Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

[John Clark]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Brent Meeker  wrote:

​> ​
> I don't think it's obvious that we could detect that a probe had been sent
> to a star.
>

​It would be obvious if it was a self replicating von Neumann probe, just
one probe could construct a Dyson Sphere around every star in the Galaxy in
50 million years, and that would be very hard to overlook.


​> ​
> And in any case the observable universe is very much bigger than our
> galaxy.
>

​If ET existed the observable universe would look engineered, and it
doesn't.

John K Clark​

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Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

[Brent Meeker]

I don't think it's obvious that we could detect that a probe had been 
sent to a star.  And in any case the observable universe is very much 
bigger than our galaxy.


Brent

On 1/18/2017 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:

Bruno Marchal wrote:

​>> ​
​Betters
​ ​
pace telescopes
​ would be great but they're not needed for that. If God or ET
existed it would be obvious to a blind man in a fog bank. ​


​> ​
Assuming a small universe, but nothing prevents the existence of
Aliens in far away galaxies,


​
If you're talking about
​ ​
an infinite universe then I agree, but I think it's very unlikely 
space aliens exist in the observable universe because even

​ ​
if we make the ultra conservative assumption that
​ ​
ET can't send space vehicles any faster than we can
​ ​
they could
​still ​
send a von Neumann probe
​ ​
to every star in the Galaxy
​ in less than 50 million years​
, just a blink of an eye in a universe 13.8 billion years old, and 
then you wouldn't need huge telescopes to detect ET, it would be 
obvious to all.


​John K Clark​








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Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

[John Clark]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Bruno Marchal  wrote:

​> ​
> God is the creator (in a large sense of the word) of the universe.
>

​That's exactly the problem, the large sense of the word "creator" is so
large it becomes meaningless. Your God does not ​need to be a person, your
God doesn't need to be intelligent, your God could be anything, even a
random quantum fluctuation could be God. You can redefine a horse's tail to
be a leg and then you can say a horse has 5 legs, but doing so will not
teach you anything about the nature of reality or about horses.  The only
reason you'd make such a redefinition would be you enjoy saying "a horse
has 5 legs", and the only reason you're redefining "God" the way you have
is you enjoy saying "I believe in God".



> ​> ​
> But we know you stop at the step 3 or the main argument,
>

​Yes, that's where you made your blunder, a blunder I've been asking you
for years to fix but you have been unable to. ​


> ​> ​
> you want stick to the Aristotelian theology.
>

​Aristotle was a imbecile and theology has no field of study.  And you've
taught me to hate the ancient Greeks. I'm sick to death of them.

John K Clark  ​




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Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

[John Clark]

Bruno Marchal wrote:

​>> ​
>> ​Betters
>> ​ ​
>> pace telescopes
>> ​ would be great but they're not needed for that. If God or ET existed it
>> would be obvious to a blind man in a fog bank. ​
>>
>
> ​> ​
> Assuming a small universe, but nothing prevents the existence of Aliens in
> far away galaxies,
>

​
If you're talking about
​ ​
an infinite universe then I agree, but I think it's very unlikely space
aliens exist in the observable universe because even
​ ​
if we make the ultra conservative assumption that
​ ​
ET can't send space vehicles any faster than we can
​ ​
they could
​still ​
send a von Neumann probe
​ ​
to every star in the Galaxy
​ in less than 50 million years​
, just a blink of an eye in a universe 13.8 billion years old, and then you
wouldn't need huge telescopes to detect ET, it would be obvious to all.

​John K Clark​

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