Re: tautology

1999-09-15 Thread Jacques M. Mallah

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Russell Standish wrote:
[JM wrote]
  Obviously you don't understand.  With the ASSA, it is always
  possible to find the conditional probability of an observation given a
  suitable condition.  Choosing a condition and asking a question about it
  changes nothing about the real situation.
  The difference between the ASSA and RSSA really becomes apparent
  when the ASSA predicts nonconservation of measure as a function of time.
  Obviously this does not happen in most everyday, nonfatal situations.
 
 Unless you've changed your spots Jacques, you are starting to become
 incoherent. ASSA is not defined with reference to time, so therefore
 cannot make any statements about it. The RSSA is.

What are you talking about?  I really don't know.
The ASSA states, and always has, that the effective probability of
an observer moment is proportional to it measure.  Time doesn't enter
this definition, in the same way that seeing a color doesn't enter; the
general rule needs no modification to be applied in either case.
It was super-obvious in my post that when I talked about a function
of time above I was referring to the fact that the measure of observer
moments along a computational continuation varies with time.
The RSSA, as far as I can see, is not defined at all.  I have
tried to extropolate the descriptions you guys give into some kind of
coherent position for me to attack, but it seems to me that you often
contradict yourselves while denying any such contradictions.  The role of
time in the RSSA is a case in point.

BTW, while I'm posting I might as well ask, if you guys are so
darn sure consciousness is continuous and that it somehow means it cannot
end, how come you seem to have no problem with birth?  It seems to me that
your arguments would apply equally in that direction.  How come you have
no trouble picturing a boundary for it in the past?  I'm sure you'll come
up with some BS answer but this once again shows the foolishness of your
position.

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Observer-moments

1999-09-15 Thread Higgo James

The concept of the observer-moment is at the heart of much of our thinking.
I believe this is a problem, because the very words 'observer moment' are
self-contradictory.

How can you have an observer (a consciousness) in a moment (a snapshot in
time). Think about it. In which snapshot (universe) did that thought occur?
I am not proposing any solution to this problem - just pointing out that any
edifice built on the idea of an observer-moment is bound to crumble.

James