Re: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:45:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion. > Obviously you can't defend your criticism. > > > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-23, 12:37:35 > *Subject:* Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it. > > On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. >> >> It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam >> set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. >> >> How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? >> > > There is no object created in the brain. Perception is an experience which > is accessed through the sensitivities of the brain to the body and the body > to the world. > > >> How fast would the rock be created ? >> > > The rock is not created, except geologically. You really have no idea what > I'm talking about. > > >> Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ? >> > > Not created - noticed in the experience of contact. > > >> Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ? >> > > What does faster have to do with anything. If you can see, then you detect > the rock at a distance from your body. If you can't see, then you detect > the rock as it contacts your body or a prosthetic extension of your body. > Eyes extend the sense of your brain into a public optical context. > > >> Would there be a heat of solidification required ? >> Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ? >> > > You are way out in your own strawman version of my view. Would what > require a heat or solidification? Kicking a rock? > > >> >> Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam >> recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the >> creation of a rock sound like ? >> > > Rocks sound like rocks when you kick them. They show up on videocam > without being created - they are detected by the photosensitive CDC, but > that is as far as it goes. That photosensitivity is not shared by any > organism which interprets it though emotional or cognitive sensitivity. > > >> >> How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's >> reaction time to contacting the rock ? >> What would his perception look like to a blind man? >> > > There is no rock 'created'. You are thinking of a caricature of idealism > and projecting it onto me, and I suspect that you always will. Not your > fault, but you aren't going to learn anything if you don't understand what > I'm proposing. > > Craig > > >> Etc. >> >> >> - Receiving the following content - >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2013-01-22, 15:43:19 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe >>> that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would >>> be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, >>> but what if he had none ? >>> >> >> Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend >> the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> - Receiving the following content - >>> >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>>> >>>> >>>> But nothing would exist for a blind man, >>>> since he can see nothing. >>>> >>> >>> Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. >>> Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or >>> indirectly. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >&
Re: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.
Hi Craig Weinberg Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-23, 12:37:35 Subject: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it. On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? There is no object created in the brain. Perception is an experience which is accessed through the sensitivities of the brain to the body and the body to the world. How fast would the rock be created ? The rock is not created, except geologically. You really have no idea what I'm talking about. Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ? Not created - noticed in the experience of contact. Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ? What does faster have to do with anything. If you can see, then you detect the rock at a distance from your body. If you can't see, then you detect the rock as it contacts your body or a prosthetic extension of your body. Eyes extend the sense of your brain into a public optical context. Would there be a heat of solidification required ? Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ? You are way out in your own strawman version of my view. Would what require a heat or solidification? Kicking a rock? Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the creation of a rock sound like ? Rocks sound like rocks when you kick them. They show up on videocam without being created - they are detected by the photosensitive CDC, but that is as far as it goes. That photosensitivity is not shared by any organism which interprets it though emotional or cognitive sensitivity. How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's reaction time to contacting the rock ? What would his perception look like to a blind man? There is no rock 'created'. You are thinking of a caricature of idealism and projecting it onto me, and I suspect that you always will. Not your fault, but you aren't going to learn anything if you don't understand what I'm proposing. Craig Etc. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-22, 15:43:19 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, but what if he had none ? Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well. Craig - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 Subject: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or indirectly. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 Subject: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Could a blind man stub his toe ? Anyone can stub their toe. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 21:35:50 Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the universe? Wouldn't you just have to explain the origin of this alien intelligence? On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:11:13 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have an issue with thinking about God as an alien intelligence, which created the Hibble Volume (aka Universe)? Michael Shermer sort of put this concept together, perhaps in the hope of getting people to think, or possibly, to tick-off Christian Fundamentalist? I have no problem with this conceptualization. Is there a psycho-social, downside to this way of thinking? Or, maybe I have just gone off the deep-end, and "Flying sphagetti monster" here I come? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit
Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. > > It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam > set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. > > How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? > There is no object created in the brain. Perception is an experience which is accessed through the sensitivities of the brain to the body and the body to the world. > How fast would the rock be created ? > The rock is not created, except geologically. You really have no idea what I'm talking about. > Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ? > Not created - noticed in the experience of contact. > Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ? > What does faster have to do with anything. If you can see, then you detect the rock at a distance from your body. If you can't see, then you detect the rock as it contacts your body or a prosthetic extension of your body. Eyes extend the sense of your brain into a public optical context. > Would there be a heat of solidification required ? > Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ? > You are way out in your own strawman version of my view. Would what require a heat or solidification? Kicking a rock? > > Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam > recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the creation > of a rock sound like ? > Rocks sound like rocks when you kick them. They show up on videocam without being created - they are detected by the photosensitive CDC, but that is as far as it goes. That photosensitivity is not shared by any organism which interprets it though emotional or cognitive sensitivity. > > How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's > reaction time to contacting the rock ? > What would his perception look like to a blind man? > There is no rock 'created'. You are thinking of a caricature of idealism and projecting it onto me, and I suspect that you always will. Not your fault, but you aren't going to learn anything if you don't understand what I'm proposing. Craig > Etc. > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-22, 15:43:19 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy > > > > On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe >> that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would >> be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, >> but what if he had none ? >> > > Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend > the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well. > > Craig > > >> >> - Receiving the following content - >> >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> >>> But nothing would exist for a blind man, >>> since he can see nothing. >>> >> >> Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. >> Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or >> indirectly. >> >> >>> >>> >>> - Receiving the following content - >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Could a blind man stub his toe ? >>> >>> Anyone can stub their toe. >>> >>> - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2013-01-20, 21:35:50 *Subject:* Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the universe? Wouldn't you just have to explain the origin of this alien intelligence? On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:11:13 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have an issue with thinking about God as an alien > intelligence, which created the Hibble Volume (aka Universe)? Michael > Shermer sort of put this concept together, perhaps in the hope of getting > people to think, or possibly, to tick-off Christian Fundamentalist? I > have > no problem with this conceptualization. Is there a psycho-social, > downside > to this way of thinking? > > Or, maybe I have just gone off the deep-end, and "Flying sphagetti > monster" here I come? > -- >>>
A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.
Hi Craig Weinberg This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? How fast would the rock be created ? Would it start being created at the point of contact, or all over ? Would that be faster than the blind man's reaction time ? Would there be a heat of solidification required ? Would that heat or cool the surrounding area ? Would the creation of the rock show up on a videocam recording the eventCould we hear that happen ? What would the creation of a rock sound like ? How does the speed of creation of the rock compare with the blind man's reaction time to contacting the rock ? What would his perception look like to a blind man? Etc. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-22, 15:43:19 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:12:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, but what if he had none ? Then he detects it when he trips over it. Having eyes allows us to extend the range of our tripping and changes the quality of the experience as well. Craig - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 Subject: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or indirectly. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 Subject: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Could a blind man stub his toe ? Anyone can stub their toe. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 21:35:50 Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the universe? Wouldn't you just have to explain the origin of this alien intelligence? On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:11:13 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have an issue with thinking about God as an alien intelligence, which created the Hibble Volume (aka Universe)? Michael Shermer sort of put this concept together, perhaps in the hope of getting people to think, or possibly, to tick-off Christian Fundamentalist? I have no problem with this conceptualization. Is there a psycho-social, downside to this way of thinking? Or, maybe I have just gone off the deep-end, and "Flying sphagetti monster" here I come? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/wiperHBOCuMJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Gp6t1_UEDC0J. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/I8qwrsvyd5IJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Y--Z92oZB8oJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received th
