Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008
>From the results piling in at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en, it looks like 835 attendees were reported at 33 venues. Extrapolating to the 60 pre-registered venues, we may have had over 1500 attendees world-wide. Brasilia, Brazil is still top of the chart with 128 attendees. -- Karl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/World-Plone-Day-2008-tp1487270p1492766.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Re: World Plone Day 2008
Xavier Heymans wrote: Hi, Any plan for a press release to make post event promotion? Could be interesting if we have estimate about the number of events, attendies, talks, ... Xavier We're just on it. That's the feedback for. Kind Regards r. -- "none of us is smart as all of us" Japanese Proverb ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Re: Lessons learned from the first World Plone Day
Hi Chris, Thank you so much for taking the time to write up your impressions. As a result of our very small but information session in Silicon Valley I've decided that next year we break the "day" up into tracks so that end users and developers alike get some benefit out of it. A time to mingle and meet with each other (over breakfast) then split up into "I'm an end user", "I'm an integrator", "I'm a python programmer interested in learning Plone" and I think that'll be the ticket for success. I'm an integrator who has been working with Plone since 2001 and one of the my mantras has been that we overlook the needs of the actual "users" of Plone. We've come so far, we really have but it's still a bit of a struggle getting through to developers what those of us who spend time on the phone with clients hear on a regular basis. What seems intuitive to someone who has been working with Plone for a long time, isn't necessarily intuitive to the brand new users. It's a common mistake we make as Plonistas, assuming just because we know how something works that a new user will just "get it". I am just flat out excited that we pulled off World Plone Day as successfully as we did!!! So next year we do this again keeping in mind all the awesome input from those who attended. Thanks again Chris for your insight and look forward to hearing your impressions after next years World Plone Day! Best Regards, Donna M Snow, Principal C Squared Enterprises illuminating your path to Open Source http://www.csquaredtech.com On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Chris Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was a "simple attendee" at the Houston WPD, so take my impressions for > what they're worth. > > > (1) attendance in Houston was "ok". I didn't do a head count, but a rough > guess would put the number at around 20. Honestly, I expected (hoped) for > at least 2-3 times that number. > > > (2) the facility we had at the U. of Houston was fantastic. This is > probably because one of the Plone founders (Alan Runyan) is local (literally > just a few miles away). The free lunch provided, while a simple box > sandwich/wrap type, was quite good. Whoever arranged it deserves major > kudos! > > > (3) Audience - I feel for the presenters because it is always difficult to > gauge just who your audience is likely to be. It seemed that more than 50% > of the attendees in Houston already had some experience w/ Plone. > Unfortunately, this isn't true for myself and my wife (one of only 2 > females in attendance). > > I came as a system administrator, but not web designer, who is looking at > it from a "is this something that will make my life - and the life of the > users in my dept - easier?". Iow, I wanted some of the technical details > about installation (on Linux) and *configuration*. There was virtually > none. :-(Now that's not to say I didn't get anything out of it - it was > still worthwhile for me to attend. And the fact that I won a door prize of > a Plone User's Guide book is likely going to be VERY helpful! :-) > > My wife came as "VERY non-tech oriented, but trying to maintain a website > for a non-profit organization" person. Much of the discussion was WAY over > her head, but she was able to glean enough (she's not totally tech > incompetent) to see how using Plone is probably the right tool for the job > she is trying to accomplish (by comparison, she is currently using Google > Apps). > > > (4) Presenters - Alan presented 2 of the topics and was fantastic. They > were BY FAR were the best ones there (at least as far as getting information > I could use out of it). > > In fact, there was really only 1 presentation that I felt was not all that > great - it was a remote "call-in" that really wasn't about Plone, but was > instead almost totally about their website. To be more clear, I really > wasn't interested in what their website was about or how people use it - I > wanted to see how they used Plone to build it. > > > (5) Content - Overall, I think the content was directed mostly at the > "ubber geek, *programmer*" audience. Honestly, I think this is a mistake. > Please don't misunderstand me; I liked WPD - it was useful for both me and > my wife to attend. We both got something out of it. > > BUT (you knew I had to include a "but"), if the goal is to build evangelism > in Plone, I think the target audience needs to be redirected more toward > folks like myself (maybe 15%-20% of the content) and my wife (at least 70% > of the content). Now maybe this is because I believe in an "end-user driven > environment". After all, it's the end-user, not the programmer, that will > dictate what systems, programs, environments get used and "win in the end". > > -- > > Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes > [EMAIL PROTECTED]Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes > Computer Systems Manager MSN IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Department of Physics ph: 979-845-7801 > Texas A&
[Evangelism] Re: Lessons learned from the first World Plone Day
I was a "simple attendee" at the Houston WPD, so take my impressions for what they're worth. (1) attendance in Houston was "ok". I didn't do a head count, but a rough guess would put the number at around 20. Honestly, I expected (hoped) for at least 2-3 times that number. (2) the facility we had at the U. of Houston was fantastic. This is probably because one of the Plone founders (Alan Runyan) is local (literally just a few miles away). The free lunch provided, while a simple box sandwich/wrap type, was quite good. Whoever arranged it deserves major kudos! (3) Audience - I feel for the presenters because it is always difficult to gauge just who your audience is likely to be. It seemed that more than 50% of the attendees in Houston already had some experience w/ Plone. Unfortunately, this isn't true for myself and my wife (one of only 2 females in attendance). I came as a system administrator, but not web designer, who is looking at it from a "is this something that will make my life - and the life of the users in my dept - easier?". Iow, I wanted some of the technical details about installation (on Linux) and *configuration*. There was virtually none. :-(Now that's not to say I didn't get anything out of it - it was still worthwhile for me to attend. And the fact that I won a door prize of a Plone User's Guide book is likely going to be VERY helpful! :-) My wife came as "VERY non-tech oriented, but trying to maintain a website for a non-profit organization" person. Much of the discussion was WAY over her head, but she was able to glean enough (she's not totally tech incompetent) to see how using Plone is probably the right tool for the job she is trying to accomplish (by comparison, she is currently using Google Apps). (4) Presenters - Alan presented 2 of the topics and was fantastic. They were BY FAR were the best ones there (at least as far as getting information I could use out of it). In fact, there was really only 1 presentation that I felt was not all that great - it was a remote "call-in" that really wasn't about Plone, but was instead almost totally about their website. To be more clear, I really wasn't interested in what their website was about or how people use it - I wanted to see how they used Plone to build it. (5) Content - Overall, I think the content was directed mostly at the "ubber geek, *programmer*" audience. Honestly, I think this is a mistake. Please don't misunderstand me; I liked WPD - it was useful for both me and my wife to attend. We both got something out of it. BUT (you knew I had to include a "but"), if the goal is to build evangelism in Plone, I think the target audience needs to be redirected more toward folks like myself (maybe 15%-20% of the content) and my wife (at least 70% of the content). Now maybe this is because I believe in an "end-user driven environment". After all, it's the end-user, not the programmer, that will dictate what systems, programs, environments get used and "win in the end". -- Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes Computer Systems Manager MSN IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Physics ph: 979-845-7801 Texas A&M University fax: 979-845-2590 ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Karl Horak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Nate. I was not aware of that feature--it looks pretty cool. I'll > be sure to try that the next time I'm requesting info. You can still use the form for a spreadsheet that's already been created. I made one here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/gform?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg#invite Nate > Nate Aune wrote: >> >> Karl - do you know about the forms feature that is new with Google >> Spreadsheets? This might be a more simple and safe way to collect the >> data than having folks edit the raw table cells. >> >> Nate >> >> -- >> Nate Aune - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.jazkarta.com >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Postmortem-for-WPD-tp1476019p1488858.html > Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > -- Nate Aune - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) PondCMS: Fully managed Plone-based CMS solution http://jazkarta.com/products/pondcms ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD
I create a World Plone Day Google Group to communicate with local organizers: http://groups.google.com/group/worldploneday Anyone is welcome to join. I'll forward the request. - Gerry 2008/11/12 Jan Ulrich Hasecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Am 12.11.2008 um 09:52 schrieb Karl Horak: > >> For those of you who hosted an event and haven't submitted results, kindly >> see http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en. >> We're accumulating some really useful textual lessons-learned as well as >> raw >> attendance numbers. >> >> > We should post a link to the spreadsheet in the plone-user list, because I > fear that not all organizers are subscribed here. > > juh > > -- > DZUG e.V. (Deutschsprachige Zope User Group) > http://www.zope.de > > > > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > -- blog: http://gerrykirk.net daily musings at http://twitter.com/gerrykirk ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008
Definitely should be done, no later than this Friday. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Xavier Heymans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi, > > Any plan for a press release to make post event promotion? > > Could be interesting if we have estimate about the number of events, > attendies, talks, ... > > Xavier > > > > On 11 Nov 2008, at 23:35, Roberto Allende wrote: > > Hello >> >> ** Thanks to all the people who supported World Plone Day *** >> >> It was a great success, i'm deeply proud of being member of such awesome >> community. >> >> Spread WPD! >> Please, publish photos about your local WPD, we're using worldploneday2008 >> tag in Flickr and there are more than 250 photos: >> http://flickr.com/photos/tags/worldploneday2008 >> >> Evaluation >> Right now we're starting to contact all the host to get feedback, if you >> wrote and published them already better!. Otherwise, you'll get a mail in >> few days. >> >> Short comment >> If we see google trends: >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=plone%2C+zope >> can we say ploneconf + book releases + wpd are a good combination ? :D >> (check the graph in the right) >> >> Kind Regards >> r. >> >> -- >> http://robertoallende.com >> >> >> ___ >> Evangelism mailing list >> Evangelism@lists.plone.org >> http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism >> >> > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > -- blog: http://gerrykirk.net daily musings at http://twitter.com/gerrykirk ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008
Hi, Any plan for a press release to make post event promotion? Could be interesting if we have estimate about the number of events, attendies, talks, ... Xavier On 11 Nov 2008, at 23:35, Roberto Allende wrote: Hello ** Thanks to all the people who supported World Plone Day *** It was a great success, i'm deeply proud of being member of such awesome community. Spread WPD! Please, publish photos about your local WPD, we're using worldploneday2008 tag in Flickr and there are more than 250 photos: http://flickr.com/photos/tags/worldploneday2008 Evaluation Right now we're starting to contact all the host to get feedback, if you wrote and published them already better!. Otherwise, you'll get a mail in few days. Short comment If we see google trends: http://www.google.com/trends?q=plone%2C+zope can we say ploneconf + book releases + wpd are a good combination ? :D (check the graph in the right) Kind Regards r. -- http://robertoallende.com ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD
Am 12.11.2008 um 09:52 schrieb Karl Horak: For those of you who hosted an event and haven't submitted results, kindly see http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P- XXweg&hl=en. We're accumulating some really useful textual lessons-learned as well as raw attendance numbers. We should post a link to the spreadsheet in the plone-user list, because I fear that not all organizers are subscribed here. juh -- DZUG e.V. (Deutschsprachige Zope User Group) http://www.zope.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD
Thanks, Nate. I was not aware of that feature--it looks pretty cool. I'll be sure to try that the next time I'm requesting info. As it stands, we now (WPD+4) have 15 responses out of 60 WPD venues. 493 confirmed attendees. That's an average of almost 33 attendees per venue. If one extrapolates to 60 sites, that's 1972 visitors(!). Largest event so far: 128 people attending the WPD at Brasilia, Brazil. (Tip o' the hat to whoever added the summary formulae to the spreadsheet.) Any way you slice the numbers, WPD was a success, especially considering it was our first go at this. For those of you who hosted an event and haven't submitted results, kindly see http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en. We're accumulating some really useful textual lessons-learned as well as raw attendance numbers. Karl Nate Aune wrote: > > Karl - do you know about the forms feature that is new with Google > Spreadsheets? This might be a more simple and safe way to collect the > data than having folks edit the raw table cells. > > Nate > > -- > Nate Aune - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.jazkarta.com > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Postmortem-for-WPD-tp1476019p1488858.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
