On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:


> In arithmetic all emulation of programs exists,
>

​That is totally unimportant, ​It's not worth arguing about because it
wouldn't change anything even if it were true. But I'll tell you the REALLY
important question, is physics a emulation of arithmetic or is arithmetic a
emulation of physics?
​

> ​>
>>> ​>>​
>>> ​There is word for "100% accurate simulation", we call that an
>>> emulation. The models of RA emulates all computations.
>>
>>

​>>​
>> ​Don't tell me this wonderful news tell INTEL, their stock price will
>> skyrocket! And I own some INTEL stock.
>
>

​> ​
> You have repeated this straw man argument a lot,
>

​
Straw man my ass, if what you say was true the universe would be *RADICALLY*
different from the world we observe, the world where people have to pay
money for INTEL silicon microchips.

​> ​
> You do bad theology, like some fundamentalist. you invent a God
>
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that
one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.

> ​> ​
>  Like I said, you are a fundamentlist Aristotelians.


​And like I said, Aristotle was the worst physicist who ever lived. ​



> ​
>> ​>> ​
>> It will be 100% crap unless the Algol or FORTRAN program is running on a
>> computer made of matter that obeys the laws of physics. ​
>
>
> ​> ​
> False. Physics has no relevance at all here.
> ​ ​
> What I said is true in both the case where the Algol interpreter or
> compiler run
> ​ [...]​
>

​Run? RUN! Without physics nothing is running, your FORTRAN or Algol
program is just static squiggles on a paper doing absolutely  nothing. ​


> ​>
>>> ​>>​
>>> This does not make possible to extract the computations result directly,
>>> as we live in a physical reality, and must implement the computations in
>>> the physical reality to get that effect.
>>
>>
> ​
>> ​>> ​
>> Why on earth would that be?? If the emulation is perfect and physical
>> reality is of only of secondary importance and is being emulated by
>> mathematics then we live in mathematical reality too. So why can't we
>> extract the results of computations directly?
>
> ​> ​
> Because that would be magical.
>

​Indeed it would be but don't blame me for that, you're the one who said
calculations don't need physics not me. ​


> ​> ​
> and should be able to make arbitrarily large calculations instantly.
>
> ​> ​
> Yes, comp predicted that this is possible,
>

​I don't care what "comp" predicts because "comp" is one colossal bore.

  John K Clark

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