Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety
On 15 Mar 2024 at 1:06, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The question still stands as to how complete is the charging > infrastructure. Do they have a system complete enough that you can drive > without planning ahead ? Without worrying about whether a charge station > will be open and working ? You can use a search engine at least as well as I can, I suppose. But I did a little nosing around. Most of what I found was surprisingly vague on charging availability. However, I found the amateur video clip linked below. It gives no statistics, and the production values are, ehhh, kinda elementary, but it might be of some use. The impression is that Norway has a LOT charging options everywhere, including 150kW and 300kW DC charging. I can't say how this compares with California, but when I saw it, my jaw dropped. We had nothing like this back in Ohio. France is certainly more wired, even the lower-income rural area where we are, but it still pales by comparison. And this clip isn't even up to date. It appears to have been posted in mid- 2022. Norway's probably even more densely wired now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jt3SSw6pJk David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = That's not a "cloud," it's just someone else's computer. -- Anonymous = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety
To be honest, this article doesn't really say much in a quantitative sense. The question still stands as to how complete is the charging infrastructure. Do they have a system complete enough that you can drive without planning ahead ? Without worrying about whether a charge station will be open and working ? Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EV List Lackey via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EV List Lackey" Sent: 14-Mar-24 06:29:56 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety On 14 Mar 2024 at 4:28, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: how is the [Norwegian] charging infrastructure. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/03/08/how-norway-became-the-worlds-electric- car-capital/ or https://v.gd/xwDCH2 David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Think about how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half of them are even stupider than that. -- George Carlin = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240315/71bb382c/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety
On 14 Mar 2024 at 4:28, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > how is the [Norwegian] charging infrastructure. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/03/08/how-norway-became-the-worlds-electric- car-capital/ or https://v.gd/xwDCH2 David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Think about how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half of them are even stupider than that. -- George Carlin = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety
So, with 90%, that means a lot of people are using EVs as transpo for vacation. And that begs the question, how is the charging infrastructure. Maybe most can make it to their cabin or wherever without stopping to charge. But, a quick online search shows that they drive quite a bit for vacation, including into Sweden and elsewhere. So, likely, they will charge en route. Maybe their attitude is open to that, as opposed to many Americans who seem to think that losing an extra 15 minutes here and there will ruin the vacation. I don't know. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EV List Lackey via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "EV List Lackey" Sent: 13-Mar-24 10:34:14 Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety I thought that France was doing decently with almost 25% EV sales (counting true hybrids) In January 2024. In Norway, over 90% of the private vehicles sold in January were EVs. NINETY PERCENT. Total proportion of EVs now on Norway's roads: one-quarter. And they don't have EV purchase subsidies. Well, not exactly. They tax ICEVs heavily, but not EVs. It works. "Norway is perhaps an unlikely country to revolutionise transportation. How has it managed to get so far ahead? "Simple answer: good tax policies," says Christina Bu, the secretary general of the Norwegian EV Association, the world´s largest EV club, with more than 120,000 members." *** "Because Norway´s proportional, multi-party system often produces coalition and minority governments, emissions haven´t become politicised, as they have in other countries - there is enthusiasm for EVs across the spectrum. The target of making all new cars zero emissions by 2025 was supported by all parties." *** [Norway's electricity is] almost entirely from renewable sources, of which about 10% is wind. The rest comes from hydroelectric plants (the country´s steep valleys and rivers lend themselves to hydro). Nygaard says: 'The arguments for zero-emission transport are perhaps a bit easier to communicate in Norway, because we are already based on renewable energy.'" Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/12/how-did-norway-become- the-electric-car-superpower-oil-money-civil-disobedience-and-morten-from-a- ha shortcut: https://v.gd/HBFv3F David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = One of the problems with modern society is that it places more importance on things that have a price than on things that have a value. -- Pablo Fajardo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240314/9abd0b62/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] EVLN: Norway's Ninety
I thought that France was doing decently with almost 25% EV sales (counting true hybrids) In January 2024. In Norway, over 90% of the private vehicles sold in January were EVs. NINETY PERCENT. Total proportion of EVs now on Norway's roads: one-quarter. And they don't have EV purchase subsidies. Well, not exactly. They tax ICEVs heavily, but not EVs. It works. "Norway is perhaps an unlikely country to revolutionise transportation. How has it managed to get so far ahead? "Simple answer: good tax policies," says Christina Bu, the secretary general of the Norwegian EV Association, the world´s largest EV club, with more than 120,000 members." *** "Because Norway´s proportional, multi-party system often produces coalition and minority governments, emissions haven´t become politicised, as they have in other countries - there is enthusiasm for EVs across the spectrum. The target of making all new cars zero emissions by 2025 was supported by all parties." *** [Norway's electricity is] almost entirely from renewable sources, of which about 10% is wind. The rest comes from hydroelectric plants (the country´s steep valleys and rivers lend themselves to hydro). Nygaard says: 'The arguments for zero-emission transport are perhaps a bit easier to communicate in Norway, because we are already based on renewable energy.'" Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/12/how-did-norway-become- the-electric-car-superpower-oil-money-civil-disobedience-and-morten-from-a- ha shortcut: https://v.gd/HBFv3F David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = One of the problems with modern society is that it places more importance on things that have a price than on things that have a value. -- Pablo Fajardo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
