[EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
'Any j1772 EVSE will work fine, with a suitable adaptor' https://transportevolved.com/2014/12/10/misinformation-spreads-charging-requirements-tesla-model-s-goes-sale-australia/ As Misinformation Spreads About Charging Requirements, Tesla Model S Goes on Sale in Australia December 10, 2014 By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield [image https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/B4aUG_7CEAAH4ZW-580x580.jpg?0eb454 Simon Hackett picks up one of his two Tesla Model S cars in Sydney on Tuesday night. https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/JL85952-580x387.jpg?0eb454 Claims that the Tesla Model S can’t charge form a standard charging station are simply untrue. https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Wall-Charger-565x580.jpg?0eb454 You don’t need one of these to charge a Tesla: any charging station will do, with a suitable adaptor. ] After years of patient waiting, Australian businessman, broadband guru and long-time Tesla fan Simon Hackett flew to Sydney from his home town of Adelaide yesterday to become the first Tesla Model S owner in Australia. Hackett, who already owns several Tesla Roadsters, set a world record back in October 2009 for the longest-distance travelled by an electric car on a single charge by driving his U.S.-spec Tesla Roadster 313 miles on a single charge with ten percent of the car’s battery left at the end. And yesterday evening, he took ownership of not only the first Tesla Model S to be sold in Australia, but the second one too. Yet as Hackett and the other lucky handful of Australian Tesla customers enjoy that new car smell that comes for free with every new Tesla Model S, fear and misinformation in Australia about the power requirements of a Tesla home charging station have lead to some pretty salacious headlines. One in particular, claims that the average Australian couldn’t buy a Tesla Model S and charge it at home because it would require their home electrics to be upgraded at a cost of up to $10,000 AUS before they could fit a home charging station. Without enough power to operate the 40-amp, optional high-powered wall charger Tesla offers its customers, the article claims, Tesla Model S owners can’t charge their car. What’s more, it claims that regular electric car charging stations — ones used by other electric cars on sale in Australia — wouldn’t be powerful enough to work. Frustratingly, the claim can be traced back to Master Electricians Australia, a 74-year old trade organisation which represents electrical contractors across Australia. An organisation which we’d imagine would understand that not all electric car charging stations are equal. In an interview with News.com.au, the organisation’s spokesman Greg Bryant warned that the 40-amp high-power charging station offered to Tesla Model S customers with their cars would simply be impossible to install in most homes, and said Tesla owners could be faced with bills upwards of $50,000 to upgrade their local substation to handle the extra power demand brought by their electric car charging. “It is highly unlikely the mains cable coming into the home switchboard will be adequate to carry the extra 40 amp load to recharge the car,” Bryant said, insinuating that the average home in Australia doesn’t have enough spare power capacity to accommodate the installation of Tesla’s high-powered 40-amp home charging stations. As Hackett points out, claims that you must upgrade your home wiring if you install a 40 amp capable charger are “just rubbish”. “The 40 Amp rating is simply the maximum current that charger (supplied at no extra cost with the car) is capable of,” he wrote in an email earlier today. “In the event that you want the car to consume less current than that, you can simply turn the (Model S) charging current down to 32, 16, 13 or even 10 amps, with a few taps on the touch-screen of the model S. The car then remembers that charging limit using its on-board GPS and respects it automatically in the future, at that location.” Like the UK, Australia’s domestic power supply operates on 230 volts, single-phase AC. As in Europe, some homes also benefit from three-phase power supplies, which are ideal for larger, higher-demand equipment such as heating and air conditioning systems. In those cases, there’s usually more than enough power supply for a humble electric car charging station: no rewiring required. What’s more, Hackett argues, even Tesla Model S owners with a 40 amp home charging station and a low-current supply to their home will be likely charging their car at night — when other high-power devices like the stove and air conditioning system — won’t be operating at full power. If you’re still worried, Hackett suggests worried Model S owners ask their electrician to install a circuit breaker so that it becomes impossible to draw more than the appropriate current level at home while charging. Then there’s the myth that the electrical grid can’t co
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
The Australian delivered Teslas have the UK style, 3 phase, Mennekes connector for charging rather than a J1772. The official word from Tesla Australia is that a J1772 to Mennekes adaptor will not work with the car. I’m a little skeptical about this. They are readily available in the UK and claimed to work with a Tesla Model S. I will get to experiment with this on Simon’s car if and when the Juicebox shows up. John Lindsay > On 15 Dec 2014, at 9:32 pm, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > 'Any j1772 EVSE will work fine, with a suitable adaptor' > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
I gather (from Plugshare) that most AU Level 2 public EVSEs are either tethered J1772 or a Type 2 (Mennekes) socket. In the former case, a simple J1772 (Type 1) to Mennekes (Type 2) converter would work fine. You could make one yourself for AU$200 and no degree in rocket science required. In the latter case an equally simple Type 2 to Type 1 cable would be equally fine and still cost about $AU 200 (eg www.EVBitz.uk!). Regards, Martin Winlow. On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:34, John Lindsay via EV wrote: > The Australian delivered Teslas have the UK style, 3 phase, Mennekes > connector for charging rather than a J1772. > > The official word from Tesla Australia is that a J1772 to Mennekes adaptor > will not work with the car. > > I’m a little skeptical about this. > > They are readily available in the UK and claimed to work with a Tesla Model S. > > I will get to experiment with this on Simon’s car if and when the Juicebox > shows up. > > John Lindsay > > >> On 15 Dec 2014, at 9:32 pm, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> >> >> 'Any j1772 EVSE will work fine, with a suitable adaptor' >> > > __ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
I have never seen a Mennekes outlet in Australia. All the public charging points are either 15 amp 230 volt general power outlets (will accept a standard 10 amp or 15 amp plug) or a J1772 plug on a cable. The only commercial EVs are iMievs and Leafs plus the GM Volt plug in hybrid. And now of course the Tesla Model S. I have just received an AVC2 module and J1772 socket so I can convert my car to use J1772 because it's now quite popular for public charging in my city. Of course popular is relative. There are perhaps five public charging points. John Lindsay > On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:15 pm, Martin WINLOW wrote: > > I gather (from Plugshare) that most AU Level 2 public EVSEs are either > tethered J1772 or a Type 2 (Mennekes) socket. In the former case, a simple > J1772 (Type 1) to Mennekes (Type 2) converter would work fine. You could > make one yourself for AU$200 and no degree in rocket science required. In > the latter case an equally simple Type 2 to Type 1 cable would be equally > fine and still cost about $AU 200 (eg www.EVBitz.uk!). > > Regards, Martin Winlow. > > >> On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:34, John Lindsay via EV wrote: >> >> The Australian delivered Teslas have the UK style, 3 phase, Mennekes >> connector for charging rather than a J1772. >> >> The official word from Tesla Australia is that a J1772 to Mennekes adaptor >> will not work with the car. >> >> I’m a little skeptical about this. >> >> They are readily available in the UK and claimed to work with a Tesla Model >> S. >> >> I will get to experiment with this on Simon’s car if and when the Juicebox >> shows up. >> >> John Lindsay >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 9:32 pm, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 'Any j1772 EVSE will work fine, with a suitable adaptor' >> >> __ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
On 15 Dec 2014 at 3:02, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Hackett, who already owns several Tesla Roadsters, set a world record back > in October 2009 for the longest-distance travelled by an electric car on a > single charge by driving his U.S.-spec Tesla Roadster 313 miles on a single > charge with ten percent of the car's battery left at the end. World record? I don't think so. In 1996, a Solectria Sunrise went 373.6 miles on one charge in the Tour de Sol. Keep trying. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Archaic Salacious Electricians.au cast EVs as bogeyman
The Guinness Book of World Records sent an official observer and recorded it as a record. The record was for a production EV with standard equipment. That record has since been broken in a Tesla Model S. I worked for Simon at the time and it was fascinating to watch the logistics of driving an EV across Australia from north to south come together including a massive generator to charge the car every day. It really is possible to determine the diesel equivalent mileage of an EV when you pour the diesel into the generator every day. John Lindsay >> On 16 Dec 2014, at 6:35 am, EVDL Administrator via EV >> wrote: >> >> On 15 Dec 2014 at 3:02, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> Hackett, who already owns several Tesla Roadsters, set a world record back >> in October 2009 for the longest-distance travelled by an electric car on a >> single charge by driving his U.S.-spec Tesla Roadster 313 miles on a single >> charge with ten percent of the car's battery left at the end. > > World record? I don't think so. In 1996, a Solectria Sunrise went 373.6 > miles on one charge in the Tour de Sol. > > Keep trying. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
