Re: Uploaded Worm Mind
Well as people probably know, I don't believe C. elegans can be conscious in any sense of the word. Hell - I have strong doubts about ants, and they're massively more complex creatures. But it probably won't be long before we simulate a mouse brain in toto - about 2 decades is my guess, maybe even less given enough dollars - then we're definitely in grey philosophical territory :). One intersting test I'd like to see is applying Tononi's integrated information measure to these simple creatures to see if they're producing any integrated information. I suspect Integrated Information is a necessary requirement for conscious, but not so sure about sufficiency. Cheers On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 09:00:14AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 Aug 2015, at 00:43, Jason Resch wrote: > > >I think so. It is at least as conscious as C. Elegans. > > > Assuming that the worm comp substitution level of neuronal > connection is the correct choice. > > Low level animals behavior might rely heavily on smell and other > chemical interaction, and I am not sure what the sensor represents > in the robots represent, as C. Elegans is blind (I think). > > Hard to really conclude it is thinking from the video, and > theoretically, we can't never be sure. It might be a philosophical > worm zombie! > > Bruno > > > > > > >Jason > > > >On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 6:21 PM, meekerdb > >wrote: > >On 8/28/2015 3:00 PM, Jason wrote: > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_i1NKPzbjM > > > >So what do you think? Is it conscious? > > > >Bremt > > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >Groups "Everything List" group. > >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >Groups "Everything List" group. > >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > You don't even quote the entire sentence. > You mean the one where you said " I will no more comment " ? > > > You don't even quote and answer any of the question asked in any of the > last post. > I saw several question marks in the last post but I saw no questions. Ask me any question and I'll give you an answer or say I don't know, but I can't respond to gibberish. > > > your systematic and local opportunistic 1p/3p confusion. > I don't know about " systematic and local opportunistic " but there is not one person on the planet who suffers from 1p/3p confusion , however *EVERYBODY* on the planet suffers from 1 -1p /1p confusion and 3 -1 p/3p confusion, and the most confused of all is Bruno Marchal. > > > Convince just one person (on or out of line) and ask him/her to expose it > here. > Convince the National Academy of Science or the Royal Society that you're not talking nonsense and have them make you a member; and then convince the International Congress of Mathematicians and have them award you the Fields Metal and announce it all here. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again
On 28 Aug 2015, at 19:47, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote: > All here is pure rhetorical tricks which have already been debunked many times, by many people. Bullshit. Sure. > I will no more comment Coward. You don't even quote the entire sentence. You don't even quote and answer any of the question asked in any of the last post. I don't think anyone find sense in your "refutation", and if they did, I invite them to expose and defend it. But it is clear that your ambiguity comes from your systematic and local opportunistic 1p/3p confusion. Convince just one person (on or out of line) and ask him/ her to expose it here. Your own arguments is like in this post, just a sequence of insults, which are not a valid way to clarify a point. Bruno John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Uploaded Worm Mind
On 29 Aug 2015, at 00:43, Jason Resch wrote: I think so. It is at least as conscious as C. Elegans. Assuming that the worm comp substitution level of neuronal connection is the correct choice. Low level animals behavior might rely heavily on smell and other chemical interaction, and I am not sure what the sensor represents in the robots represent, as C. Elegans is blind (I think). Hard to really conclude it is thinking from the video, and theoretically, we can't never be sure. It might be a philosophical worm zombie! Bruno Jason On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 6:21 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 8/28/2015 3:00 PM, Jason wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_i1NKPzbjM So what do you think? Is it conscious? Bremt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
