Anthropic constraints on dark matter?

2004-08-19 Thread Saibal Mitra



The properties of ordinary matter are strongly 
constrained by the anthropic principle. In soome cases you can even calculate 
non trivial things. E.g. the anthropic reasoning was used by Hoyle 
to prove the existence of an energy level of the carbon-12 nucleus. 

 
Dark matter seems to be much less constrained. We know that 
there must exists a lot of dark matter, and this fact could be an observer 
selection effect. However, since dark matter is believed to have only very weak 
interactions with ordinary matter, the exact properties of dark matter particles 
seem to be irrelevant for observers.
 
 
Some time ago, I noted that annihilations of strongly 
interacting dark matter can  generate large amounts of internal heat inside 
planets. This is interesting, because it is thought that 50% of 
Earth's internal heat is supplied by radioactive decay and 50% comes from 
cooling of the Earth's core. However, if you calculate back in time, the cooling 
rate implies that the Earth's core must have been completely molten about a 
billion years ago.
 
Now, today the inner core is solid (due to the high pressure), 
and this is essential for generating a magnetic field. Old magnetic 
rocks show that the magnetic field did exists more than 3 billion years 
ago. So, the geophysicists have a problem here, and I thought that dark 
matter could be the answer. If dark matter supplies some of the internal heat, 
the earth's core would be cooling less fast and that would solve the 
problem.
 
Anthropically, you could say that without a magnetic field 
life would have had a difficult time on Earth (because of cosmic and solar 
radiation) and we may not have been here. You would still need to show that we 
couldn't have evolved on a larger planet where the heat supplied from dark 
matter annihilations is not necessary.
 
Unfortunately, this idea does not work. Uranus has a very low 
inernal heat production, and this strongly constrains the properties of strongly 
interacting dark matter, making the above scenario impossible. See here 40 
minutes from now:
 
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0408341


Re: Djinni vs. White Rabbit

2004-08-19 Thread Jeff Bone
On Aug 19, 2004, at 2:00 PM, Hal Finney wrote:
It's not clear to me that causality and time are inherent properties
of worlds.  I include worlds which can be thought of as n-dimensional
cells that satisfy some constraints.  Among those constraints could be
ones which induce the effects we identify as causality and time.  For
example, a two-dimensional cell where C[i,j] == C[i-1,j] XOR 
C[i-1,j-1].
This particular definition has the property that C[i,.] depends only on
C[i-1,.], which lets us identify i as time, and introduce a notion of
causality where conditions at time i depend on conditions at time i-1.

But we could just as easily create a cell system where there was no
natural definition of time, where C[i,j] depended on i+1, i-1, j+1
and j-1.  You could still imaging satisfying this via some constraint
satisfaction algorithm.
+1
I'll have to think about the CA implications --- what is a "cell" in 
such a CA, and what is meant by the various "nearness" relationships of 
such cells?  (I'm still processing Wolfram's book, a couple of years 
after reading it the first time. ;-)

I'm just adopting a relatively conventional GR point-of-view here, 
where time is just another direction, albeit one in which travel is (in 
most circumstances, depending on the local differential geometry and 
geometrodynamics) directionally constrained.  (I'm ignoring the 
thermodynamic interpretation of time's arrow, though when you throw 2LT 
into this particular brew things would seem to get rather interesting. 
;-)

Now these jinni worlds are ones which mostly have these conditions we
identify as time and causality, but which locally, or perhaps rarely,
do not satisfy such rules.  Seen in this perspective, there is a full
range of possibilities, from fully causal worlds, to ones which are
99.999% causal and only .0001% noncausal, to ones which are 50-50, to
ones for which no meaningful concept of causality can be defined.
We're begging the question re: causality;  it was perhaps unfortunate 
that I chose to use that word, as it's interpretive rather than 
descriptive in itself.  The argument Boulware's making appears to be 
inherently probabilistic and geometric rather than ontological.  That 
became less clear in my exposition, my bad.

I'll have to look at this.  It doesn't sound quite right.  If
probabilities are non-unitary that violates the fundamental rules of 
QM,
But do they?  This is, I think, perhaps a very interesting and 
pertinent question.  It certainly appears to throw both the QM 
formalism as well as its interpretations into disarray, but I think 
perhaps the result is less than fatal.  One can certainly do statistics 
(and hence QM) with non-unitary probabilities --- the method involves a 
kind of normalizing transformation between different probabilistic 
measures.  (In fact this very issue was dealt with by one of Gott's 
grad students;  the citation escapes me at the moment, but he found 
that you could patch things up by simply supplying a kind of local 
correction coefficient.  I.e., while this appears prohibitive on the 
surface, in fact "fixing it up" isn't all that difficult.  The 
ontological interpretation of the relationships between these patch 
coefficients, OTOH, is IMHO pretty surreal.)

I think you're getting awfully speculative here.
This is a criticism, in *this* group in particular? ;-)  It's 
admittedly speculative.

It sounds like you are suggesting that it would be simpler to suppose
that "all universes exist which contain jinn" than "all universes 
exist".
Not precisely;  I'm suggesting that "simple" is difficult to measure 
when speaking about TOEs.  There might be some measures of "simple" for 
which the above is true;  there are others, e.g. the Champernowne 
machine and so forth, for which it is certainly not.  But Occam's Razor 
isn't much help here by itself.

That doesn't seem at all plausble to me.  My heuristic is that any rule
of the form "all universes exist except X" is going to be more 
complicated
than one of the form "all universes exist".
On the surface, sure.  But consider:  the statement "all universes 
exist" presupposes a definition of universe that it omits.  What is 
meant by "universe" requires an exhaustive definition, and the 
algorithmic hypotheses make varying assumptions about that definition.  
My intuition would be that the most parsimonious definition would be 
the preferable one;  but we don't have any metrics for "parsimony" on 
such definitions.  It could be that definitions that statically embed 
such jinn might be more parsimonious by some measure than other ones;  
the statically-defined jinn might "ground out" the definition and 
permit a higher-order / more abstract / terser "universe generation 
algorithm."  (Think Python vs. its own bytecode.)

Think of it this way:  any formal system has its base axioms.  In this 
context, the "universe generator" is the system in toto;  the jinn 
could form (at least a part of) its axioms.  Or, thinking abou

Re: Djinni vs. White Rabbit

2004-08-19 Thread "Hal Finney"
I'll have to look more closely at those papers, but I have a couple
of quick comments.

Jeff Bone, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes:
> Stumbled across an interesting if tangential paper that has something 
> to say about this.  First some terminology:  let's call events that are 
> highly improbable "white rabbits" and universes in which such events 
> happen frequently (or universes with entirely inscrutable laws of 
> physics) "white rabbit worlds."

I think this is an unfortunate terminology choice, although it is true
that we have occasionally used it here.  The truth is, there is nothing
remarkable about white rabbits.  Our world is full of white rabbits.
Using the term to refer to worlds which are utterly improbable is
confusing.  I think we got into it by reference to Alice in Wonderland,
where the White Rabbit character walks, talks and wears clothes, but
by itself, especially without capitals, the term white rabbit does not
connote improbability.  I would prefer "flying rabbit" or just "magical".

> Let's further adopt the term "djinni" or (to follow Gott's 
> nomenclature) "jinni" to refer to closed time-like (causally cyclic) 
> curves, and "jinn worlds" as worlds (n-dimensional "spacetime" slices 
> of the higher-order spacetime, or rather n-m dimensional phase-space 
> volumes where n is the total dimensionality of the phase space) that 
> contain such causal cycles.

It's not clear to me that causality and time are inherent properties
of worlds.  I include worlds which can be thought of as n-dimensional
cells that satisfy some constraints.  Among those constraints could be
ones which induce the effects we identify as causality and time.  For
example, a two-dimensional cell where C[i,j] == C[i-1,j] XOR C[i-1,j-1].
This particular definition has the property that C[i,.] depends only on
C[i-1,.], which lets us identify i as time, and introduce a notion of
causality where conditions at time i depend on conditions at time i-1.

But we could just as easily create a cell system where there was no
natural definition of time, where C[i,j] depended on i+1, i-1, j+1
and j-1.  You could still imaging satisfying this via some constraint
satisfaction algorithm.

Now these jinni worlds are ones which mostly have these conditions we
identify as time and causality, but which locally, or perhaps rarely,
do not satisfy such rules.  Seen in this perspective, there is a full
range of possibilities, from fully causal worlds, to ones which are
99.999% causal and only .0001% noncausal, to ones which are 50-50, to
ones for which no meaningful concept of causality can be defined.

Your perspective seems to be that those worlds which are very, very
slightly non-causal are particularly interesting.  If all you thought
existed were causal worlds, then opening the door to slight non-causality
may seem like a big step.  But from my perspective, causality is not
that significant, it is merely an accidental property of some worlds,
so it is no big deal to imagine non-causal universes of varying degrees.

[Skipping...]
> David G. Boulware of the University of Washington published this paper 
> in PRD:
>
>   http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9207054
>
> ...in which he studies the behavior of quantum fields in spaces with 
> closed time-like curves.  What he finds is that probabilities are not 
> "conserved", i.e. not unitary, in such spaces.  That is, the Feynman 
> sum-over-histories approach always yields precisely 1 --- except when 
> space contains one or more jinn.  In such cases, there are quantum 
> events that simply cannot occur.

I'll have to look at this.  It doesn't sound quite right.  If
probabilities are non-unitary that violates the fundamental rules of QM,
which would suggest that jinns and QM cannot exist, or in other words,
that if QM describes our universe, we have no jinns.

Now, I do recall some earlier famous papers by Novikov in which he found
consistent solutions for closed timelike paths, which were presumably
unitary.  So I will have to look more closely and see how these results
compare.

> So:  jinn defeat white rabbits.  If any world-line through the phase 
> space is cyclic / allowed to self-intersect, the overall phase-space is 
> constrained, presumably to those set of configurations which are of 
> higher probability.  The very existence of such causal cycles may 
> indeed be --- meta-paradoxically ;-) --- essential in stabilizing the 
> overall structure of the phase space.  It would seem that these cycles 
> act as a kind of strange attractor around which probable configurations 
> (universes) coalesce.

I think you're getting awfully speculative here.  I don't know where
all this is coming from, why you think that jinn would particularly make
unlikely events even less likely to occur.

[skipping]
> So that's all well and good for physics, but what about the more 
> algorithmic cosmologies?  One school of thought regarding the COMP 
> hypothesis is that it is easier to simulate all possible worlds t

Djinni vs. White Rabbit

2004-08-19 Thread Jeff Bone
	
At some point in the past various of us have argued about whether the 
simulation argument and / or the multiple worlds interpretation of 
quantum mechanics implies an "every possible world" (EPW) 
interpretation, i.e. one in which highly improbable events, laws of 
physics, etc. obtain.

Stumbled across an interesting if tangential paper that has something 
to say about this.  First some terminology:  let's call events that are 
highly improbable "white rabbits" and universes in which such events 
happen frequently (or universes with entirely inscrutable laws of 
physics) "white rabbit worlds."

Let's further adopt the term "djinni" or (to follow Gott's 
nomenclature) "jinni" to refer to closed time-like (causally cyclic) 
curves, and "jinn worlds" as worlds (n-dimensional "spacetime" slices 
of the higher-order spacetime, or rather n-m dimensional phase-space 
volumes where n is the total dimensionality of the phase space) that 
contain such causal cycles.  In order to explain what this means:  
these are causally consistent chains of events in which there is no 
ultimate cause, but rather a closed causal chain that traverses both 
forward and backward along the time dimension.  A peculiarity of this 
idea is that, in such a world, information "appears" without cause.  
For example a computer employing a closed time-like curve as a register 
can compute "hard" problems, but when one examines the execution 
history of the computer through time one finds that it never actually 
executes the computation!  Cf.:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0209061
Anyway, "jinni" are these little closed curves of causality in the 
presence of time travel that are consistent but defy common sense.

David G. Boulware of the University of Washington published this paper 
in PRD:

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9207054
...in which he studies the behavior of quantum fields in spaces with 
closed time-like curves.  What he finds is that probabilities are not 
"conserved", i.e. not unitary, in such spaces.  That is, the Feynman 
sum-over-histories approach always yields precisely 1 --- except when 
space contains one or more jinn.  In such cases, there are quantum 
events that simply cannot occur.

So:  jinn defeat white rabbits.  If any world-line through the phase 
space is cyclic / allowed to self-intersect, the overall phase-space is 
constrained, presumably to those set of configurations which are of 
higher probability.  The very existence of such causal cycles may 
indeed be --- meta-paradoxically ;-) --- essential in stabilizing the 
overall structure of the phase space.  It would seem that these cycles 
act as a kind of strange attractor around which probable configurations 
(universes) coalesce.

Speculation:  it may be that through studying the impact of such closed 
time-like curves in various spacetimes that we ultimately reconcile 
Cramer's transactional interpretation (retarded waves moving forward in 
time, advance waves reaching back to "handshake" on each quantum event, 
producing a kind of causal contract) of QM with MWI --- and ultimately 
COMP.  Indeed, each retarded wave-advance wave pair *is* a jinni.  
Cramer doesn't just embrace jinn in his interpretation --- he bases the 
whole idea on their existence!  (FWIW:  this seems to me an 
embarrassment of riches.  Why should *every* quantum event require a 
jinni, when a few --- acting as strange attractors --- might suffice?  
Though admittedly the latter leads to the questions which few, and 
why?)

The implication ala Boulware is that if this is a real physical effect, 
then this provides a kind of global probabilistic censorship that makes 
the world the predictable place that it is!  And --- connectionism --- 
it's rather ironic that Cramer's transactional hypothesis is based in 
part on some of Feynman's own speculation, when Feynman probably didn't 
realize the essential seemingly paradoxical consequences of pairing the 
histories approach with cyclic causality.

So that's all well and good for physics, but what about the more 
algorithmic cosmologies?  One school of thought regarding the COMP 
hypothesis is that it is easier to simulate all possible worlds than it 
is to simulate any subset of them.  (Cf. previously-discussed 
Champernowne machine / "everything" algorithm.)  But what if the 
dynamics of the simulation are such that these jinni exist as a priori 
structural parameters, "roots" if you will of the computation?  In such 
an environment, "every computable universe" is NOT every possible 
universe.

Curiouser and curiouser,
jb