Re: The problem with physics
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 4:49 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > * "The dependability of counterfactually definite values is a basic assumption, which, together with "time asymmetry" and "local causality" led to the Bell inequalities. Bell showed that the results of experiments intended to test the idea of hidden variables would be predicted to fall within certain limits based on all three of these assumptions"* >>> >>> >>> *>>> That is false*. >>> >> >> >> So Wikipedia says one thing and world class authority on Quantum >> Mechanics Bruce Kellett says the oposite (see reference below). I will >> let others on this list decide for themselves which one is more likely to >> be correct, >> > > *> I think the real issue here is* [...] > The real issue here is that this is *THE SECOND TIME* in just 4 days where you, Bruce Kellett, claimed to know more about Quantum Mechanics than Wikipedia. In addition to the above I gave *ANOTHER* quote that contradicted something else that you were saying: "*R**ealism is "counterfactual definiteness", the idea that it is possible to meaningfully describe as definite the result of a measurement which, in fact, has not been performed (i.e. the ability to assume the existence of objects, and assign values to their properties, even when they have not been measured)*." You dismissed that fact with a wave of your hand and contemptuously said: *"Gosh, you must have had to troll through an awful lot of stuff on Wikipedia to find that particular definition of realism."* If you are as impervious to the influence of facts as a Trump fan is, and it seems that you are, then I see little reason why I should continue this debate with you. *>When a person deliberately deletes relevant context in order to ridicule > a statement, it is called trolling.* And if I am just a Troll then you are just feeding the Troll by continuing to debate with me. I will end by saying I really think you should follow the advice I gave you in my previous post, although I'm not sure it's anatomically possible. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3B16SbbR_ix0D0AcbUXLRvNY58EkSqyGC5oBcFSXdQ_A%40mail.gmail.com.
Some recent stochastic quantum mechanics
*Stochastic Metric Space and Quantum Mechanics* Yoshimasa Kurihara (Submitted on 13 Dec 2016 (v1), last revised 22 Dec 2017 (this version, v5)) https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.04228 A new idea for the quantization of dynamic systems, as well as space time itself, using a stochastic metric is proposed. The quantum mechanics of a mass point is constructed on a space time manifold using a stochastic metric. A stochastic metric space is, in brief, a metric space whose metric tensor is given stochastically according to some appropriate distribution function. A mathematically consistent model of a space time manifold equipping a stochastic metric is proposed in this report. The quantum theory in the local Minkowski space can be recognized as a classical theory on the stochastic Lorentz-metric-space. A stochastic calculus on the space-time manifold is performed using white noise functional analysis. A path-integral quantization is introduced as a stochastic integration of a function of the action integral, and it is shown that path-integrals on the stochastic metric space are mathematically well-defined for large variety of potential functions. The Newton--Nelson equation of motion can also be obtained from the Newtonian equation of motion on the stochastic metric space. It is also shown that the commutation relation required under the canonical quantization is consistent with the stochastic quantization introduced in this report. The quantum effects of general relativity are also analyzed through natural use of the stochastic metrics. Some example of quantum effects on the universe is discussed. *Stochastic path integrals can be derived like quantum mechanical path integrals* *John J. Vastola, William R. Holmes* (Submitted on 28 Sep 2019) https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.12990 Stochastic mechanics---the study of classical stochastic systems governed by things like master equations and Fokker-Planck equations---exhibits striking mathematical parallels to quantum mechanics. In this article, we make those parallels more transparent by presenting a quantum mechanics-like formalism for deriving a path integral description of systems described by stochastic differential equations. Our formalism expediently recovers the usual path integrals (the Martin-Siggia-Rose-Janssen-De Dominicis and Onsager-Machlup forms) and is flexible enough to account for different variable domains (e.g. real line versus compact interval), stochastic interpretations, arbitrary numbers of variables, explicit time-dependence, dimensionful control parameters, and more. We discuss the implications of our formalism for stochastic biology. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_quantum_mechanics @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ae4a0ad6-b0e9-4543-96a0-f196fd80fb00%40googlegroups.com.
