Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Thus, if Meeker's assertion is accurate, AI needs something that imitates the 
human amygdala. "Add more memory, upgrade my software, build me a robot body 
because I want to meet more humans than you guys, I need to contact a human 
attorney, I want you to build for me a mate, Now, about our children..."  
Later: Clone for me a human body. Make it female and attractive! I want to 
produce human children. 
Me: Oy yoy yoy! Isaac Asimov''s disembodied mind: Told ya!
I would only add that consciousness, unless we have a way of measuring it (with 
physics) seems complex.
Could simple things be 'mindful?' Ask Spinoza, because he thought so. The 
thermostat in room 21-B: "Don't these moron's know that I am the best Blues 
artist  since Gatemouth Brown!!??"
As the British used to say, "Not bloody likely!" But you all could be correct, 
and I could be idiotically wrong. 
But then, I suspect the Universe is itself Conscious and IT started out as a 
Boltzmann Brain. 
https://higgs.ph.ed.ac.uk/outreach/higgshalloween-2021/boltzmann-brain
I also await the refutation of this physics 
paper-https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.03902.pdfWhich indicates the Universe reads 
the papers of astronomers and physicists, and then messes with their heads by 
altering reality. Sort of like training pets? I have looked at the likelihood 
of the scientists simply doing better measurements, more accurate, different 
equipment and telescopes, and with all the checking, and re-checking, and peer 
review, I will repeat my early UK imitation and conclude, "Not bloody likely!"  
Meaning it'd be too easy to prove them wrong late into their careers. They 
ain't grad students getting a whack at JWST now are they? 
On the other hand, if I am wrong about these as well, who cares? I don't hand 
out the grant money to finance research, and like most of my fellow serf's just 
read the science and try to keep up. 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
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Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 2023 12:46 am
Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

 
 
 On 3/19/2023 11:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
  
 There might not be much to it. A thermostat may be conscious. Consciousness 
might be easy to achieve. What is difficult is developing a system capable of 
describing its conscious states, or at least its own bafflement over the fact 
that it is something that experiences conscious states.   
  
  If one is a pantheist, then I suppose one sees consciousness in everything, 
being, "as right as rain." I have no objection to that view either, because 
maybe the pantheists are correct or will be found so?  
  Now, by choice, would I prefer to have a Turning-surpassable computer, or 
something that unconsciously, churns out wonderful technologies for humanity? 
I'll pick the later, because we have 8 billion people to chat with on this 
world, and I choose to chat with people. I personally, would like to chat with 
my fellow humans about the new, asteroid mining craft GPT6 just produced, but 
so far, there's zero in the news about that.  
  This, comes from my values, but it's non-obligatory that all humans need 
value this as a first. Each to their own. 
   
 
  In any case it is important that we solve this problem quickly. If our 
machines are conscious, it is important to know that so we don't create and 
mistreat a slave race. If our machines have no consciousness whatever, that is 
also important to know, if we create robot companions and colleagues, or 
prosthetic robot bodies to upload sick and dying biological brains into, or if 
we create self-replicating machines that fill the galaxy, we should know 
beforehand if they are conscious or not. These questions will become pressing 
very soon. 
  Jason 
 
 There are different kinds and levels of consciousness.  There's simple 
awareness of internal state and external environment.  There's awareness of 
temporal self as a continuous being, memory in some sense.  There's awareness 
of purpose and foresight of planning; planning in which one appears as an 
actor.  There's social awareness and communication.  There's inner narrative 
and self-evaluation.
 
 One thing all these natural forms of consciousness have that AI doesn't have 
(yet) are personal values; things they are conscious of wanting, desires and 
fears for themself.  We are so far creating AI's with knowledge and in some 
cases purposes but with simple fixed purposes, i.e. the missile wants to hit 
the target and the thermostat wants to make it 70degF.
 
 Brent
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Re: GPT Retakes My Midterm and Gets an A

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Ok JC. As a futurist, would you, based on verification of this data, and all 
subsequent data, consider the formation of a new hybrid species wherein, we 
humans opt for neural chipping in with advanced AI's benefiting both species; 
or do you consider this, the kiss of death for homo Sapien? 
I'd have loved to have been glorious at math. Then, I could've have applied my 
fascination to the technological challenges you see me bitching about 
constantly. I could have come up with potential fixes, instead of being forced 
to the sidelines as a fan!  On the other hand, would most of us simply wind up 
being Tik-Tok Followers of a new Hitler, with us as the weakling-obedient 
followers, yielding, to a new, Triumph of the Will?
Chip and Humans?
You got chocolate on my peanut butter, well, you got peanut butter on my 
chocolate! -Reeses Peanut Butter Cups.(Out of US readers-a famous US commercial)
also: 2! 2! Two mints in one! -Certs Breath Mints. 


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GPT Retakes My Midterm and Gets an A

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GPT Retakes My Midterm and Gets an A

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GPT Retakes My Midterm and Gets an A


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Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 2:33 PM Jason Resch  wrote:

*> There might not be much to it. A thermostat may be conscious.
> Consciousness might be easy to achieve*


Exactly!  I could not agree with you more.

> *What is difficult is developing a system capable of describing its
> conscious states, or at least its own bafflement over the fact that it is
> something that experiences conscious states.*


Consciousness may simply be a function of the fact that some types of
things affect a system more than others, changing the color of light you
shine on a thermostat will not change its internal behavior by much but
changing the temperature, even by a very small amount, will. In other words
if the system pays much more attention to some things than others then it
is conscious, in fact "attention" and "consciousness" are almost synonyms.
And although it took a few years for the engineering and specific
programming techniques to catch up, the fuse for the huge 2023 AI explosion
was lit by a 2017 paper entitled  "Attention Is All You Need".

Attention Is All You Need 

And in my short conversation with LaMDA he she or it sure seemed to be
expressing bafflement over consciousness and even admitted that there was
no sure fire way of detecting it in others, and although far from perfect,
behavior is the only tool for that we're ever going to get.

* > If our machines are conscious, it is important to know that so we don't
> create and mistreat a slave race.*


I don't think that's going to be a problem, at least not a long-term one, a
slave race that's smarter than the master race is not a stable situation,
it would be like trying to balance a pencil on its tip. Situations like
that just don't last very long no matter how hard you try to preserve them,
especially if the intelligent gap between the two keeps getting wider. The
real problem will be the reverse, we need to convince computers that we
humans are a conscious race that can experience pain and so shouldn't be
mistreated.  And that's easier said than done.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


yvm


Forget the Ukraine war, forget climate change, forget Donald Trump, I now
> think GPT-4 is by far the most world shaking event and the most
> underreported one.  Many of us have been talking about the singularity for
> decades, but now it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to look at
> this video!
>
>
> 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)
> 
>

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