A random collection of questions about info-cosmology

2003-11-02 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Some of these questions may be profound, and some silly. (In fact, they
may be sorted in order of profound to silly.) My education is spotty
in these areas. I'm most interested in specific references that help 
answer (or destroy)
these questions.

1. What test could determine if a computational hypothesis holds?

2. Is it enough that a theory be elegant and explain all the known 
physics observations,
or does the test of the theory also have to rule out all competing 
theories, or at least force
all known competing theories to add ugly complex terms to themselves to 
continue to work?

3. Is it not true that the kind of computation that computes the 
universe or multiverse
must be an energy-free computation, because energy itself is INSIDE the 
computed
universe, and it would be paradoxical if it also had to be OUTSIDE.

4. What range of energy regimes and physical laws are required to 
produce spontaneous
order where the order retains the dynamism required for life. (e.g. as 
opposed to producing
one big, boring crystal.)

5. Do these "special" energy regimes and physical law sets NECESSARILY 
produce
spontaneous order with the required dynamism?

6. Why does spontaneous order emerge in these energy/law regimes?

7. If we were in a "possible world" where thermodynamics ran backwards 
(entropy decreased),
would the time-perception of observers within that world also run 
backwards? Would these
backwards worlds (as far as classical physical observations go, anyway) 
thus be equivalent
to and theoretically equatable with the corresponding possible world 
which was the same except
that thermodynamics runs forwards as we are used to?

8. What is the significance of the fact that observers like ourselves 
(possibly with some notion of
free will) are separated in space and can only communicate / cooperate 
with each other at the
speed of light. They cannot interfere with some decisions that the other 
makes, because the other
has already made the decision before a lightspeed communication can tell 
them or force them
to stop. Imagine Jane on Venus and Joe on Mars getting into an argument. 
Immediately after
receiving Joe's last communication (which he sent an hour ago), Jane 
decides to detonate her
solar-system bomb in frustration and spite. Nothing Joe can say or do 
can stop her, because
it will take two hours for him to know she's about to push the button, 
and communicate his
desperate and well-crafted plea for forgiveness. The idea of 
FUNDAMENTALLY independent
decision makers "co-existing" seems interesting. Open ended question. 
It's just as if Joe and
Jane lived at different times. (And yet they CAN communicate with each 
other, just slowly. Hmmm)






Re: A random collection of questions about info-cosmology

2003-11-02 Thread Hal Finney
Eric Hawthorne, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes some great and thought-provoking
questions, to which I can offer only partial answers.

> 1. What test could determine if a computational hypothesis holds?

I assume in the context of this list you mean some version of the
hypothesis that the universe we live in is actually the execution of a
computer program.  List member Jacques Mallah argued that this question
is not falsifiable in http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m1951.html.
He suggests that any observation is consistent with the hypothesis.

> 2. Is it enough that a theory be elegant and explain all the known physics
> observations, or does the test of the theory also have to rule out all
> competing theories, or at least force all known competing theories to
> add ugly complex terms to themselves to continue to work?

Most people accept the principle of Occam's Razor, so that the simplest
successful theory will be accepted.  Therefore the "ugly complex terms"
necessary for other theories to work would disqualify them.

> 3. Is it not true that the kind of computation that computes the universe
> or multiverse must be an energy-free computation, because energy itself
> is INSIDE the computed universe, and it would be paradoxical if it also
> had to be OUTSIDE.

That makes sense.  Energy as we know it is a conserved quantity, and
our deepest theories relate it to a symmetry of the mathematics that
appears to describe the universe.  Other universes would have different
symmetries, or none at all, and the putative computation that creates
the universe would be entirely outside of the system.

> 4. What range of energy regimes and physical laws are required to produce
> spontaneous order where the order retains the dynamism required for
> life. (e.g. as opposed to producing one big, boring crystal.)

Max Tegmark has published some speculations along these
lines.  He argues that we need to have the 3+1 dimensionality in
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/dimensions.html, and about the strengths
of various physical constants in http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html.
His conclusion is that our universe is quite "special" and that even
small variations would not plausibly produce the balance between order
and chaos that would seem to be necessary for life.

I also find relevance in Stephen Wolfram's work,
http://www.wolframscience.com/, where he runs computer simulations of a
wide variety of different simple computational systems to see which ones
might have a sort of dynamism.  My interepretation is that, depending
on the computational framework, from about one in a million to one in
a hundred randomly selected computational systems appear to allow for
some semblance of structure (i.e. particle-like objects) to exist.
However I suspect that of these, only a small fraction will have the
further properties necessary for life.
>
> 5. Do these "special" energy regimes and physical law sets NECESSARILY
> produce spontaneous order with the required dynamism?

Presumably the question of spontaneous order is a function of the laws
and the initial conditions.  If the IC's are random, then it would
come down to how big the universe is.  If we assume that all possible
universes exist, so that all initial conditions are realized for any
given set of physical laws, then I would say that the answer is yes,
if the laws allow it, order will necessarily arise somewhere among the
universes that follow those laws.

> 6. Why does spontaneous order emerge in these energy/law regimes?

Extending Wolfram's work, it appears to be a property of mathematics
that a substantial fraction of computational systems allow for some
kind of structure.  Let us further suppose that some smaller fraction of
these systems allow for spontaneous order.  Then this is fundamentally
an inherent property of mathematics; not contingent on the properties
of our universe, or any universe.  It is not something that could be
controlled even by God, for He could not have created mathematics to be
different from it is.  It is simply inevitable, that among chaos there
is automatically a subset called order.

> 7. If we were in a "possible world" where thermodynamics ran backwards
> (entropy decreased), would the time-perception of observers within
> that world also run backwards? Would these backwards worlds (as far as
> classical physical observations go, anyway) thus be equivalent to and
> theoretically equatable with the corresponding possible world which was
> the same except that thermodynamics runs forwards as we are used to?

I suppose so, although your question assumes a sort of "absolute time"
relative to which we can say that entropy is decreasing.  It might be
more correct to say that "time" is simply that direction towards which
entropy increases and that there is no inherent arrow of time that we
can compare entropy changes to.

> 8. What is the significance of the fact that observers like ourselves
> (possibly with some notion of free will) are separat

Re: A random collection of questions about info-cosmology

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