Re: soul swap

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Nixon's Southern Strategy was rolling up states that LBJ discarded. It needs to 
be remembered that George Corely Wallace was a Democrat. Beyond this was the 
refusal of Johnson and his generals to either fight the war in Vietnam, or end 
it? It was a badly pursued war, by Johnson and Westmoreland. They were 
constrained by the fear that China would use fission (1964) and fusion (1967) 
in "defense" of North Vietnam. The US policy until Nixon (secret plan to end 
the war!) was to send 500k troops in and take fire, or send them to retake 
hills which take hills, then go away, and the VC and the North troops will 
simply go back and set up shop. This, was the conduct of the war from the 
people who fought in WW2 (The Greatest Generation), sit there and do nothing. 
So, southern whites got Drafted along with southern blacks and The War was the 
biggest feature and not the Southern Strategy. Nixon was such a paranoid, he 
pissed away this 1972 win using The Plumbers to bug the then hopeless dems. 
Ancient History. The Draft was the killer of both parties, back then, because 
if you're going to fight a war, fight it. Since then, the lesson has not been 
learned by grads of West Point. 

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Subject: Re: soul swap



On 8/5/2020 5:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> agree with that.  His election was a surprise, but there is a clear 
>> path leading to it, starting from Nixon's Southern Strategy
>
>
> What has been Nixon’s Southern Strategy? Was it anti-black? I 
> suspected Nixon to be a crook, but I am not informed that he was a 
> racist, well, … I do remember some antisémite statements though. Nixon 
> was a crook, but quite an amateur one compared to Trump. At least 
> Nixon was still able to resign… Trump will not resign easily, even 
> after the election. If Biden win, he might just say “fake news” and 
> send police for those who doubt this…

The Southern Strategy was to take advantage of reaction against Lyndon 
Johnson's civil rights act and the voting act.  The Republican 
strategists saw that by supporting "states rights" and "anti-busing" and 
"anti-abortion" they could draw off the white Democratic support in the 
southern states and in the Catholic labor class.  It was very 
successful.  Before Nixon the southern states were know as "the solid 
south", meaning solidly Democratic.   This dated back to a southern 
reaction against Republican carpetbaggers after the Civil War.  What it 
showed was that racism was still a strong political motivator in 1968.  
In only two election cycles the southern states switched from Democratic 
to Republican.

Brent


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Re: soul swap

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 8/5/2020 5:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
agree with that.  His election was a surprise, but there is a clear 
path leading to it, starting from Nixon's Southern Strategy



What has been Nixon’s Southern Strategy? Was it anti-black? I 
suspected Nixon to be a crook, but I am not informed that he was a 
racist, well, … I do remember some antisémite statements though. Nixon 
was a crook, but quite an amateur one compared to Trump. At least 
Nixon was still able to resign… Trump will not resign easily, even 
after the election. If Biden win, he might just say “fake news” and 
send police for those who doubt this…


The Southern Strategy was to take advantage of reaction against Lyndon 
Johnson's civil rights act and the voting act.  The Republican 
strategists saw that by supporting "states rights" and "anti-busing" and 
"anti-abortion" they could draw off the white Democratic support in the 
southern states and in the Catholic labor class.  It was very 
successful.  Before Nixon the southern states were know as "the solid 
south", meaning solidly Democratic.   This dated back to a southern 
reaction against Republican carpetbaggers after the Civil War.  What it 
showed was that racism was still a strong political motivator in 1968.  
In only two election cycles the southern states switched from Democratic 
to Republican.


Brent


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Wolfram Model (New Foundations of Mathematics and Physics)

[Philip Thrift]

(HyPE = Hypergraph Programming Engine ?)

https://www.wolframphysics.org/bulletins/2020/08/a-candidate-geometrical-formalism-for-the-foundations-of-mathematics-and-physics/
Formal Correspondences between Homotopy Type Theory and the Wolfram Model



cf.
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2020/07/a-burst-of-physics-progress-at-the-2020-wolfram-summer-school/

@philipthrift 

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Re: soul swap

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 4 Aug 2020, at 23:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2020 9:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2020, at 16:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/31/2020 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
 
 Equality means, at least in my mind in this discussion, equality of right. 
 It is the idea that everyone obeys to the law, especially at the top who 
 has to give the example. It means same amount of money for the same amount 
 of work, independently of the genre, colour skin, etc.
 
 It does not mean “freedom of religion” which is an apparently nice idea, 
 but in practice it is the legalisation of moral harassment, the 
 legalisation of lies, etc. In fact, freedom of religion is almost the same 
 as the interdiction to use reason in theology, and is the main trick of 
 most tyrants and pressure groups.
 
 Equality of right is what should normally prevent the “extremely equal” 
 setting, when we are asked to forget how different we really are.
>>> 
>>> As I would expect of a logician, you avoid the operational meanings. 
>> 
>> I am not sure. Same salary, same laws, same treatment, same obligation 
>> (modulo the biological differences of course), all this seems rather 
>> operational to me. You forget that my expertise in logic is in computer 
>> science, where operational semantics abound.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> A right, must be something one has the power to do or refrain from doing, 
>>> and society defends this choice.
>> 
>> OK.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>   So it is quite different from "everyone obeys the same law" and "gets the 
>>> same pay for the same amount of work”. 
>> 
>> Honestly, you loss me. In a democratic society, we vote for laws as a mean 
>> to protect our right and agreed on obligation. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> In many cases it is a freedom from laws.
>> 
>> What?
>> 
>> The laws, made by people representing the collectivity, in a normal healthy 
>> state (no leaks in the separated powers) provides the freedom from the laws 
>> of the sternest and more violent.
> 
> You must not be familiar with laws in theocratic states, especially some 
> Islamic states. 

I was talking about “normal healthy *democratic* state, with religion:science 
completely separated from the state.

A theocratic state in your sense is not related to this. If theocratic state 
can only exist when theology has been taken out of science. That was the goal. 
That was the reason why christians, after 529 have persecuted the scientist, 
especially the theologian (called “pagan”, “heretic”, “atheists”, etc.).




> The majority in a society does not necessarily tolerate any deviation from 
> what it considers a "health state”. 

But it does, with time, unless the state is so unhealthy that its democratic 
rules are no more followed.

By “healthy democracy" I meant a democracy where the threshold of dishonesty is 
low. 




> Almost all states in the U.S. used to have laws against homosexual relations…

But people evolved, and in a democracy, enough people can change their mind, 
and the laws.



> and even against a lot of heterosexual acts.  Most in the south had laws 
> against miscegenation.  And these were democratically supported by wide 
> majorities.


That is the intrinsic weakness of democracies, or even anything alive. It can 
die, by lack of vigilance, stubborn decision, war, natural disasters, etc.

Sometimes people kill a democracy by voting for a “want-to-be-dictator”, by his 
demagogy, or by a lack of education etc.

There are no universal medication against this, but we can learn by our errors, 
propose new laws, etc.




>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>   I think that was the great advance of the Enlightenment, the rejection of 
>>> the medieval, theocratic idea that there was a only one (holy) way to do 
>>> everything and the idea of sin extended into every facet of life, even into 
>>> thought. 
>> 
>> It is the understanding of science, or of what science is.
>> 
>> But unfortunately the “theocratic” stupidity, that you allude to, is still 
>> tolerated in theology, which in that case makes suspect that people have not 
>> yet really understood what science is, probably to be able to keep the 
>> illusion of protect themselves through lies or fake knowledge.
>> 
>> The Ayatollah, the popes, the bishops, the priest, the Brothers, and the 
>> literary philosophers can thank the gnostic atheists to defend their job and 
>> curriculum.
>> 
>> The motto is “you will not apply reason in the field made of what we cannot 
>> talk about”.
>> 
>> And that seems reasonable, but it all depends of what is the theory that you 
>> postulate. Wit mechanism, science can study its limitation, and can observe 
>> structure  beyond its means of justification, like the degrees of 
>> unsolvability. With Mechanism, mathematical logic and mathematics becomes 
>> the Hubb

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

[Lawrence Crowell]

The Einstein field equations are 10 in number and they describe the 
dynamics of a spatial surface, and its conjugate momentum metric, for a 
total of 6 variables. The coordinate fixing condition, analogous to a gauge 
condition, are 4 additional equations that fix the initial spatial surface. 

This is different from geodesics, which correspond to the geodesic motion 
or separation of two masses. 

LC

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 2:13:10 PM UTC-5 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe this will clear things up. EE has 10 independent equations, so one 
> needs 10 initial conditions to define the path of a test particle in 
> spacetime. What are they, and what would distinguish a geodesic from a 
> non-geodesic solution? TIA, AG
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:29:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>>
>> You can choose coordinates so that a particular geodesic is a coordinate 
>> axis. 
>>
>> Brent 
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 3:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: 
>> > What bothers me about this is that the spatial coordinates generally 
>> > depend on each other, and time. In this situation will the geodesic 
>> > equations yield a solution where the spatial coordinates remain fixed? 
>> AG 
>>
>>

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