Re: [Evangelism] Re: Re: Plone Messaging
> Documentation is still an issue and I think the board needs to consider > hiring someone to manage that area (like we do our release manager). The > documenation team is great and hard working but everyone has to work > full-time and can only dedicate xx amount of time (I keep trying to > contribute but time and life get in the way, which I know is true for > everyone). Paying a manager for the documentation section isn't going to solve the root of the problem: we don't have enough people contributing correct documentation that is broad enough to apply to most use cases of Plone. If you want to pay someone to do documentation, pay them to write it, not to manage the section. ( and no, that is not a viable solution either) The majority of our doc Editors are doing a better job than anyone could have expected. I'm not inclined to change how we're operating until we've completed our current work. Plus, paying someone doesn't change the fact that we are busy with work and have lives outside of work and Plone. Doesn't really solve any of the issues we have with documentation, in my not so humble opinion. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Re: Re: Plone Messaging
<.snip> One thing we could probably do better is to communicate this outwards. There's been a resurgence of interest from the press in Plone lately, so I'm hoping to get this stuff published in publications outside of just the Ploniverse too. <./snip> +1 This is improving with heavy involvement by sixfeetup (and gabrielle's marketing background) There is still a slight rift between dev and integration (aka getting info to those of us who actually implement the changes in client sites on a daily basis) but it has improved dramatically. I (and others like me) may not contribute code to the core but we do work with Plone on a daily basis (the actual integrators/users) and we are put to the test based on the code Plone provides us. Documentation is still an issue and I think the board needs to consider hiring someone to manage that area (like we do our release manager). The documenation team is great and hard working but everyone has to work full-time and can only dedicate xx amount of time (I keep trying to contribute but time and life get in the way, which I know is true for everyone). In the meantime our core code is improving and changing and our documenation cannot keep up. I'm not sure what the solution is but there has to be a way to match them up somehow. It doesn't do a darn bit of good to have a solid release if the developers/integrators are scratching their heads or spending hours trying to figure out why they can't add a viewlet to their site . We still have issues with "assuming" that people will just "know" how to do it. Or because we know it that it's "easy". The 2.5 to 3.0 debacle is an example. I'm finally coming up for air after being submerged in learning the new way to theme Plone sites. Will this change again in 4.0? I see improvements all over the place, new great products to make working with Plone much easier. Hopefully we can tie them altogether. I've seen a huge amount of interest in Plone lately and that's an exciting development. We (c2e) are heading into our second large project with Stanford and the interest in training is increasing. I think if we can expand our piece of the pie (market share) Plone'll have more resources at its disposal. I just want to say thanks to Six Feet Up (and others like Nate -Jazkarta) for working so hard to get the type of exposure Plone needs. Wish I had the resources but I'm doing what I can (it's just little ole me)! Next step is to turn the Bay Area around and get more companies out here using Plone! -Donna coming soon! c2etraining.com ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Re: Re: Plone Messaging
On Tue, 05 May 2009 23:41:55 -0700, Matt Hamilton wrote: Now I know that Alex is often (and I hope you don't mind me saying this Alex) quite ambitious in his visions for Plone in some of these talks, but I think that is a good thing. :) That's spot on, my role isn't always to be correct, it's to show what potential we can realize if we do certain things, and why we want to do it. I know very well that a lot of the stuff we talk about ends up landing in a later release — but I have stopped worrying about scheduling. We've been at this for 8+ years, we have some of the best people in the business working on our product, and a healthy, fun community. That's what counts, and why I'm not worried. How that will now relate to the release manager type role I'm not sure. Ie. I think Hanno would be in a much better position to say what is or isn't upcoming. But I think Alex does a very good spokesperson (dare I say BDFL?) type role. I'm probably the de facto BDFL these days, backed up by Hanno, Martin, Laurence et al on the technical front, which I think is a good solution too. The vision for the product and the user experience is something that lends itself to a small group, technical leadership within a certain domain is easier to distribute. And I certainly think the structure we have now with release manager (with veto powers ;) + framework team is a really good solution. Even Mozilla is interested in how we do these things, and whether there's something they can learn from it. Alex is doing something at the Plone Symposium East for this: http://weblion.psu.edu/news/alexander-limi-to-open-plone-symposium-east-2009 And Geir is doing a similar talk at the European Symposium. It will also be the main focus of the Plone Conference 2009 talk, so it's good that we have these events a few months earlier to refine and update the message. I think this is a great avenue for communicating the message to the community on where Plone is going. One thing we could probably do better is to communicate this outwards. There's been a resurgence of interest from the press in Plone lately, so I'm hoping to get this stuff published in publications outside of just the Ploniverse too. -- Alexander Limi · http://limi.net ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
