Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry... GRILLS!
Systems always seek a state of lowest potential; falling drops of water are round in front and taper back because they can conform to a state of lowest potential as the move through the air. This doesn't make it a practical shape necessarily, but it is an ideal worth considering. I have been involved in streamlining human powered vehicles and from a practical stand point, tapering the back is an easier way to reduce drag than rounding the front. FWIW. Start in the back and do right by the front as best you can. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: The one sentence that caught my eye: Automakers may be big, lumbering, and risk-averse, but they are not stupid. Well they sure stand-in-line to copy each other's race to the ugliest GRILLS every seen since the Edsal. Is it just me or is the trend now in gas cars to see who can make the biggest and ugliest grill possible? Since EV's hardly need them at all, I wonder what the ideal front end of an EV will look like when we grow out of Grill Chrome as a decoration? Cars have always been more about style than aerodynamics. Aerovironment's Paul MacReady, who designed GM's EV1 electric car said he fought constantly with the GM stylists for function over style. He also said most cars are more streamlined in reverse than going forward. An optimized car design would be shaped more like a bird or airplane, with *no* grille in front -- just a smooth rounded nose, with aerodynamically designed air intakes where needed for engine cooling. -- When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- Buckminster Fuller -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150407/a4bf6086/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry... GRILLS!
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: The one sentence that caught my eye: Automakers may be big, lumbering, and risk-averse, but they are not stupid. Well they sure stand-in-line to copy each other's race to the ugliest GRILLS every seen since the Edsal. Is it just me or is the trend now in gas cars to see who can make the biggest and ugliest grill possible? Since EV's hardly need them at all, I wonder what the ideal front end of an EV will look like when we grow out of Grill Chrome as a decoration? Cars have always been more about style than aerodynamics. Aerovironment's Paul MacReady, who designed GM's EV1 electric car said he fought constantly with the GM stylists for function over style. He also said most cars are more streamlined in reverse than going forward. An optimized car design would be shaped more like a bird or airplane, with *no* grille in front -- just a smooth rounded nose, with aerodynamically designed air intakes where needed for engine cooling. -- When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- Buckminster Fuller -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry... GRILLS!
The one sentence that caught my eye: Automakers may be big, lumbering, and risk-averse, but they are not stupid. Well they sure stand-in-line to copy each other's race to the ugliest GRILLS every seen since the Edsal. Is it just me or is the trend now in gas cars to see who can make the biggest and ugliest grill possible? Since EV's hardly need them at all, I wonder what the ideal front end of an EV will look like when we grow out of Grill Chrome as a decoration? Tesla has a start... Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 7:16 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behi nd-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the dominant force in that industry. Sure feels like we're at the cusp of a phase change, when all sorts of little things add up in a big and surprising way. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150405/113f96 a8/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
