Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
Jerry, Thank you for your 3 following concerns…... 1. In winds or getting caught in a fast tide the boat could be out of control and you don't have enough power to handle it. >>Every boater should factor their boat, their experience & limitations, >>applying the sum to the area of passage, navigating accordingly. There will never be enough power to overcome stupidity. 2. While it can move some in good conditions, weather can go bad fast. >>Make sure that sentence is on a nice shiny brass plate attached prominently >>to your helm. 3. What I said still stands, ignore it if you want but my 45 yr boat design, building, sailing, solar and powering experience says you need to be very careful and have multiple large anchors. >>Many would be interested in your boat designs and boat builds. How is your "34 foot trimaran sail/solar powered 20 mph sail or gas power retirement home" coming along? Perhaps you might share this and your gallery of past and current marine work? Regards, George ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
Hi George and All, My health has caused me to not live on the water now so the Tri main hull/cabin has turned into a very aero travel trailer that I'm living in now. I'll be doing the same things on land though and likely design, build solar boats for others and for various boat companies as I move to St Pete after selling my home. Likely concentrate on building composite EV's and solar plug and play and wind systems. Jerry Dycus From: George McNeir <m...@qson.net> To: jerry freedomev <freedo...@yahoo.com> Cc: via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Boat Jerry, Thank you for your 3 following concerns…... 1. In winds or getting caught in a fast tide the boat could be out of control and you don't have enough power to handle it. >>Every boater should factor their boat, their experience & limitations, >>applying the sum to the area of passage, navigating accordingly. There will never be enough power to overcome stupidity. 2. While it can move some in good conditions, weather can go bad fast. >>Make sure that sentence is on a nice shiny brass plate attached prominently >>to your helm. 3. What I said still stands, ignore it if you want but my 45 yr boat design, building, sailing, solar and powering experience says you need to be very careful and have multiple large anchors. >>Many would be interested in your boat designs and boat builds. How is your "34 foot trimaran sail/solar powered 20 mph sail or gas power retirement home" coming along? Perhaps you might share this and your gallery of past and current marine work? Regards, George -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160214/a4c59558/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat (and another one)
I agree 100%. Just like EV's a solar boat is not for -everything-, it is for going slowly where the trip is tha value, not getting anywhere in particular. My solar boat only goes 3 MPH, yet when we take people out for a cruise, its like sailing (but don't need wind). You just enjoy everyone's company, the wine and cheze and the boat just goes where we tell it. Oh, and it has shade for 10 people... No, never plan on taking it out of the creek, nor in any but the best weather. but as a party boat, it is perfect! http://aprs.org/alternative-energy.html <== about 40% down the page. See the existing solar boat and the planned "solar deck" to be built this summer. (to provide 3 kW of grid tie, the 99% it is not in use)... Cant wait to eventually program it with a waypoint tracker and just let the party barge take us on the several pre-ordained cruises. Select from the 1,2,3,4,5, or 6 hour trip menu and sit back and enjoy the trip and the company. Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of George McNeir via EV Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:07 PM To: jerry freedomev Cc: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Boat Jerry, Sorry for the long period for response. It was difficult for me to come to fathom your reply, shown below this email. The MOG is a Totally Electric Powered Solar boat. I have endeavored to respond to your quips and numbered them 1 through 8. > That is a lot of boat drag to either go fast or far. 1. The boat has logged at least 520 miles on one of its many travels. If you read the MOG Log from our web site (originally cited) you would be better informed. > Just not a great choice for solar power. 2. This MOG configuration has been hailed in myriad publications, by certified naval architects, engineers and boat designers as one of the best applications of solar power. > Next since it can only go max 5mph on E 3. Over a measured mile it has exceeded its maximum hull speed, 7 knots. The hull design by Graham Byrnes, Naval Architect is very efficient. http://towndock.net/news/boat-designer-and-teacher-graham-byrnes-honored?p g=1Please notice the picture of the 22' Cat Ketch he designed for racing (& winning). > 2 speeds would be fine. 4. Evidently you have been misinformed about boat handling of a 40 foot boat negotiating in a marina fairway. 2 speeds is absurd. > Not likely to ever be more than a few mile range at low speed on electricity. 5. Think again please, there is no range limitation.. period. The boat has left Oriental, NC and logged 40 miles on the Alligator (tidal) passage. It left at 100% and arrived at 94% charge (Sun). > only 1.5hp of solar now. 6. At 2,585 watts of just solar, the hp is 3.46, with no counting the added storage from the 20 kW below deck. And that is only based on the present prototype. 1.5 hp provides about 3 mph. > eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules' > These are needlessly expensive or just not viable at all. 7. "Primarily I asked for dialog". How in heaven's name do you twist that request into my implementing any of the named items beyond the eCycle motor and Navitas controller? Your conclusion that I want information on 'buying' eCycle motors, cap/batteries amalgamations, advanced cells, flexible PVs is 100% incorrect. I want to dialog with those people that have 'used' these items. You have imposed your version of reality where it is totally inapplicable. Lastly you tell me that these items are not viable for my application. You demonstrate no experience in naval architecture, do not own a Navitas controller, have never run an eCycle motor, do not possess a large array of flexible PV's and I challenge you to present an array of pictures and videos of a 40 foot boat you have built, none the less designed. Please stick to the author's request and that was to dialog with those that have such experience, rather than interjecting oneself into areas beyond actual use. > A real canal/narrowboat would be great. 8. Some due diligence would suggest, that outside of a true narrow canal (no waves, no flow and no tides), a flat bottom narrowboat is the worst of all designs for intracoastal waters (our MOG's stated area of navigation). Narrow boats, a type of canal boat, are NOT to be used on large bodies of water and tidal flows (fast water for a narrowboat is 2-3 mph). From a UK canal boat site.. Never go out in fast water. Locks on rivers have a guide showing the height (and therefore speed) of the water, don't go out onto the river if the guide is "in the red". A car (with which you have experience) may pull off the road, park and have remedy to any common road situation unaffected by tide, wind, waves and sinking. If you do not know something about the MOG Totally Electric Powered Solar boat, kindly consult the sites I had pr
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
Hi George and All, In winds or getting caught in a fast tide the boat could be out of control and you don't have enough power to handle it. While it can move some in good conditions, weather can go bad fast. What I said still stands, ignore it if you want but my 45 yr boat design, building, sailing, solar and powering experience says you need to be very careful and have multiple large anchors. Jerry Dycus From: George McNeir <m...@qson.net> To: jerry freedomev <freedo...@yahoo.com> Cc: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Boat Jerry, Sorry for the long period for response. It was difficult for me to come to fathom your reply, shown below this email.The MOG is a Totally Electric Powered Solar boat. I have endeavored to respond to your quips and numbered them 1 through 8. That is a lot of boat drag to either go fast or far. 1. The boat has logged at least 520 miles on one of its many travels. If you read the MOG Log from our web site (originally cited) you would be better informed. Just not a great choice for solar power. 2. This MOG configuration has been hailed in myriad publications, by certified naval architects, engineers and boat designers as one of the best applications of solar power. Next since it can only go max 5mph on E 3. Over a measured mile it has exceeded its maximum hull speed, 7 knots. The hull design by Graham Byrnes, Naval Architect is very efficient. http://towndock.net/news/boat-designer-and-teacher-graham-byrnes-honored?pg=1 Please notice the picture of the 22’ Cat Ketch he designed for racing (& winning). 2 speeds would be fine. 4. Evidently you have been misinformed about boat handling of a 40 foot boat negotiating in a marina fairway. 2 speeds is absurd. Not likely to ever be more than a few mile range at low speed on electricity. 5. Think again please, there is no range limitation…. period. The boat has left Oriental, NC and logged 40 miles on the Alligator (tidal) passage. It left at 100% and arrived at 94% charge (Sun). only 1.5hp of solar now. 6. At 2,585 watts of just solar, the hp is 3.46, with no counting the added storage from the 20 kW below deck. And that is only based on the present prototype. 1.5 hp provides about 3 mph. eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules'These are needlessly expensive or just not viable at all. 7. “Primarily I asked for dialog”. How in heaven’s name do you twist that request into my implementing any of the named items beyond the eCycle motor and Navitas controller?Your conclusion that I want information on ‘buying’ eCycle motors, cap/batteries amalgamations, advanced cells, flexible PVs is 100% incorrect. I want to dialog with those people that have ‘used’ these items. You have imposed your version of reality where it is totally inapplicable. Lastly you tell me that these items are not viable for my application. You demonstrate no experience in naval architecture, do not own a Navitas controller, have never run an eCycle motor, do not possess a large array of flexible PV’s and I challenge you to present an array of pictures and videos of a 40 foot boat you have built, none the less designed. Please stick to the author’s request and that was to dialog with those that have such experience, rather than interjecting oneself into areas beyond actual use. A real canal/narrowboat would be great. 8. Some due diligence would suggest, that outside of a true narrow canal (no waves, no flow and no tides), a flat bottom narrowboat is the worst of all designs for intracoastal waters (our MOG’s stated area of navigation). Narrow boats, a type of canal boat, are NOT to be used on large bodies of water and tidal flows (fast water for a narrowboat is 2-3 mph). From a UK canal boat site…… - Never go out in fast water. Locks on rivers have a guide showing the height (and therefore speed) of the water, don't go out onto the river if the guide is "in the red”. A car (with which you have experience) may pull off the road, park and have remedy to any common road situation unaffected by tide, wind, waves and sinking. If you do not know something about the MOG Totally Electric Powered Solar boat, kindly consult the sites I had provided, ask questions and I will reply nicely. George On Apr 27, 2015, at 5:20 AM, jerry freedomev <freedo...@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi George and All, That is a lot of boat drag to either go fast or far. Just not a great choice for solar power. Next since it can only go max 5mph on E and few miles depending on your battery pack hard to justify it. And no need of expensive controllers, E cycle motors
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
ectric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline > fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules' > These are needlessly expensive or just not viable at all. > > Jerry Dycus > > > > From: George McNeir via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:06 PM > Subject: [EVDL] EV Boat > > I have just joined and subscribe to EVDL with the idea that there are > likeminded folks interested in large EV boat design and building. The MOG is > not a commercial enterprise at this time but may be key to the creation of > such. Everything designed and implemented over the past 25 years is described > on the site given below and in the videos and blog that are also given below. > > Primarily I ask for any dialog that would help in furthering the progress > made to date. In effect, those with knowledge of the Navitas NPS600 motor > controller, eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced > alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules, internal grid power > distribution DC networks and anything else that may be contemplated for such > a craft is welcome. > > In its present form, the totally solar electric (drive and appliance) powered > boat is very functional. Considerations in decreasing onboard use of power as > well as better use of power now created and stored is paramount in continuing > further development. > > To date, all of the boat design & build has been funded through my own > personal funds as a hobby. Below are the background data to which I referred. > > Thank you in advance for your deliberation and comments. George > > > VIDEOSMoving > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2nnN5892A=youtu.be > > Beached https://youtu.be/h92dWykE_Xo > > Tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGKbayI2yI > > SITEhttp://www.mogcanalboat.com > > BLOGhttp://www.mognavy.blogspot.com/ > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150426/2660f74b/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160211/09adc9fa/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
Hi George and All, That is a lot of boat drag to either go fast or far. Just not a great choice for solar power. Next since it can only go max 5mph on E and few miles depending on your battery pack hard to justify it. And no need of expensive controllers, E cycle motors as 2 speeds would be fine. No detail on the prop, which needs to be as large as possible turning slow rpm for most eff. What kind of outboards, inboards, KWHR and what it does now on them in speed, range. Not likely to ever be more than a few mile range at low speed on electricity. But driven slow like 4mph with more panels, only 1.5hp of solar now. Answer these and we can go from there. Doing EV boats one needs to start with a sailboat, mono, cat or tri hulls with much lower drag. A real canal/narrowboat would be great. 'eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules'These are needlessly expensive or just not viable at all. Jerry Dycus From: George McNeir via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:06 PM Subject: [EVDL] EV Boat I have just joined and subscribe to EVDL with the idea that there are likeminded folks interested in large EV boat design and building. The MOG is not a commercial enterprise at this time but may be key to the creation of such. Everything designed and implemented over the past 25 years is described on the site given below and in the videos and blog that are also given below. Primarily I ask for any dialog that would help in furthering the progress made to date. In effect, those with knowledge of the Navitas NPS600 motor controller, eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules, internal grid power distribution DC networks and anything else that may be contemplated for such a craft is welcome. In its present form, the totally solar electric (drive and appliance) powered boat is very functional. Considerations in decreasing onboard use of power as well as better use of power now created and stored is paramount in continuing further development. To date, all of the boat design build has been funded through my own personal funds as a hobby. Below are the background data to which I referred. Thank you in advance for your deliberation and comments. George VIDEOS Moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2nnN5892Afeature=youtu.be Beached https://youtu.be/h92dWykE_Xo Tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGKbayI2yI SITE http://www.mogcanalboat.com BLOG http://www.mognavy.blogspot.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150426/2660f74b/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150427/402e48c4/attachment-0001.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Boat
On Apr 26, 2015, at 6:06 PM, George McNeir via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In effect, those with knowledge of the Navitas NPS600 motor controller, eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules, internal grid power distribution DC networks and anything else that may be contemplated for such a craft is welcome. You've already got the motor and controller specced, it seems, but, if you're still in the early stages of things, you might want to get in touch with HPEVS. They've got a a brand-new line of oil-cooled versions of their motors specifically designed for marine usage. http://www.hpevs.com/oil-cooled-drive-systems.htm b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
