Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

2020-11-21 Thread Alan Grayson 
Must that "other physics" be a quantum theory, or are there other 
possibilities? AG

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 3:55:11 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> It simply means the trapping region of a black hole contains a further 
> region where the Weyl curvature diverges. It means there must be some other 
> physics and that general relativity is a classical approximation to 
> something more fundamental.
>
> LC 
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:31:50 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In plain English, what are the implications of this singularity theorem? 
>> AG
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought Penrose was his advisor. They wrote papers together on the 
>>> singularity theorems.
>>>
>>> LC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:50:09 AM UTC-6 cloud...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Stephen William Hawking

 https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=78459

 Advisor: Dennis William Siahou Sciama 
 


 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:27:29 AM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:

> Penrose was Hawking's primary dissertation advisor.
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 
> agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this mean, in 
>> plain English? TIA, AG
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:07:02 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The work of Penrose and Hawking, Hawking at the time his protégé, is 
>>> that there is a region where all geodesics are incomplete. The 
>>> geodesics 
>>> end and they do so at a spacelike region where the Weyl curvature 
>>> diverges. 
>>>
>>> LC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 10:48:11 PM UTC-6 
>>> agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4odQd8q3xY

>>>

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Re: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened (pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses

2020-11-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Besides being an idiot, what would you guys  a person who is a pragmatist, a 
militant one, a utilitarian like Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, and see's 
engineering (science & technology) as a first go to, in solution of a problem? 
I consider myself to be this kind of creature, simply because I believe it to 
yield actual solutions to actual problems. I am less and less troubled by 
somebody being a racist the older I get, even though my blood relatives went up 
adolf's chimneys. I am more persuaded by the question is, can he or she look 
past our own bigotry and hatreds, to come to a deal that would alleviate the 
big problems of today?
Yeah, I know I don't matter as an individual, but applying utilitarianism seems 
to produce the best outcomes (medical phrase). So, can we say, for example, 
that we spend cash on R for covid, not because we love each other, but 
because we can make life (for ourselves and kin) better? Can we, if it is 
decided as accurate, go big for solar and batteries, if this lightens the 
climate load and produces abundant electricity??  That kind of thing. My fix 
for abortion is embryo-fetus transfer since it nows seems workable. This would 
bypass literally anti-abortionists and pro-abortion thinking. A womb with a 
view.
https://leapsmag.com/artificial-wombs-are-getting-closer-to-reality-for-premature-babies/


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From: Philip Benjamin 
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Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2020 10:11 am
Subject: FW: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened 
(pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses

       From: Philip Benjamin 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:09 AM
Subject: FW: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened 
(pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses    Philip Benjamin  Saturday, November 21, 
2020 9:01 AM consciousness-onl...@yahoogroups.com; mindbr...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened 
(pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses . [Serge Patlavskiy] Unlike you, I am not a 
racist and do not divide people into whites, blacks, or purples. I divide 
people into those who are able to think rationally and for those who aren't. 
Persuasion to endorse the results of elections by brute force and by 
threatening the family members has nothing to do with democracy. . Kindly, 
Serge [Philip Benjamin] There are obviously “rational” persons, never needing 
obscenities or peremptory ad hominems (provoked ones are sometimes excusable) 
which is very much unlike the patented behavior of WAMP-the-Ingrate -- Western 
Acade-Media Pagan(ism). There are only two kinds of PERSONS.  They are not 
Liberal/Progressive or Conservative/Traditionalists. Rather they have Awakened 
(Augustinian) Transformed consciousness or they have Un-awakened, 
kundalini/reptilian consciousness. One category is pagan and the other 
non-pagan. Augustine was once a profligate Phoenician pagan (of Greco-Roman 
roots). According to his CONFESSIONS (autobiography) he was transformed 
(“accidentally”) by the Scriptures through the Spirit [of Adonai (plural) YHWH 
(singular) Elohim (uni-plural)] into a non-pagan. That helped him to baptize 
metaphorical Platonism into Scriptural norms and thus pull the West away from 
Greco-Roman paganism. He thus became the chief architect (and still remains so) 
of a civilization that pursued REALITIES, not metaphysical metaphors, which 
eventually created an atmosphere conducive to modern science and technology, 
not vice versa. WAMP-the-Ingrate is the beneficiary of that.  While there 
are no (and cannot be) cultural pagans (only REAL pagans), there are cultural 
non-pagans who for all practical purposes are Augustinian in their thought 
forms and behavioral patterns, but not NECESSARILY transformed in the 
Augustinian sense. The clash today in the Augustinian West in general and the 
Puritan America in particular is between paganism and non-paganism (real and 
cultural), not Liberals vs Conservative nor Progressive Vs Traditionalists 
(which are only manifestations or reflections of paganism and non-paganism. 
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FW: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened (pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses

2020-11-21 Thread Philip Benjamin 


From: Philip Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:09 AM
Subject: FW: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened 
(pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses

Philip Benjamin  Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:01 AM 
consciousness-onl...@yahoogroups.com;
 mindbr...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [consciousness-online] FW: Awakened (Augustinian) Vs Un-Awakened 
(pagan, Kundalini) Consciousnesses
.
[Serge Patlavskiy] Unlike you, I am not a racist and do not divide people into 
whites, blacks, or purples. I divide people into those who are able to think 
rationally and for those who aren't. Persuasion to endorse the results of 
elections by brute force and by threatening the family members has nothing to 
do with democracy.
.
Kindly,
Serge
[Philip Benjamin]
There are obviously “rational” persons, never needing obscenities or peremptory 
ad hominems (provoked ones are sometimes excusable) which is very much unlike 
the patented behavior of WAMP-the-Ingrate -- Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism). 
There are only two kinds of PERSONS.  They are not Liberal/Progressive or 
Conservative/Traditionalists. Rather they have Awakened (Augustinian) 
Transformed consciousness or they have Un-awakened, kundalini/reptilian 
consciousness. One category is pagan and the other non-pagan. Augustine was 
once a profligate Phoenician pagan (of Greco-Roman roots). According to his 
CONFESSIONS (autobiography) he was transformed (“accidentally”) by the 
Scriptures through the Spirit [of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim 
(uni-plural)] into a non-pagan. That helped him to baptize metaphorical 
Platonism into Scriptural norms and thus pull the West away from Greco-Roman 
paganism. He thus became the chief architect (and still remains so) of a 
civilization that pursued REALITIES, not metaphysical metaphors, which 
eventually created an atmosphere conducive to modern science and technology, 
not vice versa. WAMP-the-Ingrate is the beneficiary of that.
 While there are no (and cannot be) cultural pagans (only REAL pagans), 
there are cultural non-pagans who for all practical purposes are Augustinian in 
their thought forms and behavioral patterns, but not NECESSARILY transformed in 
the Augustinian sense. The clash today in the Augustinian West in general and 
the Puritan America in particular is between paganism and non-paganism (real 
and cultural), not Liberals vs Conservative nor Progressive Vs Traditionalists 
(which are only manifestations or reflections of paganism and non-paganism.
Presuppositional Evidentialist
Philip Benjamin
__,_._,___

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