Re: [EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets
The article implies that most of the security is built into the dongle that is paid for by the EV owner. What is to prevent a person from paying a bit more for a hacked dongle? What is to prevent a person from just plugging in directly? The concept sounds interesting, but the security sounds like is need a little bit more thought, at least as the system is described by the article. Bill D. On 5/16/2015 2:53 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets
http://www.itworld.com/article/2922935/consumerization/to-push-electric-cars-seoul-rolls-out-portable-chargers-with-rfid.html To push electric cars, Seoul rolls out portable chargers with RFID By Yewon Kang IDG News Service | May 14, 2015 [image / Power Cube http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/electric-car-charger-100585428-primary.idge.jpg At an apartment parking lot in Seoul, an electric car is charged with the EV-Line, a portable, RFID-equipped cable from Power Cube ] The chargers allow drivers to juice up their batteries at residential parking lots rather than dedicated stations Seoul is trying to put one of the world’s highest concentrations of electric vehicles (EVs) on its roads with a project that would let drivers charge their vehicles in residential parking lots and other everyday locations. The city is planning to give out electric charger cables fitted with RFID readers that would allow drivers to recharge their batteries through standard power outlets at 100,000 locations—a huge increase from current numbers. Central to the project is a charger cable called the EV-Line, developed by Gyeonggi-based Power Cube. The cable has an RFID reader than can scan an RFID tag attached to power outlets in parking lots for apartments, offices and elsewhere. It also has a 3G wireless module. The system then transmits the driver’s identity, along with the time, place and amount of electricity used, back to Power Cube. The user gets billed later and Power Cube in turn pays the national electricity provider, Korea Electric Power. The setup is designed to make recharging easy for drivers, who can top up their batteries at a convenient time and location instead of having to go to a dedicated recharging station. “The biggest problem in Korea is securing charging spots in cramped parking areas in apartments,” said Shin Kyu-sik, director of Power Cube. Nearly 84 percent of Seoul residents live in apartments as opposed to individual houses with a garage. According to government data, there are 911 EVs and 935 charging stations in Seoul. Nationwide, there are 3,044 EVs and 3,201 stations. Most of these vehicles, though, are owned by public-sector entities. The Seoul Metropolitan Government wants to encourage private ownership and will provide electric car buyers with the EV-Line charger for free. It aims to secure 10,000 designated spots for EV-Line users by the end of the year and 100,000 by 2018. To do that it will have to negotiate permissions with landlords and get safety approvals. The EV-Line costs about 1 million won (about US$917) per device, which is a sixth of the cost of building a vehicle charging station, said Han Myoung-sil, a deputy director with the Environment Ministry’s green transportation team. “The portable chargers could be an option for consumers because of the affordability and convenience, but they might not replace regular charging stations because we still don’t know how smoothly they’ll work in reality,” Han said, adding users’ data privacy and security are also a concern. One downside is the time it takes to juice up a battery. The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour, so it takes six to eight hours to fully charge a car battery, compared with a regular public EV charging location, which charges at 8 kilowatts per hour and takes half the time, Shin said. Users can keep tabs on the charging progress with a mobile app. The Environment Ministry has been encouraging residents to adopt more environmentally friendly cars since 2011. It has distributed free electric cars and motorbikes to public workers and made them available for rent by the public. Participating EV makers include Kia Motors, Renault Samsung, General Motors and BMW. [© 2015 IDG Enterprise] http://www.cio.com.au/article/575101/push-electric-cars-seoul-rolls-portable-chargers-rfid/ To push electric cars, Seoul rolls out portable chargers with RFID Yewon Kang (IDG News Service) 15 May, 2015 [image http://cdn.cio.com.au/article/images/740x500/dimg/e8_500.jpg The EV-Line is a portable electric vehicle charging cable fitted with RFID tags that would allow drivers to charge their cars almost anywhere through standard power outlets. ] ... [© cio.com.au] For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-KRW1M-portable-L2-3kW-EVSE-w-RFID-3G-for-Seoul-kr-outlets-tp4675567.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets
On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets
My thoughts, too. Might work better if the dongle were actually a credit card reader and you had to swipe to activite - like Square. Not as convenient but it passes the security problem on to someone else. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 16-May-15 9:57:25 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets The article implies that most of the security is built into the dongle that is paid for by the EV owner. What is to prevent a person from paying a bit more for a hacked dongle? What is to prevent a person from just plugging in directly? The concept sounds interesting, but the security sounds like is need a little bit more thought, at least as the system is described by the article. Bill D. On 5/16/2015 2:53 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)