Re: Could we live forever?

[Brent Meeker]

On 9/15/2015 9:28 AM,:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLS3XGZxi7cBU51zQvc2S6SNKI4mYgO_SO=1=STsTUEOqP-g


Without  a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely 
timid and risk averse.


Brent
"The older you get, the less you have to lose."

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Re: Cryonics in the NYT

[Samiya Illias]

Is the 'belief in an afterlife' natural? Perhaps it's something hard wired 
within, such that even atheists hope to live forever! 

Samiya 

> On 13-Sep-2015, at 11:26 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi  wrote:
> 
> Neuroscience as a new messiah. People's belief in an afterlife will never go 
> away. Especially in our enlightenment age.
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Re: What day is it?

[Jason Resch]

You were told the protocol before you were put to sleep. You know that the
answer cannot be Friday.

Note: the experimenters add that if you guess correctly, they will give you
$100,000. Will you still answer Friday?

Jason

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:41 AM, John Clark  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch  wrote:
>
> ​> ​
>> You will undergo the following experiment:
>> 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a drug and not be
>> woken up until Monday.
>> 2. On monday you will be woken up and asked what day it is. *How do you
>> answer?*
>>
>
> ​I was put to sleep on Friday and subjectively that was less than 2
> seconds ago so I'd say Friday.​
>
>
>> ​> ​
>> 3. You are then given a drug to put you to sleep again and also given a
>> drug that induces amnesia of being woken up at all on Monday.
>> 4. You are woken up on Tuesday, and asked what day it is. *How do you
>> answer?*
>>
>
> ​Friday.​
>
> *​> ​If asked to ascribe a probability to it being Monday when you are
>> woken up, how do you answer on either of the days you are awoken?​ ​*(I
>> am particularly interested in John Clark's answer to the final question)
>>
>
> ​There is a 100% probability that it will seem to be Friday to me. I
> could not say what day of the week (or what year or what century or what
> milenium) it will seem to be to other people unless I knew how long I was
> sleeping.  ​I wouldn't have enough information to even make a guess.
>
>  John K Clark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>> Jason
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Re: Could we live forever?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I am kind of deeply interested in this stuff, because it, at least, is 
supposedly, hopeful. It seems, at this point, that the time for uploading is 
far, far, away. It could emerge out of neuroscience research, and all that, but 
it doesn't feel like there is anything reliable at this point. 
 

 

 

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Re: What day is it?

[John Clark]

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch  wrote:

​> ​
> You will undergo the following experiment:
> 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a drug and not be
> woken up until Monday.
> 2. On monday you will be woken up and asked what day it is. *How do you
> answer?*
>

​I was put to sleep on Friday and subjectively that was less than 2 seconds
ago so I'd say Friday.​


> ​> ​
> 3. You are then given a drug to put you to sleep again and also given a
> drug that induces amnesia of being woken up at all on Monday.
> 4. You are woken up on Tuesday, and asked what day it is. *How do you
> answer?*
>

​Friday.​

*​> ​If asked to ascribe a probability to it being Monday when you are
> woken up, how do you answer on either of the days you are awoken?​ ​*(I
> am particularly interested in John Clark's answer to the final question)
>

​There is a 100% probability that it will seem to be Friday to me. I could
not say what day of the week (or what year or what century or what
milenium) it will seem to be to other people unless I knew how long I was
sleeping.  ​I wouldn't have enough information to even make a guess.

 John K Clark







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Re: Could we live forever?

[John Mikes]

What prompts the question in my mind: what is 'forever'?
Time is a relative coordinate we apply under our own universe - based
circumstances together with space (motion?). In human reasoning (!).

*Forever *brings to mind first: in a *timelessly* momentary fashion,
definitely
not the long-long-long timespan which can be measured. Infinites are tricky.
Forget about the religious etc. connotations of 'burning in hell forever.
Once it started it is over - that is "a" forever. With no 'time'-concept
involved.

The other question is more usual: what should we understand as "to live"?
Do we restrict ourselves to the Earthly carbon-based bio churnings (or some
similar ones more than carbon based), or should it be a mentally connected
existence - complying to our 'matter' concept, or not? Does "change" mean
life (in which case all happenings are included)?

It all depends on the deep ends how we follow the literal intelligence
(meaning: understanding more than the straight vocabulary of our words).
And please, do not ask what do I mean by understanding, or words.

With best regards

JM

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:50 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
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> I am kind of deeply interested in this stuff, because it, at least, is
> supposedly, hopeful. It seems, at this point, that the time for uploading
> is far, far, away. It could emerge out of neuroscience research, and all
> that, but it doesn't feel like there is anything reliable at this point.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:28 pm
> Subject: Could we live forever?
>
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLS3XGZxi7cBU51zQvc2S6SNKI4mYgO_SO=1=STsTUEOqP-g
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Re: What day is it?

[John Mikes]

Hi!
I vote for Sunday (Saturday?) when I don't have to work.
Good dreams
JM

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:41 PM, John Clark  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch  wrote:
>
> ​> ​
>> You will undergo the following experiment:
>> 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a drug and not be
>> woken up until Monday.
>> 2. On monday you will be woken up and asked what day it is. *How do you
>> answer?*
>>
>
> ​I was put to sleep on Friday and subjectively that was less than 2
> seconds ago so I'd say Friday.​
>
>
>> ​> ​
>> 3. You are then given a drug to put you to sleep again and also given a
>> drug that induces amnesia of being woken up at all on Monday.
>> 4. You are woken up on Tuesday, and asked what day it is. *How do you
>> answer?*
>>
>
> ​Friday.​
>
> *​> ​If asked to ascribe a probability to it being Monday when you are
>> woken up, how do you answer on either of the days you are awoken?​ ​*(I
>> am particularly interested in John Clark's answer to the final question)
>>
>
> ​There is a 100% probability that it will seem to be Friday to me. I
> could not say what day of the week (or what year or what century or what
> milenium) it will seem to be to other people unless I knew how long I was
> sleeping.  ​I wouldn't have enough information to even make a guess.
>
>  John K Clark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
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Re: What day is it?

[smitra]

On 12-09-2015 10:26, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 11 Sep 2015, at 18:17, smitra wrote:

It seems to me that COMP should lead to MWI plus a preferred basis  
where the latter derives from well defined computational states.  Many 
of the problems with the MWI should not arise here, they are an  
artifact of the theory never defining what an observation is,  
appealing to ad hoc intuitive notions that are never formulated from  
within the theory itself.


The notion that the environment plays a fundamental role should be  
rejected on physical grounds, it just explains the effective physics  
we observe just like air resistance explains why Newton's laws were  
not all that obvious to people who lived many centuries ago.


The only way you can explain Newton's law to students is by letting  
them contemplate a perfect vacuum. It doesn't matter here how  
physically unrealistic that perfect vacuum is or isn't. The same is  
true for quantum mechanics. You'll never make process if you always  
invoke the environment and environment induced decoherence to try to  
define fundamental concepts, because Nature cannot possibly work  that 
way on the fundamental level.


Instead, within quantum mechanics (i.e. if we forget about the  desire 
to derive QM from COMP or some other deeper theory) defining  
observers as computations,  means that they should be represented as  
operators of the form:


sum over input of |output>