Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Affordable small European EVs on the way

2023-11-16 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 15 Nov 2023 at 21:35, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> I suppose we are waiting for a "Smart" size car from VW

Interesting that you mention Smart.  The Citroen New E-C3 is built on the 
Indian version of a Smart platform.

https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/stellantis-unveils-affordable-electric-
citroen-c3-25k/

https://v.gd/PZodnE

At EUR 23,300 the 320km range E-C3 will go an sale in late 2024, well ahead 
of anything comparable that VW has in the pipeline.

> for example if [VW] bring an electrified version of the Up! That car is
> barely more than 11 ft long (3m 60cm) 

They already have.  Volkswagen introduced the E-Up in 2014.  They ended 
production last month, along with the entire Up range including ICEV. 

The word is that there won't be another ICEV A-segment VW.  The Up  
replacement is supposed to be EV only, either the ID2 or ID1, depending on 
who you read.  IMO, most likely the ID2 will end up being the new Polo.

But it won't arrive until 2025 or 2026.  I don't understand VW's strategy of 
ending E-Up production 2 years or more before its replacement is in place.  
Maybe they think that A-segment EV buyers will just camp outside VW dealers 
and wait for them to build them.

IMO, more likely VW will follow Ford in losing yourg, limited-budget 
customers to the Chinese automakers and maybe to Citroen and Renault (Dacia 
Spring @ EUR 22k).  

If those customers like what they find, they're not too likely to return to 
Volkswagen - and Ford - as they age and gain more resources.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

2023-11-16 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV

> "We were just kidding!"
> -- Someone at Tesla, apparently

What a bunch of douches! Is this really the people we want building 
the future of global land transportation?


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