Re: Brain-computer interface and quantum robots
On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:38, Brent Meeker wrote: > > ronaldheld wrote: >> arXiv.org/abs/0909.1508 >> I saw the title and thought of what Bruno would make of it. Any >> thoughts? >> > The authors write, "However, recent studies lead to the conclusion > that > the human mind is not a classical computer, and, in general, not > completely reducible to any kind of computer (not even classical) > because of the > non-algorithmic nature of some mental processes." But they give to no > reference to these "recent studies". The paper seems to be about well > known problems in training artificial neural networks and other > artificial learning algorithms. Sure EEG is inadequate to define > "intention", there's just not much information there. I don't see > that > as having any foundational implications. I think so. Yet the authors postulate a wave collapse, and conclude << The previous arguments showed that the quantum approach predicts the possibility of a direct action of mind on matter. >> Just an old idea, it seems to me. See Deutsch and Albert for quantum intospection in Everett and Bohm respectively. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Brain-computer interface and quantum robots
ronaldheld wrote: > arXiv.org/abs/0909.1508 > I saw the title and thought of what Bruno would make of it. Any > thoughts? > The authors write, "However, recent studies lead to the conclusion that the human mind is not a classical computer, and, in general, not completely reducible to any kind of computer (not even classical) because of the non-algorithmic nature of some mental processes." But they give to no reference to these "recent studies". The paper seems to be about well known problems in training artificial neural networks and other artificial learning algorithms. Sure EEG is inadequate to define "intention", there's just not much information there. I don't see that as having any foundational implications. Brent --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Brain-computer interface and quantum robots
I have to agree that I am curious what responses I will get from the
frequent posters.
I see this as someday being able to say,"yes, Doctor".
Ronald
On Sep 10, 9:17 am, John Mikes wrote:
> Ronald.
> I pursue (vaguely) such development and - though have no intention to
> outguess Bruno's opinion - find it a VERY PRACTICAL (may I call it: e-bio)
> line. ("lineS" - plural). Quite amazing results have been so far achieved in
> this IMO totally initial phase. I can't wait how the ultra-theoreticians on
> this list will include such results into 'machine-consciousness' etc.
> ideas.
> John M
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> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, ronaldheld wrote:
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> > arXiv.org/abs/0909.1508
> > I saw the title and thought of what Bruno would make of it. Any
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Re: Brain-computer interface and quantum robots
Ronald.
I pursue (vaguely) such development and - though have no intention to
outguess Bruno's opinion - find it a VERY PRACTICAL (may I call it: e-bio)
line. ("lineS" - plural). Quite amazing results have been so far achieved in
this IMO totally initial phase. I can't wait how the ultra-theoreticians on
this list will include such results into 'machine-consciousness' etc.
ideas.
John M
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, ronaldheld wrote:
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> arXiv.org/abs/0909.1508
> I saw the title and thought of what Bruno would make of it. Any
> thoughts?
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