Re: Travelling to a different universe

2001-12-24 Thread Saibal Mitra




I don't see why one would want to go back, but 
there are still copies left in ordinary universes, there are universes in which 
the probability to win will return to normal after a while. One should thus be 
able to go back using a suicide machine. Also one could use memory erasure to go 
back.

Saibal

John Mikes wrote:

  
  OK, Saibal Mitra, you won. Are you happy 
  now? Can you ever go back?
  John Mikes
  
Suppose that every week I subject myself to a suicide 
experiment. I usea suicide machineto win that weeks lottery. 
After a few years I will have won hundreds of times in succession. 


Now there exists a class of universes, with a very 
low measure, in which the laws of physics aresuch that I am 
guaranteed to win. The probability that I find myself in such a universe 
will have increased substantially aftereach experiment. After a few 
years I will be sure to live in such a universe. It would be easy to check, 
all I would have to do is to buy a ticket and see if I have won without 
using the suicide machine. 

Saibal


Re: Travelling to a different universe

2001-12-24 Thread Saibal Mitra

I had the set of all possible universes in mind. But, as I wrote earlier (in
August), the set of all possible universes is contained in the MWI. The
reason is that there is a nonzero probability that you are be simulated by a
computer. This computer could run any program.

Saibal


Charles Goodwin wrote:

 I can't see this. For one thing, you can't 'travel' to other universes
with
 different laws of physics, at least not according to the MWI. More to the
point,
 assuming quantum suicide works, you will find yourself in one of the sheaf
of
 universes which has split off from the one you started in. This is true
anyway,
 according to MWI, but if you also use quantum suicide you limit your
existence
 to a small subset of that sheaf (the subset in which you won the lottery,
for
 example). Since you only experience universes which are physically
possible
 continuers of the universe you started in, you keep the same laws of
physics.
 So - you can't journey to a universe in which the laws of physics are X by
using
 quantum suicide to select versions of yourself for which X is true; you
can only
 limit your existence to universes in which X happens to be true.

 Always assuming that quantum suicide actually works (as Larry Niven
said
 about the matter transmitter which destroys you at point A and creates a
perfect
 copy at point B, I wouldn't ride in the damn thing).

 Charles

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 Subject: Travelling to a different universe


  Suppose that every week I subject myself to a suicide experiment. I use
a
 suicide machine to win that weeks lottery. After a few years I will have
won
 hundreds of times in succession.
 
  Now there exists a class of universes, with a very  low measure, in
which the
 laws of physics are such that I am guaranteed to win. The probability that
I
 find myself in such a universe will have increased substantially after
each
 experiment. After a few years I will be sure to live in such a universe.
It
 would be easy to check, all I would have to do is to buy a ticket and see
if I
 have won without using the suicide machine.
 
  Saibal
 
 
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Re: Travelling to a different universe

2001-12-24 Thread jamikes



Dear Saibal, you misunderstood my post. I did 
not ask about "technicalities" of your sci-fi, 
I simply suggested that you may not "play" to 
get from here to there, but are "here" by a play 
from "over there". Simply humor, nothing 
else.
John

  
  
  I don't see why one would want to go back, 
  but there are still copies left in ordinary universes, there are universes in 
  which the probability to win will return to normal after a while. One should 
  thus be able to go back using a suicide machine. Also one could use memory 
  erasure to go back.
  
  Saibal
  
  John Mikes wrote:
  
SNIP