% covid-rules keeps public away from or cancels EVents %)
ABB and Green.TV launch World EV Day ‘drive electric’ pledge campaign
August 12, 2020  The inaugural World EV Day (9 September), being launched by
ABB and Green.TV, will be a day of global e-mobility appreciation. Reaching
out to current and prospective drivers of electric vehicles, World EV Day is
designed to generate increased consumer awareness about the benefit of EVs,
putting driving electric at the top of the agenda ...




For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
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[EVDL] EVLN: SolarStratos e-plane demos solar energy potential

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https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2020/08/10/sarasota-test-pilot-pushes-the-limits-of-solar-powered-aircraft/3317540001/
The Right Stuff: Sarasota test pilot pushing the envelope of solar flight
10 Aug 2020 ... a solar-powered, single-engine airplane whose cartoonish
81-foot wingspan is laden with photovoltaic batteries ... solar flight will
“inevitably” create commercial demand, he says. Sarasota's Miguel Iturmendi
takes a break beside the SolarStratos electric plane ... to demonstrate the
potential of solar energy ...
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/07/NSHT/2112f641-3b31-452e-94c8-967bcf23a32c-stratos8.jpg


+ (MagniX progress w/ Cessna-Caravan & DHC-2 Beaver e-versions)
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2020-08-10/magnix-sees-regional-operators-electric-aviation-pioneers
MagniX Sees Regional Operators as Electric Aviation Pioneers
August 10, 2020  MagniX has reported further progress with flight testing of
its proposed electric versions of the Cessna Caravan and DHC-2 Beaver
utility aircraft ... it is not seeking to provide propulsion for new eVTOL
aircraft because it doesn’t see the strong commercial case for scaling down
its Magni250 and -500 motors, which currently offer continuous power of 280
and 560 kW, respectively. Many eVTOL aircraft designs require multiple
electric motors, each with power of around 40 or 50 kW ...
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Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

Hi Denis.  I'm not an expert on these matters, so if I say something wrong 
here, I trust that someone else will correct me.  

In my admittedly limited experience I have found that BMSes always use a 
little current from the cells they're monitoring. 
 
I see online that the MiniBMS idle current is 2.2ma.  If your DC:DC 
converter was connected and supplying power to the truck's 12v system, that 
probably uses yet more current to maintain the body computer, radio presets, 
and so on.  On modern vehicles something close to 100ma of parasitic loads 
on the 12v bus is not that uncommon.

Accounting for DC:DC losses, that would be about 4ma on a 312v traction 
battery.  Add the BMS self-load and you get about 4.5 amp hours per month, 
which doesn't seem like it'd be enough to run the battery flat over a 
winter.  But you may have had other energy thieves.  

The MiniBMS manual also says that "After shutdown due to low cell voltage, a 
capacity reserve of approximately 1Ah per 100Ah battery capacity is left in 
the battery."  The BMS draw drops to 1.2ma at low cell voltage.  That is 864 
mah (.864 ah) per month, so if indeed the truck did run the traction battery 
down to its BMS cutoff voltage, another month would just about do it in.

I think that the first step is to see where you stand. You'll need to get to 
the individual cells by whatever means, and take a voltage reading from 
each.
 
The vast improvements in range and utility of EVs in just the last few years 
have pretty well crushed the value of older used EVs.  This is especially 
true of conversions, and yours is really a factory conversion, aka "Electric 
Powertrain Option" or EPTO.  OTOH there does seem to be a devoted community 
of followers from this vehicle.

My opinion is that if the range and utility still suit your needs, even if 
you end up having to replace the battery, you may be better off to try to 
fix it.  You could look into replacing the cells with used or new Leaf or 
Volt modules.  

But before you panic, I suggest that you get to those cells with a voltmeter 
and a small parallel load (don't just use a high impedance DMM), and see 
what's really going on.  

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Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

[George Mullineaux via EV]

But I never doubted the ability of an EV with 2,000+ pounds of torque towing. 
It is the manufacturers that will not rate their vehicles with a comparable 
towing weight. Let me go out on a limb and claim that the reason for this is 
that towing will greatly impact range. As has been mentioned many times in 
posts, that is the holy grail of EVs. If Tesla, Audi, Ford, Rivian, etc. would 
give us the range while unloaded, and a range while fully loaded and another 
while towing a respectable weight; they could then rate their vehicles for 
towing and hauling so that the owner would not void the warranty. Or maybe that 
is another underlying reason, the warranty.

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“Feels like it’s not towing anything”: Video of Model Y shows powerful towing 
capability August 10, 2020 ... The claim that electric vehicles cannot tow 
trailers, caravans and boats has been proven wrong ... a Tesla Model Y has been 
captured on camera bringing a speed boat out of the water, with the owner 
reportedly saying it was so effortless that it felt “like it’s not towing 
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Why Tesla shouldn't worry about Lucid's 517-mile range
The Long Range Plus variant has done wonders for EV competition and has
solidified Tesla's position as the leader in electric car development. It is
important to ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: EHang firefighting auton e-vtol for high-rise fires

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https://www.businessinsider.com/ehang-developed-firefighting-autonomous-aerial-vehicle-for-high-rise-fires-2020-8
EHang has developed a firefighting autonomous flying vehicle for high-rise
fires in dense cities — see how it works
Aug 9, 2020 ... EHang, an autonomous aerial vehicle (AAV) development
company, has ... autonomous and accessible electric air mobility vehicles
that are designed to move ... and carry up to six fire extinguishing bombs
and 39.6 gallons of firefighting foam ...
https://i.insider.com/5f2c13a9f34d0552a1425e16


+ (Zin Boats Z2R e-speedboat> BMW pack mated2 Torqeedo e-drive)
https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/11/zin-boats-reinvents-the-electric-speedboat-in-a-bid-to-become-the-tesla-of-the-sea/
Zin Boats reinvents the electric speedboat in a bid to become the Tesla of
the sea
2020/08/11 ...  a minimalist design like a silver bullet, built almost
entirely from carbon fiber, the 20-foot Z2R is less than half the weight of
comparable craft, letting it take off like a shot and handle easily, while
also traveling a hundred miles on a charge — and you can fill the “tank” for
about five bucks in an hour or so ... Z2R uses BMW batteries mated to a
custom Torqeedo engine, and at cruising speeds (say 15 knots) can go a
hundred miles or more ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200822

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-e-tron-vs-I-Pace-EVs-w-lots-of-optional-tech-tp4698544.html
EVLN: e-tron vs I-Pace> EVs w/ lots of optional tech
Audi E-Tron vs. Jaguar I-Pace
August 10, 2020 (Digital Trends) ... Jaguar didn’t hold back and loaded the
I-Pace with lots of standard and optional tech ... E-Tron has a standard
12.3-inch digital instrument cluster and two center touchscreens, but the
E-Tron’s are slightly larger ...
https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/digital_trends_973/ec853b69359a402eb1c4ed1090131abc


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Hyundai-Kona-EV-range-record-r-630-mi-tp4698545.html
EVLN: Hyundai Kona EV range record r:630+mi
Hyundai Kona Electric Exceeds 620 Miles On A Single Charge
August 13, 2020  Hyundai has set a new range record with three Kona Electric
crossovers, which were tested for three days at the Lausitzring circuit in
Germany. At the end of the trials, each of the three zero-emission vehicles
... traveling for 633, 636.3 and 637.5 miles (1,018.7, 1,024.1 and 1,026 km)
respectively ...
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/hyundai-kona-electric-range-test-4.jpg


+
.no i-Pace taxis wireless-charge while fare-waiting

EV charging as available as wifi> hotels mobilize

EVSE &home controled by Powerwall> software update released


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EV-West-Bonneville-Speed-Record-Using-Tesla-Power-tp4698464p4698514.html
EV geeks will inherit the earth> EV West 218.2MPH Bonneville Record
The EV West Electraliner Set A Bonneville Electric Speed Record At 218.2 MPH
2020-08-13 ... EV West and Hickey Speed Electraliner made four runs in two
days on the Bonneville salt to go down in history as the fastest E2 class
car to ever run ... EV West crew hauled in a new battery array on a portable
gantry crane (above video) to swap for fresh electrons ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Hyundai Kona EV range record r:630+mi

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https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/hyundai-kona-electric-crossover-exceeds-620-miles-on-one-charge/
Hyundai Kona Electric Exceeds 620 Miles On A Single Charge
August 13, 2020  Hyundai has set a new range record with three Kona Electric
crossovers, which were tested for three days at the Lausitzring circuit in
Germany. At the end of the trials, each of the three zero-emission vehicles
... traveling for 633, 636.3 and 637.5 miles (1,018.7, 1,024.1 and 1,026 km)
respectively ...
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/hyundai-kona-electric-range-test-4.jpg


https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/hyundai-kona-electric-sets-new-ev-range-record-with-630-miles-per-charge-ar189279.html
Hyundai says the Kona Electric will do more than 630 miles per charge, but
there’s a catch
August 14, 2020 ... But before you rush to the closest Hyundai dealerships
to buy a car with such an impressive range, you need to know that the cars
were driven with average ...
https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop_webp/202008/hyundai-kona-electri-1_800x0.webp
...
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/hyundai-kona-electric-sets-range-record-of-over-620-miles-on-single-charge-41597389288083.html


+ (EV charging as available as wifi> hotels mobilise)
https://theenergyst.com/electric-vehicle-charging-will-become-like-wifi-why-hotels-are-mobilising/
Electric vehicle charging ‘will become like wifi’: Why hotels are mobilising
August 13, 2020 ... guests will come to expect electric vehicle charging as
standard ... “Green credentials are becoming increasingly important,” ... 
Installing charging infrastructure as part of a sustainable appoach also
future-proofs the hotel: providing EV chargers to guests, he suggests, will
soon become as obligatory to the hospitality sector as providing free
wireless internet ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: e-tron vs I-Pace> EVs w/ lots of optional tech

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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/audi-e-tron-vs-jaguar-151927439.html
Audi E-Tron vs. Jaguar I-Pace
August 10, 2020 (Digital Trends) ... Jaguar didn’t hold back and loaded the
I-Pace with lots of standard and optional tech ... E-Tron has a standard
12.3-inch digital instrument cluster and two center touchscreens, but the
E-Tron’s are slightly larger ...
https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/digital_trends_973/ec853b69359a402eb1c4ed1090131abc


+ ( .no i-Pace taxis wireless-charge while fare-waiting)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/business/jaguar-i-pace-oslo-taxis-charging.html
Norwegian Taxis, Wirelessly Charging While They Wait for a Fare
Aug. 13, 2020  Electric Jaguars in Oslo, using tech from a former NASA
architect, will soon be able to recharge on special pads embedded under the
road ... Starting next year, two dozen specially outfitted electric Jaguar
taxis will roam the streets of the very green capital of Norway. And when
they are idling at special taxi lines, they will be able to be recharged
from the ground up ...
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/13/business/13wheels1/merlin_175620243_d5c06c44-90b1-4550-8f5d-51a79b125472-jumbo.jpg




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